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Jesurun Rak-Sakyi - 2023-4 season progress.
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Can see ‘we’ve got them on the rak’ coming into use this season - hopefully0
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Think Garner would lose a little credibility with the rest of the squad by putting him straight into the first team. Suspect we’ll see him off the bench for the first couple of games and give him the chance to earn that spot as well as learn how BG wants him to play.Callumcafc said:He played 90 minutes for their U21s on Monday, providing an assist.
So he’s match fit. Not impossible that he gets at least 30 minutes at Hillsborough. Not expecting him to start until Garner feels confident that he understands what he’s looking for from his wide forwards.
I wouldn’t be happy as a full back having had to deal with CBT for 65/70 mins to see him come on.Excellent looking signing. 👍 Just two more in please TS, everyone knows where they play.0 -
‘Rak attack, attack, attack, attack’ ??0
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https://youtu.be/oaXirdlSGnw
Nice assist for first goal on 0.25secs of video.
If all clicks we might see improvements in DJ and CBT in terms of productivity and directness.0 -
I think the formation and options in that formation are pretty much settled now. Stockley and whoever is left and right of him need to provide assist and goals, look at England with this formation with Mount, Kane and Sterling and the criticism there is the lack of goals. In terms of further additions, if JFC and Gilbey move on then I'd like to see another midfielder, what worries me is if we get an injury to either Stockley or Innis, the latter being more than likely.0
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I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s left out the squad this weekend with the reason given that he’s not trained with us for long.
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Yeah but England play with 2 holding central midfielders.Bailey said:I think the formation and options in that formation are pretty much settled now. Stockley and whoever is left and right of him need to provide assist and goals, look at England with this formation with Mount, Kane and Sterling and the criticism there is the lack of goals. In terms of further additions, if JFC and Gilbey move on then I'd like to see another midfielder, what worries me is if we get an injury to either Stockley or Innis, the latter being more than likely.0 -
Been saying it for a while. Palace are exactly the sort of club that Charlton need to build a relationship with. They are established Premier League. Have a very good record of bringing through youth and are local. It’s good that TS has a relationship with Steve Parrish. Hurts to say it but they are light years ahead of us and we need to be realistic and get their youngsters in when it’s a help to us. I think in the last couple of seasons we’ve not used the loan system particularly well and several of the London clubs we’ve taken players from are probably thinking twice about loaning us more. Let’s not alienate Palace too.
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Well you wanted to know where the goals are coming from. Has this signing begun to help you understand?golfaddick said:2 homes games next week. Hopefully we'll get to see him in action. I don't expect him to start just yet but when he does will he be on the left or right ? CBT is more natural on the left so I would like to think JRS replaces DJ on the right.
It seems that we might now have too many attacking midfielders.4 -
Galling but true.ShootersHillGuru said:Been saying it for a while. Palace are exactly the sort of club that Charlton need to build a relationship with. They are established Premier League. Have a very good record of bringing through youth and are local. It’s good that TS has a relationship with Steve Parrish. Hurts to say it but they are light years ahead of us and we need to be realistic and get their youngsters in when it’s a help to us. I think in the last couple of seasons we’ve not used the loan system particularly well and several of the London clubs we’ve taken players from are probably thinking twice about loaning us more. Let’s not alienate Palace too.3 -
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And Garner is exactly the man to develop such a relationship. When we've closed the gap a bit we can reconsider. Never gonna be Millwall's little helper though, gotta draw the line6
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Which is why we’re after two more signings. Only question mark is if one is a left back, but I think Clayden will be the back up.Bailey said:I think the formation and options in that formation are pretty much settled now. Stockley and whoever is left and right of him need to provide assist and goals, look at England with this formation with Mount, Kane and Sterling and the criticism there is the lack of goals. In terms of further additions, if JFC and Gilbey move on then I'd like to see another midfielder, what worries me is if we get an injury to either Stockley or Innis, the latter being more than likely.0 -
Agree with this, as upsetting as it is.ShootersHillGuru said:Been saying it for a while. Palace are exactly the sort of club that Charlton need to build a relationship with. They are established Premier League. Have a very good record of bringing through youth and are local. It’s good that TS has a relationship with Steve Parrish. Hurts to say it but they are light years ahead of us and we need to be realistic and get their youngsters in when it’s a help to us. I think in the last couple of seasons we’ve not used the loan system particularly well and several of the London clubs we’ve taken players from are probably thinking twice about loaning us more. Let’s not alienate Palace too.However, didn’t our u21’s just thrash them in a pre season friendly? Let’s not forget how good some of our youngsters seem to be.JRS does seem to be a clear talent though.3 -
I personally am thinking that we'd be looking at a CB who could do a job at LB if needed but not necessarily as their main role. Somewhat similar to the experiment with Ness on the right in the cup, though hopefully more experienced/successful than that turned out to be.Scoham said:
Which is why we’re after two more signings. Only question mark is if one is a left back, but I think Clayden will be the back up.Bailey said:I think the formation and options in that formation are pretty much settled now. Stockley and whoever is left and right of him need to provide assist and goals, look at England with this formation with Mount, Kane and Sterling and the criticism there is the lack of goals. In terms of further additions, if JFC and Gilbey move on then I'd like to see another midfielder, what worries me is if we get an injury to either Stockley or Innis, the latter being more than likely.0 -
Tobi Omole could have been a decent signing to fit that criteriathenewbie said:
I personally am thinking that we'd be looking at a CB who could do a job at LB if needed but not necessarily as their main role. Somewhat similar to the experiment with Ness on the right in the cup, though hopefully more experienced/successful than that turned out to be.Scoham said:
Which is why we’re after two more signings. Only question mark is if one is a left back, but I think Clayden will be the back up.Bailey said:I think the formation and options in that formation are pretty much settled now. Stockley and whoever is left and right of him need to provide assist and goals, look at England with this formation with Mount, Kane and Sterling and the criticism there is the lack of goals. In terms of further additions, if JFC and Gilbey move on then I'd like to see another midfielder, what worries me is if we get an injury to either Stockley or Innis, the latter being more than likely.0 -
He joined Crawley earlier in the window.cafcfan1990 said:
Tobi Omole could have been a decent signing to fit that criteriathenewbie said:
I personally am thinking that we'd be looking at a CB who could do a job at LB if needed but not necessarily as their main role. Somewhat similar to the experiment with Ness on the right in the cup, though hopefully more experienced/successful than that turned out to be.Scoham said:
Which is why we’re after two more signings. Only question mark is if one is a left back, but I think Clayden will be the back up.Bailey said:I think the formation and options in that formation are pretty much settled now. Stockley and whoever is left and right of him need to provide assist and goals, look at England with this formation with Mount, Kane and Sterling and the criticism there is the lack of goals. In terms of further additions, if JFC and Gilbey move on then I'd like to see another midfielder, what worries me is if we get an injury to either Stockley or Innis, the latter being more than likely.0 -
Don't worry, it'll be sung so fast you won't even realise it's 50 versescharltonbob said:
Could be a verse too many for the Covered EndRodneyCharltonTrotta said:From the Crystals so quite fitting I think...We signed him on a Thursday and my heart stood stillJesu run run runJesu run runSomebody told me he f**kin' loves bovrilJesu run run runJesu run runYes, my heart stood stillYes, he f**kin' loves bovrilAnd when he plays at homeJesu run run runJesu run runHe knew what he was doin' when he caught my eyeJesu run run runJesu run runHe looked so quiet but my, oh, myJesu run run runJesu run runYes, he caught my eyeYes, oh my, oh myAnd when he plays at homeJesu run run runJesu run runJesu run run runJesu run runJesu run run runJesu run runTurned up at SE7 and he plays so fineJesu run run runJesu run runSomeday soon he’s gonna make us shineJesu run run runJesu run runYes, he played so fineYes, he'll make us shineAnd when he plays at homeJesu run run runJesu run runJesu run run runJesu run run
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I refuse to except any of that statement even if it parts may be true.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Galling but true.ShootersHillGuru said:Been saying it for a while. Palace are exactly the sort of club that Charlton need to build a relationship with. They are established Premier League. Have a very good record of bringing through youth and are local. It’s good that TS has a relationship with Steve Parrish. Hurts to say it but they are light years ahead of us and we need to be realistic and get their youngsters in when it’s a help to us. I think in the last couple of seasons we’ve not used the loan system particularly well and several of the London clubs we’ve taken players from are probably thinking twice about loaning us more. Let’s not alienate Palace too.
I prefer to think they and us are potentially one season apart. I wouldn't want us to build a relationship with any club, it never works out well for the feeder which would most likely be us. Absolute bollocks to any ties to that club, I remember well the last time we thought it was a good idea to get involved with them. It took years to unwind that and here we are again.
Ral-Sakyi may well have potential but we are all born with potential, I seriously doubt he is any different to any of the countless youngsters who have been hoovered up by premiership clubs and then loaned out down the league pyramid. The only reason he is here is for Palaces long term potential benefit.5 -
... and to get us promoted. Which is the main thing.charltonkeston said:
I refuse to except any of that statement even if it parts may be true.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Galling but true.ShootersHillGuru said:Been saying it for a while. Palace are exactly the sort of club that Charlton need to build a relationship with. They are established Premier League. Have a very good record of bringing through youth and are local. It’s good that TS has a relationship with Steve Parrish. Hurts to say it but they are light years ahead of us and we need to be realistic and get their youngsters in when it’s a help to us. I think in the last couple of seasons we’ve not used the loan system particularly well and several of the London clubs we’ve taken players from are probably thinking twice about loaning us more. Let’s not alienate Palace too.
I prefer to think they and us are potentially one season apart. I wouldn't want us to build a relationship with any club, it never works out well for the feeder which would most likely be us. Absolute bollocks to any ties to that club, I remember well the last time we thought it was a good idea to get involved with them. It took years to unwind that and here we are again.
Ral-Sakyi may well have potential but we are all born with potential, I seriously doubt he is any different to any of the countless youngsters who have been hoovered up by premiership clubs and then loaned out down the league pyramid. The only reason he is here is for Palaces long term potential benefit.
But agree with a lot of your sentiment, once in the Championship this will be less of a necessary evil. We have to get there first though. Palace have unfortunately been well managed in the last decade and despite the opening day defeat look nowhere near relegation material to me.2 -
The Nile John situation still rankles. Considering how bang average we were during the the last few months, was he SO bad that Jacko couldn't even bring him on from the bench a couple of times?ShootersHillGuru said:Been saying it for a while. Palace are exactly the sort of club that Charlton need to build a relationship with. They are established Premier League. Have a very good record of bringing through youth and are local. It’s good that TS has a relationship with Steve Parrish. Hurts to say it but they are light years ahead of us and we need to be realistic and get their youngsters in when it’s a help to us. I think in the last couple of seasons we’ve not used the loan system particularly well and several of the London clubs we’ve taken players from are probably thinking twice about loaning us more. Let’s not alienate Palace too.
I simply don't believe that Chris Powell would send us a player who wasn't up to L1 football.5 -
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Who’s talking about feeder club ? It’s about having a good working relationship with a club that might be able to offer us loans. That’s a mutual benefit. Technically we are one season apart but in reality Palace are way way ahead of us.charltonkeston said:
I refuse to except any of that statement even if it parts may be true.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Galling but true.ShootersHillGuru said:Been saying it for a while. Palace are exactly the sort of club that Charlton need to build a relationship with. They are established Premier League. Have a very good record of bringing through youth and are local. It’s good that TS has a relationship with Steve Parrish. Hurts to say it but they are light years ahead of us and we need to be realistic and get their youngsters in when it’s a help to us. I think in the last couple of seasons we’ve not used the loan system particularly well and several of the London clubs we’ve taken players from are probably thinking twice about loaning us more. Let’s not alienate Palace too.
I prefer to think they and us are potentially one season apart. I wouldn't want us to build a relationship with any club, it never works out well for the feeder which would most likely be us. Absolute bollocks to any ties to that club, I remember well the last time we thought it was a good idea to get involved with them. It took years to unwind that and here we are again.
Ral-Sakyi may well have potential but we are all born with potential, I seriously doubt he is any different to any of the countless youngsters who have been hoovered up by premiership clubs and then loaned out down the league pyramid. The only reason he is here is for Palaces long term potential benefit.1 -
Could anyone explain what sort of level PL2 is?0
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I truly don't care if we borrow Palace's best young players from them. Unless we're in the same division as them what they do doesn't affect us apart from what they do with the loans. If there's a good player we can use and Palace know we'll give them a good season then we only benefit. If we decide we don't borrow from rivals then not only do we not see any benefit, those players go somewhere else and strengthen our rivals. I'd rather have some 18 year old kid scoring goals for us than against us no matter who their parent club is.
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Sadly, I largely agree (but only for the moment!)ShootersHillGuru said:Been saying it for a while. Palace are exactly the sort of club that Charlton need to build a relationship with. They are established Premier League. Have a very good record of bringing through youth and are local. It’s good that TS has a relationship with Steve Parrish. Hurts to say it but they are light years ahead of us and we need to be realistic and get their youngsters in when it’s a help to us. I think in the last couple of seasons we’ve not used the loan system particularly well and several of the London clubs we’ve taken players from are probably thinking twice about loaning us more. Let’s not alienate Palace too.
But which London clubs have we upset? Tottenham possibly over the Nile John situation but we've been good for Chelsea, Arsenal and West ham over recent years.
Even Tottenham I'm sure would soon "forgive" us if they saw a deal which was beneficial to both parties.1 -
Read this again and it sounds more aggressive than intended. I meant more does this make you feel more positive now.Redrobo said:
Well you wanted to know where the goals are coming from. Has this signing begun to help you understand?golfaddick said:2 homes games next week. Hopefully we'll get to see him in action. I don't expect him to start just yet but when he does will he be on the left or right ? CBT is more natural on the left so I would like to think JRS replaces DJ on the right.
It seems that we might now have too many attacking midfielders.0 -
Palace U21s are basically two Leagues above us... But we cant get promoted to Division 2 until we're Cat.1felix_31 said:Could anyone explain what sort of level PL2 is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022–23_Professional_U21_Development_League
They finished 8th last season, which wasn't bad considering that Chelsea just about avoided relegation from Division One
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021–22_Professional_U23_Development_League
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i can see dobbo and mgrandles playing as 2 holding midfielders - would make sense if ourt fuill backs are going to be rampaging - allows fraser or payne (or morgan if he maintains form) to sit in the holebalham red said:
Yeah but England play with 2 holding central midfielders.Bailey said:I think the formation and options in that formation are pretty much settled now. Stockley and whoever is left and right of him need to provide assist and goals, look at England with this formation with Mount, Kane and Sterling and the criticism there is the lack of goals. In terms of further additions, if JFC and Gilbey move on then I'd like to see another midfielder, what worries me is if we get an injury to either Stockley or Innis, the latter being more than likely.1 -
Often when we get a skilful player on the ball in on loan, they try to do to much themselves and run into cul-de-sacs. I hope JRS is not played straight away , given time to integrate and uses his skills as part of a team.0
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I think the concerns of “getting lumps kicked out of him” are a little unfounded.
Sure men’s football is different but so many teams in L1 and L2 are made up of youngsters/loanees and more and more teams focussed on playing football.
Other than a few teams, it’s not a league of cloggers.11 -
A working relationship with premiership clubs loaning out young players is in all but name a feeder system even if we choose to call it a loan system. We may well get some benefit from a player we will never own or profit from but its highly doubtful. A mutual benefit, I cant see it as being that equal. Are we expected to give him game time, at the expense of some of our players? Who's paying the wages and picking up the tab for training and medical facilities? I'm not a fan of loans full stop and the way the system has evolved over the years. Let the prem teams pay, train and bring through their players a their clubs. If they cant or won't, tough, the players will have to move on.ShootersHillGuru said:
Who’s talking about feeder club ? It’s about having a good working relationship with a club that might be able to offer us loans. That’s a mutual benefit. Technically we are one season apart but in reality Palace are way way ahead of us.charltonkeston said:
I refuse to except any of that statement even if it parts may be true.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:
Galling but true.ShootersHillGuru said:Been saying it for a while. Palace are exactly the sort of club that Charlton need to build a relationship with. They are established Premier League. Have a very good record of bringing through youth and are local. It’s good that TS has a relationship with Steve Parrish. Hurts to say it but they are light years ahead of us and we need to be realistic and get their youngsters in when it’s a help to us. I think in the last couple of seasons we’ve not used the loan system particularly well and several of the London clubs we’ve taken players from are probably thinking twice about loaning us more. Let’s not alienate Palace too.
I prefer to think they and us are potentially one season apart. I wouldn't want us to build a relationship with any club, it never works out well for the feeder which would most likely be us. Absolute bollocks to any ties to that club, I remember well the last time we thought it was a good idea to get involved with them. It took years to unwind that and here we are again.
Ral-Sakyi may well have potential but we are all born with potential, I seriously doubt he is any different to any of the countless youngsters who have been hoovered up by premiership clubs and then loaned out down the league pyramid. The only reason he is here is for Palaces long term potential benefit.
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