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Thisrandy andy said:
About standard across the car industry at the moment. 6-9 months for any new car is about average, some are even longer. If you'd tried a year ago there were lead times of over a year for many makes/models.jamiebcool said:I ordered an Ioniq 5 back in March. Was a tough choice between that and a Model 3, but was sold on the size and looks in the end. Lead times are a joke though as delivery not expected till late December!
I ordered a new car in October 2021 and it’s being delivered this Thursday.0 -
I have had just a had a disastrous e-car experience which has put me off for life.
Had a (second-hand) Renault ZOE delivered by Cazoo and noticed it was only 77% charged. Delivery bloke was ultra-charming and assured me this was normal- so having to collect Mrs G from hospital later that day I put it on home charge via normal 3 pin plus domestic adaptor.
Two hours later it was still at 77% charge so I did not have quite enough range to reach hospital and back to collect Mrs G. after her hip replacement operation. With panic setting in, I called Cazoo for technical support. That was a waste of time. Very charming as usual but bugger all actual help as usual. Has anyone else dealt with Cazoo by the way? Quite the most useless organisation since BT - unless you enjoy having multiple conversations with lovely young people with delightful exotic names who know absolutely nothing about cars, what day it is or what planet they are occupying.
With the clock ticking I drove to my nearest rapid charge point and that was broken.
Called a mate with a proper rapid home charging set up. (Now at 56% by the way) and we spent two hours fiddling with his special charging app, wiggling the connect connections and watching Youtube videos about non-charging electric cars. Nothing.
It was jubilee week-end so the only hire car I could locate at short notice was a clapped out Citroen Belingo diesel bloody van. Not very environmentally friendly and pretty uncomfortable for a woman post hip surgery but at least it got me to the hospital and home again.
I was actually quite positive about electric vehicles prior to that farce. Now I think that unless you have two cars or live in a country with viable public transport (ie not the UK) I can't see it as feasible. I can only assume the piss-poor infrastructure and dodgy technology is deliberately rigged to drive people back to fossil fuel vehicles and keep BP and the government in business.
Rant over. Thank you for listening.
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Sounds to me that the whole sorry saga made you grumpygrumpyaddick said:
I have had just a had a disastrous e-car experience which has put me off for life.
Had a (second-hand) Renault ZOE delivered by Cazoo and noticed it was only 77% charged. Delivery bloke was ultra-charming and assured me this was normal- so having to collect Mrs G from hospital later that day I put it on home charge via normal 3 pin plus domestic adaptor.
Two hours later it was still at 77% charge so I did not have quite enough range to reach hospital and back to collect Mrs G. after her hip replacement operation. With panic setting in, I called Cazoo for technical support. That was a waste of time. Very charming as usual but bugger all actual help as usual. Has anyone else dealt with Cazoo by the way? Quite the most useless organisation since BT - unless you enjoy having multiple conversations with lovely young people with delightful exotic names who know absolutely nothing about cars, what day it is or what planet they are occupying.
With the clock ticking I drove to my nearest rapid charge point and that was broken.
Called a mate with a proper rapid home charging set up. (Now at 56% by the way) and we spent two hours fiddling with his special charging app, wiggling the connect connections and watching Youtube videos about non-charging electric cars. Nothing.
It was jubilee week-end so the only hire car I could locate at short notice was a clapped out Citroen Belingo diesel bloody van. Not very environmentally friendly and pretty uncomfortable for a woman post hip surgery but at least it got me to the hospital and home again.
I was actually quite positive about electric vehicles prior to that farce. Now I think that unless you have two cars or live in a country with viable public transport (ie not the UK) I can't see it as feasible. I can only assume the piss-poor infrastructure and dodgy technology is deliberately rigged to drive people back to fossil fuel vehicles and keep BP and the government in business.
Rant over. Thank you for listening.1 -
Is this an e-car experience, or an "I bought a lemon" experience. The fact the car is electric is secondary to the fact Cazoo sold you a non-functioning car. Of course the actual issue was electricity related, but if Cazoo are selling electric cars that won't charge, they could just as well be selling petrol cars that don't start, or diesel cars with blown turbos.grumpyaddick said:
I have had just a had a disastrous e-car experience which has put me off for life.
Had a (second-hand) Renault ZOE delivered by Cazoo and noticed it was only 77% charged. Delivery bloke was ultra-charming and assured me this was normal- so having to collect Mrs G from hospital later that day I put it on home charge via normal 3 pin plus domestic adaptor.
Two hours later it was still at 77% charge so I did not have quite enough range to reach hospital and back to collect Mrs G. after her hip replacement operation. With panic setting in, I called Cazoo for technical support. That was a waste of time. Very charming as usual but bugger all actual help as usual. Has anyone else dealt with Cazoo by the way? Quite the most useless organisation since BT - unless you enjoy having multiple conversations with lovely young people with delightful exotic names who know absolutely nothing about cars, what day it is or what planet they are occupying.
With the clock ticking I drove to my nearest rapid charge point and that was broken.
Called a mate with a proper rapid home charging set up. (Now at 56% by the way) and we spent two hours fiddling with his special charging app, wiggling the connect connections and watching Youtube videos about non-charging electric cars. Nothing.
It was jubilee week-end so the only hire car I could locate at short notice was a clapped out Citroen Belingo diesel bloody van. Not very environmentally friendly and pretty uncomfortable for a woman post hip surgery but at least it got me to the hospital and home again.
I was actually quite positive about electric vehicles prior to that farce. Now I think that unless you have two cars or live in a country with viable public transport (ie not the UK) I can't see it as feasible. I can only assume the piss-poor infrastructure and dodgy technology is deliberately rigged to drive people back to fossil fuel vehicles and keep BP and the government in business.
Rant over. Thank you for listening.2 -
You get the option to send it back don't you? I would do that. Right now.grumpyaddick said:
I have had just a had a disastrous e-car experience which has put me off for life.
Had a (second-hand) Renault ZOE delivered by Cazoo and noticed it was only 77% charged. Delivery bloke was ultra-charming and assured me this was normal- so having to collect Mrs G from hospital later that day I put it on home charge via normal 3 pin plus domestic adaptor.
Two hours later it was still at 77% charge so I did not have quite enough range to reach hospital and back to collect Mrs G. after her hip replacement operation. With panic setting in, I called Cazoo for technical support. That was a waste of time. Very charming as usual but bugger all actual help as usual. Has anyone else dealt with Cazoo by the way? Quite the most useless organisation since BT - unless you enjoy having multiple conversations with lovely young people with delightful exotic names who know absolutely nothing about cars, what day it is or what planet they are occupying.
With the clock ticking I drove to my nearest rapid charge point and that was broken.
Called a mate with a proper rapid home charging set up. (Now at 56% by the way) and we spent two hours fiddling with his special charging app, wiggling the connect connections and watching Youtube videos about non-charging electric cars. Nothing.
It was jubilee week-end so the only hire car I could locate at short notice was a clapped out Citroen Belingo diesel bloody van. Not very environmentally friendly and pretty uncomfortable for a woman post hip surgery but at least it got me to the hospital and home again.
I was actually quite positive about electric vehicles prior to that farce. Now I think that unless you have two cars or live in a country with viable public transport (ie not the UK) I can't see it as feasible. I can only assume the piss-poor infrastructure and dodgy technology is deliberately rigged to drive people back to fossil fuel vehicles and keep BP and the government in business.
Rant over. Thank you for listening.
Why? Well apart from the fact that it's obviously faulty, it's French, which tells you nearly everything you need to know; Renault comes 30th out of 31 for manufacturer reliability in a What Car survey; and the Zoe manages an ultimately heroic ZERO stars out of 5 under the NCAP safety rating. Only Renault would even think of trying to palm off a zero safety rating car in this day and age. Get rid straight away.3 -
My ioniq 5 was ordered back in Oct and delivered at beginning of June. So far, really impressed. Full charge at home is around 18.00 for 240 ish miles.
Wife has taken it to Manchester and back. She had a bit of range anxiety, so kept stopping to keep it topped up. It's a mindset change. The real issues areThe lack of super rapid chargers on the motorway
The plethora of payment methods (I've signed up to 4 already) as discussed by others, contactless should be mandatory
The poor integration of charging points with Google maps and/or the Hyundai built in navigation. Have tried three charging map apps, but so far ABRP seems to be the one that gives you a route that optimises charging times against the cars specific capabilities combined with the route and charger stations capacity.
Planning to travel to Alps later this year, so looking to see how good the journey is.
Leased my car through work for 3 years as I think the technology will evolve quickly and expect the ioniq to be old hat by then.1 -
Got a Tesla Model Y, had it three months and we are so impressed with it. The tech is superb and the drive unreal. We have just hit 5k miles and loved every journey so far. We have a Hypervolt home charger and get free charging at the wife's work place, so that provides enough battery to go where we need. Been up to Liverpool recently via the Tesla Super charger network and it was a breeze. Initial outlay is the blocker for most and once car manufacturers can make the technology cheaper then it will be the answer.
Impressed with the Tesla we have three daughters aged 2-11 and plenty of room for all of us and a huge boot and ample storage space in the bonnet area too.1 -
It was a rubbish car but looked nice on their website. Thanks for your concern but don't worry. The car was swapped (for a petrol model) free of charge with fuel, I did not pay for delivery of either vehicle, they paid for a complimentary hire car while I waited and I paid nothing until the replacement was on the drive.cafcfan said:
You get the option to send it back don't you? I would do that. Right now.grumpyaddick said:
I have had just a had a disastrous e-car experience which has put me off for life.
Had a (second-hand) Renault ZOE delivered by Cazoo and noticed it was only 77% charged. Delivery bloke was ultra-charming and assured me this was normal- so having to collect Mrs G from hospital later that day I put it on home charge via normal 3 pin plus domestic adaptor.
Two hours later it was still at 77% charge so I did not have quite enough range to reach hospital and back to collect Mrs G. after her hip replacement operation. With panic setting in, I called Cazoo for technical support. That was a waste of time. Very charming as usual but bugger all actual help as usual. Has anyone else dealt with Cazoo by the way? Quite the most useless organisation since BT - unless you enjoy having multiple conversations with lovely young people with delightful exotic names who know absolutely nothing about cars, what day it is or what planet they are occupying.
With the clock ticking I drove to my nearest rapid charge point and that was broken.
Called a mate with a proper rapid home charging set up. (Now at 56% by the way) and we spent two hours fiddling with his special charging app, wiggling the connect connections and watching Youtube videos about non-charging electric cars. Nothing.
It was jubilee week-end so the only hire car I could locate at short notice was a clapped out Citroen Belingo diesel bloody van. Not very environmentally friendly and pretty uncomfortable for a woman post hip surgery but at least it got me to the hospital and home again.
I was actually quite positive about electric vehicles prior to that farce. Now I think that unless you have two cars or live in a country with viable public transport (ie not the UK) I can't see it as feasible. I can only assume the piss-poor infrastructure and dodgy technology is deliberately rigged to drive people back to fossil fuel vehicles and keep BP and the government in business.
Rant over. Thank you for listening.
Why? Well apart from the fact that it's obviously faulty, it's French, which tells you nearly everything you need to know; Renault comes 30th out of 31 for manufacturer reliability in a What Car survey; and the Zoe manages an ultimately heroic ZERO stars out of 5 under the NCAP safety rating. Only Renault would even think of trying to palm off a zero safety rating car in this day and age. Get rid straight away.
As you might have guessed, I was quite grumpy.
Mrs G is recovering from the hip op nicely too so all good until the football season starts.3 -
What position does she play?grumpyaddick said:
It was a rubbish car but looked nice on their website. Thanks for your concern but don't worry. The car was swapped (for a petrol model) free of charge with fuel, I did not pay for delivery of either vehicle, they paid for a complimentary hire car while I waited and I paid nothing until the replacement was on the drive.cafcfan said:
You get the option to send it back don't you? I would do that. Right now.grumpyaddick said:
I have had just a had a disastrous e-car experience which has put me off for life.
Had a (second-hand) Renault ZOE delivered by Cazoo and noticed it was only 77% charged. Delivery bloke was ultra-charming and assured me this was normal- so having to collect Mrs G from hospital later that day I put it on home charge via normal 3 pin plus domestic adaptor.
Two hours later it was still at 77% charge so I did not have quite enough range to reach hospital and back to collect Mrs G. after her hip replacement operation. With panic setting in, I called Cazoo for technical support. That was a waste of time. Very charming as usual but bugger all actual help as usual. Has anyone else dealt with Cazoo by the way? Quite the most useless organisation since BT - unless you enjoy having multiple conversations with lovely young people with delightful exotic names who know absolutely nothing about cars, what day it is or what planet they are occupying.
With the clock ticking I drove to my nearest rapid charge point and that was broken.
Called a mate with a proper rapid home charging set up. (Now at 56% by the way) and we spent two hours fiddling with his special charging app, wiggling the connect connections and watching Youtube videos about non-charging electric cars. Nothing.
It was jubilee week-end so the only hire car I could locate at short notice was a clapped out Citroen Belingo diesel bloody van. Not very environmentally friendly and pretty uncomfortable for a woman post hip surgery but at least it got me to the hospital and home again.
I was actually quite positive about electric vehicles prior to that farce. Now I think that unless you have two cars or live in a country with viable public transport (ie not the UK) I can't see it as feasible. I can only assume the piss-poor infrastructure and dodgy technology is deliberately rigged to drive people back to fossil fuel vehicles and keep BP and the government in business.
Rant over. Thank you for listening.
Why? Well apart from the fact that it's obviously faulty, it's French, which tells you nearly everything you need to know; Renault comes 30th out of 31 for manufacturer reliability in a What Car survey; and the Zoe manages an ultimately heroic ZERO stars out of 5 under the NCAP safety rating. Only Renault would even think of trying to palm off a zero safety rating car in this day and age. Get rid straight away.
As you might have guessed, I was quite grumpy.
Mrs G is recovering from the hip op nicely too so all good until the football season starts.6 -
There is an elephant in the room with electric vehicles today. We say they are zero emission vehicles because we measure what they emit but that is a ridiculous method. We should measure how much greenhouse gasses are needed for an electric car over its life against a conventional car.
The issue is, what we should measure is how the electricity used to charge the car is obtained. Also the production of the batteries. Now if we get our elctricity from sustainables, the electric car is better. But we don't and certainly the world doesn't. I have seen calculations that suggest as we are now, actually an electric car produces more Co2 over its life, including its manufacture. of course the time will come, hopefully, when we generate far more of our power from renewables and then the advantages become clear but we are measuring electric cars as zero emissions and this is not relevant as it stands.0 -
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Most EVs are carbon neutral around 5k miles, and then positive after that, even on grids which aren’t as renewable heavy as the UK2
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I have an EV6 coming on Monday for a weeks trial. Looking forward to seeing what the realtime range is. If it is anywhere near the stated range I will be ordering. Anyone else got any experience with this model ?0
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What I am saying is surely a EV which requires greenhouse gasses to produce, should not be measured solely on what it emits. A conventional car emits Co2 but if the electricity powering the car is not renewable, there is a Co2 cost. Then you have battery production and battery disposal. All costs that are ignored in the headline figures. What is required is a Co2 cost over different mileage ranges. Then we can do real comparrisons.
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Rothko just said, after 5,000 miles you are in creditMuttleyCAFC said:What I am saying is surely a EV which requires greenhouse gasses to produce, should not be measured solely on what it emits. A conventional car emits Co2 but if the electricity powering the car is not renewable, there is a Co2 cost. Then you have battery production and battery disposal. All costs that are ignored in the headline figures. What is required is a Co2 cost over different mileage ranges. Then we can do real comparrisons.1 -
BTW, I am not suggesting that electric cars are not the future, but the way we measure them is important and we need to get that right. They have a Co2 cost and that will come down but that has to be the metric surely.0
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The major issue with EV is the lack off infrastructure and the ability of the grid to cope. Added to that is if you live somewhere where you do not have the ability to have you own charging station it isnt practical. I'm looking at EV mainly due to running costs from a business point of view. The cost of fuel has added significant costs to my business and if we can replace diesel vehicles with EV the costs reduce significantly0
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Has Rothko factored in everything? All I am saying is emissions are irrelevant on their own and if we don't measure this correctly we could miss out on better alternatives overall like say hydrogen or hybrid. Not saying they are better but how you measure is important.MrOneLung said:
Rothko just said, after 5,000 miles you are in creditMuttleyCAFC said:What I am saying is surely a EV which requires greenhouse gasses to produce, should not be measured solely on what it emits. A conventional car emits Co2 but if the electricity powering the car is not renewable, there is a Co2 cost. Then you have battery production and battery disposal. All costs that are ignored in the headline figures. What is required is a Co2 cost over different mileage ranges. Then we can do real comparrisons.0 -
My new fully EV Kona Arrives in a couple of weeks. Very much looking forward to the experience
im doing a salary sacrifice lease £348 a month covering insurance , tyres , breakdown cover and free home charger fitted1 -
My new fully EV Kona Arrives in a couple of weeks. Very much looking forward to the experience
im doing a salary sacrifice lease £348 a month covering insurance , tyres , breakdown cover and free home charger fitted0 -
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I’ve got a little van for my mountain bikes and fishing but I’ll use the EV For everything else
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Still waiting for delivery date of our MG. Hopefully towards end of September.0
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One year now and very happy with our VW ID3; we use it for 95% of our driving.
Want to get an off-peak electricity deal, i.e. move to Octopus. Has anyone made that transition recently?0 -
Moved to octopus go back in October 21Oliver Street said:One year now and very happy with our VW ID3; we use it for 95% of our driving.
Want to get an off-peak electricity deal, i.e. move to Octopus. Has anyone made that transition recently?0 -
Are you likely to be doing any long journeys in it? If you do would love to know what the real world range is fully loaded. If I can get 250 odd miles from a car that size with my wife and kids and all the shit things they take when going away it becomes doable for me as a main car.holyjo said:My new fully EV Kona Arrives in a couple of weeks. Very much looking forward to the experience
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I understand from various reviews that real life miles is around 270 per charge. A full charge on the most powerful chargers is about 45 mins. A coffee or lunch. I do few journeys of 540 miles plus to be fairGary Poole said:
Are you likely to be doing any long journeys in it? If you do would love to know what the real world range is fully loaded. If I can get 250 odd miles from a car that size with my wife and kids and all the shit things they take when going away it becomes doable for me as a main car.holyjo said:My new fully EV Kona Arrives in a couple of weeks. Very much looking forward to the experience
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Or leave them behind.Gary Poole said:
Are you likely to be doing any long journeys in it? If you do would love to know what the real world range is fully loaded. If I can get 250 odd miles from a car that size with my wife and kids and all the shit things they take when going away it becomes doable for me as a main car.holyjo said:My new fully EV Kona Arrives in a couple of weeks. Very much looking forward to the experience
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I have ordered a Skoda Enyaq as my new company car 4 weeks ago, just another 10 months to wait.
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Out of interest ORH, in your experience do the off-peak savings exceed the higher peak-time charges?O-Randy-Hunt said:
Moved to octopus go back in October 21Oliver Street said:One year now and very happy with our VW ID3; we use it for 95% of our driving.
Want to get an off-peak electricity deal, i.e. move to Octopus. Has anyone made that transition recently?0 -
I wish I could answer this mate but I leave all that to the Mrs 🤣 I'll never see our leccy bill. The only reason I moved to octopus go was because I charge the car 5 or 6 times a week for work costing me £1.20 off peak. We tend to chuck the washing machine on during the night too.Oliver Street said:
Out of interest ORH, in your experience do the off-peak savings exceed the higher peak-time charges?O-Randy-Hunt said:
Moved to octopus go back in October 21Oliver Street said:One year now and very happy with our VW ID3; we use it for 95% of our driving.
Want to get an off-peak electricity deal, i.e. move to Octopus. Has anyone made that transition recently?0
