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Grammar Police etc... HQ - Pedants get you're fill hear.
KiwiValley
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I thought it might be useful to have a thread where everyone who has concerns about the use of the Queens King's English on CharltonLife can gather with those less educated, to elucidate them on points of grammar, syntax and what the hell, semantics.
Rather than interrupting the flow of other threads to point out transgressions, perhaps one might post here?
I am all for the evolution of language and am broadly of the view that if meaning is transmitted, and critically, understood then no harm no foul... sometimes it might just be an honest typo FFS.
But, you know, I mean, it's barely worth mentioning, but when @MuttleyCAFC wrote...
"Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on."...
What he should have written was "year's time". The year possesses the time hence it has to be "apostrophe s" otherwise Muttley is talking about a plural of years. For that to make sense he'd have to have written "in some years time"
I'd like to think that in a year's time (wink) this thread will have come to be known as a safe space for the discerning logophile, to share their observations of various language failings across CharltonLife or further afield.
Perhaps it could also become a general advice thread covering of things like how to sustain a conversation with a women and how to maximise the amount of things people can learn from you in a post office queue.
Rather than interrupting the flow of other threads to point out transgressions, perhaps one might post here?
I am all for the evolution of language and am broadly of the view that if meaning is transmitted, and critically, understood then no harm no foul... sometimes it might just be an honest typo FFS.
But, you know, I mean, it's barely worth mentioning, but when @MuttleyCAFC wrote...
"Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on."...
What he should have written was "year's time". The year possesses the time hence it has to be "apostrophe s" otherwise Muttley is talking about a plural of years. For that to make sense he'd have to have written "in some years time"
I'd like to think that in a year's time (wink) this thread will have come to be known as a safe space for the discerning logophile, to share their observations of various language failings across CharltonLife or further afield.
Perhaps it could also become a general advice thread covering of things like how to sustain a conversation with a women and how to maximise the amount of things people can learn from you in a post office queue.
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Surely it should be "get you're FEEL hear"?3
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your rightOff_it said:Surely it should be "get you're FEEL hear"?4 -
I would of thought their would be a thread about this already5
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You mean "rite", or "wright".KiwiValley said:
your rightOff_it said:Surely it should be "get you're FEEL hear"?0 -
"of" instead of "have". Surely the most appalling written error known to human kind.
Not far behind is the use of "less" when "fewer" is more appropriate.
I can live with the occasional missing or errant apostrophe.0 -
Etymology is okay too. For example i looked up the origins of Wolverhampton, thinking is it really to do with wolves? Spoiler alert...it's not.
The city is named after Wulfrun, who founded the town in 985, from the Anglo-Saxon Wulfrūnehēantūn ("Wulfrūn's high or principal enclosure or farm").[5][6][7] Before the Norman Conquest, the area's name appears only as variants of Heantune or Hamtun, the prefix Wulfrun or similar appearing in 1070 and thereafter.[6] Alternatively, the city may have earned its original name from Wulfereēantūn ("Wulfhere's high or principal enclosure or farm") after the Mercian King,[8] who according to tradition established an abbey in 659, though no evidence of an abbey has been found.[9] The variation Wolveren Hampton is seen in medieval records, e.g. in 1381.[10]
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As bad as that one is and as much as it makes my teeth itch, I’m not sure it’s the worst one because if you’re being really kind to offenders, you can kind of understand how if you’ve never seen it written down but heard it said you may think it’s ‘of’. To me, his/he’s (I think his a good player) is by far one of the worst/stupidest, mainly because the two words don’t even sound similar.SporadicAddick said:"of" instead of "have". Surely the most appalling written error known to human kind.
Not far behind is the use of "less" when "fewer" is more appropriate.
I can live with the occasional missing or errant apostrophe.1 -
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Corrected for youDaveMehmet said:I would wood of have thought fort their they’re would wood be a thread Fred about this already all ready0 -
Grate thread2
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I get irritated by the people who don’t know the difference between HIS & HE’S 🤦🏻♀️4
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Is this the most, Up My Own Arse and Arrogant thread ever?5
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That was the idea, yes. A safe space for knob ends like me to judge without being judged.sillav nitram said:Is this the most, Up My Own Arse and Arrogant thread ever?
...and i note your generous use of capital letters which is reminiscent of times past see : https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2014/10/capital-letters.html7 -
I’d never even heard of that one until a week or so back. Always assumed it was a typo.ParkinsonOut said:I get irritated by the people who don’t know the difference between HIS & HE’S 🤦🏻♀️One that gets me going is ‘should of’ rather than ‘should have’. I think people are confused by ‘should’ve’.1 -
Yes, probably. You’ve got a problem with that? (Lol).sillav nitram said:Is this the most, Up My Own Arse and Arrogant thread ever?2 -
One hopes so.sillav nitram said:Is this the most, Up My Own Arse and Arrogant thread ever?3 -
He's = he is.ParkinsonOut said:I get irritated by the people who don’t know the difference between HIS & HE’S 🤦🏻♀️
His = belonging to him.
He's having a bit of a mare today = He is having a bit of a mare today.
The car belongs to John. It is his car.
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My current pet hate is the placement of apostrophes in the abbreviated version of decades. So 60's when it should be '60s.
I also dislike BBC news presenters for not knowing the difference between "to" and "from". As in "different to" rather than the correct "different from". They wouldn't say "similar from" would they?
Meanwhile there is the solecism that is "going forward": apart from being horrendous English, it is often entirely superfluous.
But what has really shocked me is the recent statement from our new King: "...countless people who have been such a support and comfort to my family and myself in this time of grief". "Myself" rather than "me" - really?2 -
Me, myself and I.
Joan Armour Plating.3 -
Grammar only exists because printing was invented and lack of order in language was anathema to the self important Latin and Greek scholars of the day.
And the rules of grammar, like not starting a sentence with “And”, were inventions of those scholars; the first self appointed grammar police.
Knowledge of the rules defined your superior status and set you apart from the uneducated unwashed majority.
If printing and books were developed by Geordies we might be following the Steve Bruce oral style who thought “we’re team played well today and you’s can see it on MOTD later”3 - Sponsored links:
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Ah! Showing your distain for scholarly dick waving by well, waving your Ben Johnson. Love it.Dippenhall said:Grammar only exists because printing was invented and lack of order in language was anathema to the self important Latin and Greek scholars of the day.
And the rules of grammar, like not starting a sentence with “And”, were inventions of those scholars; the first self appointed grammar police.
Knowledge of the rules defined your superior status and set you apart from the uneducated unwashed majority.
If printing and books were developed by Geordies we might be following the Steve Bruce oral style who thought “we’re team played well today and you’s can see it on MOTD later”1 -
Anyone who tells me I can’t use a split infinitive can fuck right off.4
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You need to take more care with your placement of commas.KiwiValley said:I thought it might be useful to have a thread where everyone who has concerns about the use of the Queens King's English on CharltonLife can gather with those less educated, to elucidate them on points of grammar, syntax and what the hell, semantics.
Rather than interrupting the flow of other threads to point out transgressions, perhaps one might post here?
I am all for the evolution of language and am broadly of the view that if meaning is transmitted, and critically, understood then no harm no foul... sometimes it might just be an honest typo FFS.
But, you know, I mean, it's barely worth mentioning, but when @MuttleyCAFC wrote...
"Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on."...
What he should have written was "year's time". The year possesses the time hence it has to be "apostrophe s" otherwise Muttley is talking about a plural of years. For that to make sense he'd have to have written "in some years time"
I'd like to think that in a year's time (wink) this thread will have come to be known as a safe space for the discerning logophile, to share their observations of various language failings across CharltonLife or further afield.
Perhaps it could also become a general advice thread covering of things like how to sustain a conversation with a women and how to maximise the amount of things people can learn from you in a post office queue.1 -
Wor team.Dippenhall said:Grammar only exists because printing was invented and lack of order in language was anathema to the self important Latin and Greek scholars of the day.
And the rules of grammar, like not starting a sentence with “And”, were inventions of those scholars; the first self appointed grammar police.
Knowledge of the rules defined your superior status and set you apart from the uneducated unwashed majority.
If printing and books were developed by Geordies we might be following the Steve Bruce oral style who thought “we’re team played well today and you’s can see it on MOTD later”0 -
What have insects got to do with this thread?KiwiValley said:
Etymology is okay too. For example i looked up the origins of Wolverhampton, thinking is it really to do with wolves? Spoiler alert...it's not.
The city is named after Wulfrun, who founded the town in 985, from the Anglo-Saxon Wulfrūnehēantūn ("Wulfrūn's high or principal enclosure or farm").[5][6][7] Before the Norman Conquest, the area's name appears only as variants of Heantune or Hamtun, the prefix Wulfrun or similar appearing in 1070 and thereafter.[6] Alternatively, the city may have earned its original name from Wulfereēantūn ("Wulfhere's high or principal enclosure or farm") after the Mercian King,[8] who according to tradition established an abbey in 659, though no evidence of an abbey has been found.[9] The variation Wolveren Hampton is seen in medieval records, e.g. in 1381.[10] 6 -
See me after class.KiwiValley said:
That was the idea, yes. A safe space for knob ends like me to judge without being judged.sillav nitram said:Is this the most, Up My Own Arse and Arrogant thread ever?
...and i note your generous use of capital letters which is reminiscent of times past see : https://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2014/10/capital-letters.html0 -
A fair point, well, made.Redskin said:
You need to take more care with your placement of commas.KiwiValley said:I thought it might be useful to have a thread where everyone who has concerns about the use of the Queens King's English on CharltonLife can gather with those less educated, to elucidate them on points of grammar, syntax and what the hell, semantics.
Rather than interrupting the flow of other threads to point out transgressions, perhaps one might post here?
I am all for the evolution of language and am broadly of the view that if meaning is transmitted, and critically, understood then no harm no foul... sometimes it might just be an honest typo FFS.
But, you know, I mean, it's barely worth mentioning, but when @MuttleyCAFC wrote...
"Say he wants £5m for the club. If he sold in a years time, he would have lost it and some. Best surely to let it go for £1 now. If somebody is willing to take us on."...
What he should have written was "year's time". The year possesses the time hence it has to be "apostrophe s" otherwise Muttley is talking about a plural of years. For that to make sense he'd have to have written "in some years time"
I'd like to think that in a year's time (wink) this thread will have come to be known as a safe space for the discerning logophile, to share their observations of various language failings across CharltonLife or further afield.
Perhaps it could also become a general advice thread covering of things like how to sustain a conversation with a women and how to maximise the amount of things people can learn from you in a post office queue.1 -
Isn't that a split imperative?Gary Poole said:Anyone who tells me I can’t use a split infinitive can fuck right off.3 -
Just set up your own thread for this. Honestly, some people.KiwiValley said:Etymology is okay too. For example i looked up the origins of Wolverhampton, thinking is it really to do with wolves? Spoiler alert...it's not.
The city is named after Wulfrun, who founded the town in 985, from the Anglo-Saxon Wulfrūnehēantūn ("Wulfrūn's high or principal enclosure or farm").[5][6][7] Before the Norman Conquest, the area's name appears only as variants of Heantune or Hamtun, the prefix Wulfrun or similar appearing in 1070 and thereafter.[6] Alternatively, the city may have earned its original name from Wulfereēantūn ("Wulfhere's high or principal enclosure or farm") after the Mercian King,[8] who according to tradition established an abbey in 659, though no evidence of an abbey has been found.[9] The variation Wolveren Hampton is seen in medieval records, e.g. in 1381.[10]0 -
Your and you’re……possibly the most common mistake.0
