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January Transfer Window - Jan 2023 (Deadline Day starts page 112)
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Well they're not stupid. If they sold Leaburn and EOC then they'd be greeted with absolute disdain. Even slimy Matt Southall didn't cash in by selling Joe Gomez's clause back to Liverpool when he could have.killerandflash said:
If money was the only criteria, surely we would have flogged Leaburn for say £1.5m?Chunes said:
What's do you think is more likely:Covered End said:
Whether it's TS or new owners saving on wages for the next 5 months i can see the logic that it doesn't matter too much if we finish 12th or 17th.Chunes said:
So the new owners are prioritising saving on wages even if it possibly leaves us short. That sounds promising. I think we are perhaps seeing what we want to see and ignoring the obvious here?Covered End said:
Stating the obvious, it saves on some of the wages of players that were unlikely to play this season and if they do well we may have more chance of moving them on in the summer.Chunes said:
But what does sending Kirk and DJ out on loan accomplish? Leaving us with three wingers. We haven't got rid of them, they're coming back. We haven't got rid of Lavelle either.Covered End said:
Exactly.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Covered End said:A unique and slightly disappointing window.
But we kept our key players such as Leaburn and Dobson and hopefully improved our 2 weakest areas, getting in Kane & Penney as full backs & Bonne in for Stockley.
Not one player that played on Saturday has left.
I'm not inclined to think that we will be relegated.
Assuming that disaster doesn't happen, the real point is who will buy the club (if anyone) and will they be able to move us forward?
The "deadwood" has been removed so a buyer with means is now well placed to do a Chrissy Powell/Varney summer window, but will we be well placed or will we be potless?
The rest such as we have NO players left is just noise.
We lost and were completely outclassed on Saturday.
Our best eleven are only mid table standard and we need better players, so we need to remove the worst players and bring in promotion standard players.
The starting point has to be getting rid of the worst players which we are doing.
The only exception being EOC, but tbh we would have been foolish to decline £350K, if Wrexham really did offer us that very generous amount.
I'd rather we did what we did than sell Leaburn.
Scenario A: They sat down and said "It doesn't matter if we finish 12th or 17th so let's ship a bundle of players out for a % of their wage to save few quid."
Or Scenario B: They don't have any money and need to cut the wage bill.
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I may have miscounted but at a rough count up we have 28 players still that have featured in the first team or have just signed.msomerton said:
So they get rid of the so called deadwood and leve us with a threadbare squad that will be lucky to 4 or 5 players on the subs bench and if injuries occur would not be able to field a best 11.Covered End said:
Exactly.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Covered End said:A unique and slightly disappointing window.
But we kept our key players such as Leaburn and Dobson and hopefully improved our 2 weakest areas, getting in Kane & Penney as full backs & Bonne in for Stockley.
Not one player that played on Saturday has left.
I'm not inclined to think that we will be relegated.
Assuming that disaster doesn't happen, the real point is who will buy the club (if anyone) and will they be able to move us forward?
The "deadwood" has been removed so a buyer with means is now well placed to do a Chrissy Powell/Varney summer window, but will we be well placed or will we be potless?
The rest such as we have NO players left is just noise.
We lost and were completely outclassed on Saturday.
Our best eleven are only mid table standard and we need better players, so we need to remove the worst players and bring in promotion standard players.
The starting point has to be getting rid of the worst players which we are doing.
The only exception being EOC, but tbh we would have been foolish to decline £350K, if Wrexham really did offer us that very generous amount.
All ! so they can rebuild in the summer ,but ignoring the increased risk of relegation due to
A threadbare squad because of the lack of new better players comming in now .
Personally I wouldn't describe 28 players as threadbare and I have confidence that we won't only have 4/5 players on the bench, but am happy to concede you may believe 28 first teamers is a threadbare squad.
I fully accept that we would all like better.6 -
As usual, not quite rightRonnieMoore said:
Been training at Dagenham and Redbridge .. and has been with us for 3 weeksStarinnaddick said:Lots of people have asked what Michael Hector has been doing since leaving Fulham. Does anyone on CL know. Apart from recently training at the Massives.5 -
Trying to keep a glass half full view, everyone who left ( with the exception of OConnell ) were pretty useless week in week out . Look back and check out the player marks . It should cheer you up. Hopefully the replacements will step up.1
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I don't think many people are disputing that. The problem is the number of replacements is not to a required level.MintoHumbugs said:Trying to keep a glass half full view, everyone who left ( with the exception of OConnell ) were pretty useless week in week out . Look back and check out the player marks . It should cheer you up. Hopefully the replacements will step up.0 -
Just re-watched Andy Scott's interview. I'd love to see a follow up on his assessment now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feCmv_61288
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So at the very least I think we can agree on the type of owners they are.Covered End said:
Scenario A - at a total guess, didn't save a few quid but let's say £500K-£1M including transfer fees, which is a lot of money to TS who is clearly trying to reduce a £6M pa loss.Chunes said:
What's do you think is more likely:Covered End said:
Whether it's TS or new owners saving on wages for the next 5 months i can see the logic that it doesn't matter too much if we finish 12th or 17th.Chunes said:
So the new owners are prioritising saving on wages even if it possibly leaves us short. That sounds promising. I think we are perhaps seeing what we want to see and ignoring the obvious here?Covered End said:
Stating the obvious, it saves on some of the wages of players that were unlikely to play this season and if they do well we may have more chance of moving them on in the summer.Chunes said:
But what does sending Kirk and DJ out on loan accomplish? Leaving us with three wingers. We haven't got rid of them, they're coming back. We haven't got rid of Lavelle either.Covered End said:
Exactly.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Covered End said:A unique and slightly disappointing window.
But we kept our key players such as Leaburn and Dobson and hopefully improved our 2 weakest areas, getting in Kane & Penney as full backs & Bonne in for Stockley.
Not one player that played on Saturday has left.
I'm not inclined to think that we will be relegated.
Assuming that disaster doesn't happen, the real point is who will buy the club (if anyone) and will they be able to move us forward?
The "deadwood" has been removed so a buyer with means is now well placed to do a Chrissy Powell/Varney summer window, but will we be well placed or will we be potless?
The rest such as we have NO players left is just noise.
We lost and were completely outclassed on Saturday.
Our best eleven are only mid table standard and we need better players, so we need to remove the worst players and bring in promotion standard players.
The starting point has to be getting rid of the worst players which we are doing.
The only exception being EOC, but tbh we would have been foolish to decline £350K, if Wrexham really did offer us that very generous amount.
I'd rather we did what we did than sell Leaburn.
Scenario A: They sat down and said "It doesn't matter if we finish 12th or 17th so let's ship a bundle of players out for a % of their wage to save few quid."
Or Scenario B: They don't have any money and need to cut the wage bill.
Scenario B - there aren't new owners yet and may not be for a while, so it's possibly not their call entirely.
But if I were TS or new owners I would understand the need to improve the squad dramatically in the summer and that will require a substantial amount of players moving on and being replaced by better.
The better players will cost money, so why waste perhaps £500K, to try harder to finish let's say 8th instead of let's say 14th?
He/they would lose let's say £500K and would have achieved nothing, other than we would need to get rid of more players in the summer than we do now, making the process more difficult.
I'm not saying I'm happy with what's going on, who would be, but we are where we are and we need to make sensible financial decisions.
We could have kept them all and sold Leaburn, but I think the sensible decision was to keep your assets and get rid of your "liabilities".
I'd much rather watch Leaburn, Dobson and Fraser rather than Kirk, DJ, Lavelle, McGrandles, McGillivray and Stockley.
They're the type of owners who, in the first weeks of having any semblance of 'control' over the club, have concerned themselves with saving money over potentially leaving us short in case of an injury crisis.
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Even with TS selling up, who knows what pile of thieving bandits will take over?
Our club is in danger, real danger unless a good buyer suddenly pops up.
It’s happened at Wrexham, so why not ?1 -
Surely we’re due some good luck with a buyer by now2
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Find it strange Holden hasn't said anything.5
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He has been loaned to Burton.25
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He’s commented on all the main ins and outs on the OS.jondon76 said:Find it strange Holden hasn't said anything.
He isn’t going to get involved in takeover discussions. He knew the score on that when he joined….that his short term role is to keep things ticking over until something happens (whenever that may be!)0 -
Wonder what sort of message yesterday's cost cutting exercise sends to the rest of the first team squad they must be feeling pissed to find out they are the lower paid and the only ones we can keep2
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Couldn’t be further from the truth. We’ve kept our whole first 11.shuffles67 said:Wonder what sort of message yesterday's cost cutting exercise sends to the rest of the first team squad they must be feeling pissed to find out they are the lower paid and the only ones we can keep2 -
They're the better players. Except for EOC who we got a decent fee for by the sound of it, those who left, left not just because of their wages but because they'd not been pickableshuffles67 said:Wonder what sort of message yesterday's cost cutting exercise sends to the rest of the first team squad they must be feeling pissed to find out they are the lower paid and the only ones we can keep6 -
The silence from the club is deafening. No doubt the people who organised the transfer ins and Outs are too busy clearing their desks and submitting invoices to give an interview.No doubt Sandergaard will emerge from his bunker and tell us all moving the senior appointments on quickly is all part of his master plan.3
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I’ve seen this a lot in the last 24hrs and it seen as a massive intentional positive.killerandflash said:
If money was the only criteria, surely we would have flogged Leaburn for say £1.5m?Chunes said:
What's do you think is more likely:Covered End said:
Whether it's TS or new owners saving on wages for the next 5 months i can see the logic that it doesn't matter too much if we finish 12th or 17th.Chunes said:
So the new owners are prioritising saving on wages even if it possibly leaves us short. That sounds promising. I think we are perhaps seeing what we want to see and ignoring the obvious here?Covered End said:
Stating the obvious, it saves on some of the wages of players that were unlikely to play this season and if they do well we may have more chance of moving them on in the summer.Chunes said:
But what does sending Kirk and DJ out on loan accomplish? Leaving us with three wingers. We haven't got rid of them, they're coming back. We haven't got rid of Lavelle either.Covered End said:
Exactly.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Covered End said:A unique and slightly disappointing window.
But we kept our key players such as Leaburn and Dobson and hopefully improved our 2 weakest areas, getting in Kane & Penney as full backs & Bonne in for Stockley.
Not one player that played on Saturday has left.
I'm not inclined to think that we will be relegated.
Assuming that disaster doesn't happen, the real point is who will buy the club (if anyone) and will they be able to move us forward?
The "deadwood" has been removed so a buyer with means is now well placed to do a Chrissy Powell/Varney summer window, but will we be well placed or will we be potless?
The rest such as we have NO players left is just noise.
We lost and were completely outclassed on Saturday.
Our best eleven are only mid table standard and we need better players, so we need to remove the worst players and bring in promotion standard players.
The starting point has to be getting rid of the worst players which we are doing.
The only exception being EOC, but tbh we would have been foolish to decline £350K, if Wrexham really did offer us that very generous amount.
I'd rather we did what we did than sell Leaburn.
Scenario A: They sat down and said "It doesn't matter if we finish 12th or 17th so let's ship a bundle of players out for a % of their wage to save few quid."
Or Scenario B: They don't have any money and need to cut the wage bill.But it’s not as easy to sell a young player as you’d think. There has to be a both a willing buyer and a willingness from the young player to want to go there, that it be the right move at the right time to them. A player with strong guardians around him will have a big influence of that.Chelsea 2023 are a different model approach to Chelsea 2022. I just trawled through the whole of the January transfers list and there has not been one single transfer this window of a rookie EFL player being taken up by a Premiership club (which given the financing pressures across the leagues, staggers me).4 -
And I can't imagine the likes of Leaburn and Dobson are jealous of former teammates now playing for Cambridge, Burton or AFC Wimbledon.Leuth said:
They're the better players. Except for EOC who we got a decent fee for by the sound of it, those who left, left not just because of their wages but because they'd not been pickableshuffles67 said:Wonder what sort of message yesterday's cost cutting exercise sends to the rest of the first team squad they must be feeling pissed to find out they are the lower paid and the only ones we can keep1 -
I can’t find that on the OS?Oh Eddie Youds... said:
He’s commented on all the main ins and outs on the OS.jondon76 said:Find it strange Holden hasn't said anything.
He isn’t going to get involved in takeover discussions. He knew the score on that when he joined….that his short term role is to keep things ticking over until something happens (whenever that may be!)0 - Sponsored links:
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Have you looked?sillav nitram said:
I can’t find that on the OS?Oh Eddie Youds... said:
He’s commented on all the main ins and outs on the OS.jondon76 said:Find it strange Holden hasn't said anything.
He isn’t going to get involved in takeover discussions. He knew the score on that when he joined….that his short term role is to keep things ticking over until something happens (whenever that may be!)2 -
AFKABartram said:
I’ve seen this a lot in the last 24hrs and it seen as a massive intentional positive.killerandflash said:
If money was the only criteria, surely we would have flogged Leaburn for say £1.5m?Chunes said:
What's do you think is more likely:Covered End said:
Whether it's TS or new owners saving on wages for the next 5 months i can see the logic that it doesn't matter too much if we finish 12th or 17th.Chunes said:
So the new owners are prioritising saving on wages even if it possibly leaves us short. That sounds promising. I think we are perhaps seeing what we want to see and ignoring the obvious here?Covered End said:
Stating the obvious, it saves on some of the wages of players that were unlikely to play this season and if they do well we may have more chance of moving them on in the summer.Chunes said:
But what does sending Kirk and DJ out on loan accomplish? Leaving us with three wingers. We haven't got rid of them, they're coming back. We haven't got rid of Lavelle either.Covered End said:
Exactly.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Covered End said:A unique and slightly disappointing window.
But we kept our key players such as Leaburn and Dobson and hopefully improved our 2 weakest areas, getting in Kane & Penney as full backs & Bonne in for Stockley.
Not one player that played on Saturday has left.
I'm not inclined to think that we will be relegated.
Assuming that disaster doesn't happen, the real point is who will buy the club (if anyone) and will they be able to move us forward?
The "deadwood" has been removed so a buyer with means is now well placed to do a Chrissy Powell/Varney summer window, but will we be well placed or will we be potless?
The rest such as we have NO players left is just noise.
We lost and were completely outclassed on Saturday.
Our best eleven are only mid table standard and we need better players, so we need to remove the worst players and bring in promotion standard players.
The starting point has to be getting rid of the worst players which we are doing.
The only exception being EOC, but tbh we would have been foolish to decline £350K, if Wrexham really did offer us that very generous amount.
I'd rather we did what we did than sell Leaburn.
Scenario A: They sat down and said "It doesn't matter if we finish 12th or 17th so let's ship a bundle of players out for a % of their wage to save few quid."
Or Scenario B: They don't have any money and need to cut the wage bill.But it’s not as easy to sell a young player as you’d think. There has to be a both a willing buyer and a willingness from the young player to want to go there, that it be the right move at the right time to them. A player with strong guardians around him will have a big influence of that.Chelsea 2023 are a different model approach to Chelsea 2022. I just trawled through the whole of the January transfers list and there has not been one single transfer this window of a rookie EFL player being taken up by a Premiership club (which given the financing pressures across the leagues, staggers me).
Indeed. And as well as having level headed parents in Carl and Tracey, I wonder if Mason Burstow’s experiences playing u23 football have dissuaded Miles from leaping too soon, albeit Mason is probably driving around in a decent new whip!AFKABartram said:
I’ve seen this a lot in the last 24hrs and it seen as a massive intentional positive.killerandflash said:
If money was the only criteria, surely we would have flogged Leaburn for say £1.5m?Chunes said:
What's do you think is more likely:Covered End said:
Whether it's TS or new owners saving on wages for the next 5 months i can see the logic that it doesn't matter too much if we finish 12th or 17th.Chunes said:
So the new owners are prioritising saving on wages even if it possibly leaves us short. That sounds promising. I think we are perhaps seeing what we want to see and ignoring the obvious here?Covered End said:
Stating the obvious, it saves on some of the wages of players that were unlikely to play this season and if they do well we may have more chance of moving them on in the summer.Chunes said:
But what does sending Kirk and DJ out on loan accomplish? Leaving us with three wingers. We haven't got rid of them, they're coming back. We haven't got rid of Lavelle either.Covered End said:
Exactly.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Covered End said:A unique and slightly disappointing window.
But we kept our key players such as Leaburn and Dobson and hopefully improved our 2 weakest areas, getting in Kane & Penney as full backs & Bonne in for Stockley.
Not one player that played on Saturday has left.
I'm not inclined to think that we will be relegated.
Assuming that disaster doesn't happen, the real point is who will buy the club (if anyone) and will they be able to move us forward?
The "deadwood" has been removed so a buyer with means is now well placed to do a Chrissy Powell/Varney summer window, but will we be well placed or will we be potless?
The rest such as we have NO players left is just noise.
We lost and were completely outclassed on Saturday.
Our best eleven are only mid table standard and we need better players, so we need to remove the worst players and bring in promotion standard players.
The starting point has to be getting rid of the worst players which we are doing.
The only exception being EOC, but tbh we would have been foolish to decline £350K, if Wrexham really did offer us that very generous amount.
I'd rather we did what we did than sell Leaburn.
Scenario A: They sat down and said "It doesn't matter if we finish 12th or 17th so let's ship a bundle of players out for a % of their wage to save few quid."
Or Scenario B: They don't have any money and need to cut the wage bill.But it’s not as easy to sell a young player as you’d think. There has to be a both a willing buyer and a willingness from the young player to want to go there, that it be the right move at the right time to them. A player with strong guardians around him will have a big influence of that.Chelsea 2023 are a different model approach to Chelsea 2022. I just trawled through the whole of the January transfers list and there has not been one single transfer this window of a rookie EFL player being taken up by a Premiership club (which given the financing pressures across the leagues, staggers me).0 -
Until Reynolds get boardBigDiddy said:Even with TS selling up, who knows what pile of thieving bandits will take over?
Our club is in danger, real danger unless a good buyer suddenly pops up.
It’s happened at Wrexham, so why not ?
when does financial fair play kick in? Can they pay £8k wages in league 2?1 -
Perhaps they will impress and get sold in the summer.Chunes said:
But what does sending Kirk and DJ out on loan accomplish? Leaving us with three wingers. We haven't got rid of them, they're coming back. We haven't got rid of Lavelle either.Covered End said:
Exactly.RodneyCharltonTrotta said:Covered End said:A unique and slightly disappointing window.
But we kept our key players such as Leaburn and Dobson and hopefully improved our 2 weakest areas, getting in Kane & Penney as full backs & Bonne in for Stockley.
Not one player that played on Saturday has left.
I'm not inclined to think that we will be relegated.
Assuming that disaster doesn't happen, the real point is who will buy the club (if anyone) and will they be able to move us forward?
The "deadwood" has been removed so a buyer with means is now well placed to do a Chrissy Powell/Varney summer window, but will we be well placed or will we be potless?
The rest such as we have NO players left is just noise.
We lost and were completely outclassed on Saturday.
Our best eleven are only mid table standard and we need better players, so we need to remove the worst players and bring in promotion standard players.
The starting point has to be getting rid of the worst players which we are doing.
The only exception being EOC, but tbh we would have been foolish to decline £350K, if Wrexham really did offer us that very generous amount.
Our season is finished now.0 -
Another parasite.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Just re-watched Andy Scott's interview. I'd love to see a follow up on his assessment now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feCmv_612887 -
i think hes just another thats been lied to and playedElfsborgAddick said:
Another parasite.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Just re-watched Andy Scott's interview. I'd love to see a follow up on his assessment now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feCmv_612885 -
No doubt it’ll be Holden who will have to face the media today, cowards!1
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You're so fucking odd. Not everyone is a parasite. Like Holden and Garner and Gallen and Bowyer and Jackson and Adkins and pretty much everyone Sandgaard has appointed, they've been lied to.ElfsborgAddick said:
Another parasite.Raith_C_Chattonell said:Just re-watched Andy Scott's interview. I'd love to see a follow up on his assessment now.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feCmv_612887 -
Do we honestly think Scott was that naive?6
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I can't wait for our summer recruitment to start.
Statement from the club.
Having Kirk, Lavelle and Gilbey return to sparrows lane feels like three new signings.
Onwards and upwards.8
