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Charlton v QPR - Goal assist

lancashire lad
lancashire lad Posts: 15,628
in General Charlton
Which of our players glanced the ball back to Henry, I think it was Ness but I'don't know what he looks like, his shirt number looked like 24 to me but we didn't have 24 but Ness was 34.

Answers please

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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,770
    Ness headed it into the back of a QPR player and the ball popped up for Henry from there. Couple of different angles below confirm the number 34.
  • Off_it
    Off_it Posts: 28,859
    Oh come on, that's not an assist!
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Wouldn’t have scored without him winning that header. But technically probably won’t count as an assist. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,860
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62387895

    The BBC report doesn't credit anyone with the assist
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,170
    Off_it said:
    Oh come on, that's not an assist!
    I think it's sometime unfair that the last player to touch the ball is the only one to get an "assist" - you could get a player dribble 60 yards, beating 5 players, pass it to someone who lays it off 5 yards sideways to the player who then scores the goal and the dribbler gets no credit.

    But yeah, no way you can give Ness an assist for that.

    Back in the day no one knew what an assist was anyway, or at least no one tracked how many a plyer got.
  • stackitsteve
    stackitsteve Posts: 12,105
    Exiled_Addick said:
    Off_it said:
    Oh come on, that's not an assist!
    I think it's sometime unfair that the last player to touch the ball is the only one to get an "assist" - you could get a player dribble 60 yards, beating 5 players, pass it to someone who lays it off 5 yards sideways to the player who then scores the goal and the dribbler gets no credit.

    But yeah, no way you can give Ness an assist for that.

    Back in the day no one knew what an assist was anyway, or at least no one tracked how many a plyer got.
    The “pre-assist” is often overlooked. 
    However it is becoming more common to see them tracked and recorded like an assist, more so in Europe than here. 
    I find La Liga podcasts and articles often mention them more than many others so it’s more common in Spain.

    Modric is an example of a player who often has low assist numbers (or lower than you’d expect for a player with his passing ability) but in many seasons his pre-assist numbers are double his actual assists. 
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,527
    I know it’s not how it works but I’d give Leaburn the assist for winning the corner.
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,230
    Ness was the last Charlton player to play the ball before Henry's shot
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,382
    Weegie Addick said:
    I know it’s not how it works but I’d give Leaburn the assist for winning the corner.
    The pre-pre assist.
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    It was a strike from a clearance, rather than from a clear assist for me.
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  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    mendonca said:
    It was a strike from a clearance, rather than from a clear assist for me.
    I thought you retired years ago Clive.
  • RedChaser
    RedChaser Posts: 19,885
    edited August 2022
    mendonca said:
    It was a strike from a clearance, rather than from a clear assist for me.
    I don’t think their defender knew much about it to call it a clearance because it came at him quite quickly from Ness’ header, fell conveniently to Henry whose technique in getting the shot off was excellent.
  • lancashire lad
    lancashire lad Posts: 15,628
    I have always been lenient with assists, it might not be official but it is a LL assist
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,345
    edited August 2022
    Weegie Addick said:
    I know it’s not how it works but I’d give Leaburn the assist for winning the corner.
    So Leaburn gets an assist for winning the corner, Morgan gets an assist for putting in a great ball, Ness gets an assist for his header.

    FWIW I think Ness gets the assist. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,860
    In Fantasy Football I think the ruling is that if the defender significantly changes the direction of the ball - which was the case here - it's not an assist.
  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,345
    killerandflash said:
    In Fantasy Football I think the ruling is that if the defender significantly changes the direction of the ball - which was the case here - it's not an assist.
    But as LL says he has more relaxed rules. 
  • mendonca
    mendonca Posts: 9,405
    Maybe you mean "key contribution". 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,279
    Ness saw the angle and it was a perfectly placed header into the defenders back to allow the ball to drop perfectly to Henry who only had to knock it in to a wide gaping goal.  All about Ness for me.
  • Briston_Addick
    Briston_Addick Posts: 11,702
    Expect to see a new category of stat in the not-too-distant future: goal involvement.

    'Goal assist' will be for whoever lays on the final ball for the goalscorer whereas 'goal involvement' will be for those who had a contribution in the move that lead to the goal, thus recognising those who may have done the donkey work but then someone else grabs the stats glory.

    You could then have situations where there's an assist but not an involvement (e.g. long ball out from 'keeper, received by striker, goes on to score on his own) or there's an involvement but not an assist (last night's goal with Ness's header being diverted by a defender).

    Of course, that would then lead to arguments as to how far back in a move you go to award an 'involvement' stat and would you get a stat credit for making a lovely run that pulled a defender out of position to create the space for the goalscorer, something that you could say was the most important part of the whole move?
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,349
    edited August 2022
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