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Macauley Bonne - now at Maldon & Tiptree (p36)
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In a team that plays with one striker, Bonne is third choice behind a child and player that is perennially injured.I’m sure he’ll get a contract somewhere this summer, they have my deepest sympathies.1
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And we know that being back at a place where a player has had success can bring confidence (45 goals in 90 games there). As can a system that suits. The fact is that he found the net 11 times in the first 15 games of last season for Ipswich but since then, he's only scored once in 47 appearances. So something has changed. The issue is that, unlike Leaburn Snr & Jnr, there isn't a lot else to his game to compensate for those lack of goals.Amos on the wing said:
He is still highly regarded at the O’s from his previous spell there and Martin Ling (DOF) did speak with him prior to his move back to us about a possible move to Orient in the January window. Wages were apparently an issue. This was from an interview with Ling on an O’s podcast a few weeks back.Addick Addict said:Amos on the wing said:Can see him going back to Leyton Orient in the summer.
That would be in the same division as us. If he's not good enough for us at this level then he almost certainly won't be good enough for Orient.1 -
Only fit striker now.0
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That's not his fault although he will bear the brunt of some people's anger because by definition he has to play now when he might not have done had we actually had four strikers on our books at any one time this season.Dazzler21 said:Only fit striker now.2 -
We chased him for two windows so you think he'd be good enough to play. Now we're saying "It's not his fault he has to play!"Addick Addict said:
That's not his fault although he will bear the brunt of some people's anger because by definition he has to play now when he might not have done had we actually had four strikers on our books at any one time this season.Dazzler21 said:Only fit striker now.3 -
But all players get dropped when out of form don't they? Is it his fault the other two are injured? Is it his fault we chased him or the fault of those who did so and still left us a striker short?Chunes said:
We chased him for two windows so you think he'd be good enough to play. Now we're saying "It's not his fault he has to play!"Addick Addict said:
That's not his fault although he will bear the brunt of some people's anger because by definition he has to play now when he might not have done had we actually had four strikers on our books at any one time this season.Dazzler21 said:Only fit striker now.2 -
Maybe this is the wrong thread, but I think our problems are far more widespread than the player who is being trashed here.
Since Sandgaard introduced hard shot Martin into our recruitment system it's been one poor player after another or if I'm being kinder, players bought in to play systems they just are not suited to. The player in question here is just the same. Not suited to one up top. Nobody can cross a ball.... CBT in particular.... maybe the left and right backs, Kane and Penney were seen as the answer, but one was crocked on his debut and the other seems to have disappeared leaving us with who?People are saying they have none or little affinity with any of our players.... is it any wonder when we have a bloke running recruitment that previously worked in a medical aid facility?
Nothing here will change until the Sandgaard family is no longer in a position of power at Charlton. People think as I did, that Duchatelet was a poor owner, Sandgaard is infinitely worse as he meddles via his boy in recruitment let alone any of his other self created disasters behind the scenes.17 -
He hasn't scored a single goal in 40+ games at League One level. Criticism for his form is absolutely warranted.Addick Addict said:
But all players get dropped when out of form don't they? Is it his fault the other two are injured? Is it his fault we chased him or the fault of those who did so and still left us a striker short?Chunes said:
We chased him for two windows so you think he'd be good enough to play. Now we're saying "It's not his fault he has to play!"Addick Addict said:
That's not his fault although he will bear the brunt of some people's anger because by definition he has to play now when he might not have done had we actually had four strikers on our books at any one time this season.Dazzler21 said:Only fit striker now.
Its not as if he has been thrown into a situation where he's had to play Manchester City every week.1 -
cafctom said:
He hasn't scored a single goal in 40+ games at League One level. Criticism for his form is absolutely warranted.Addick Addict said:
But all players get dropped when out of form don't they? Is it his fault the other two are injured? Is it his fault we chased him or the fault of those who did so and still left us a striker short?Chunes said:
We chased him for two windows so you think he'd be good enough to play. Now we're saying "It's not his fault he has to play!"Addick Addict said:
That's not his fault although he will bear the brunt of some people's anger because by definition he has to play now when he might not have done had we actually had four strikers on our books at any one time this season.Dazzler21 said:Only fit striker now.
Its not as if he has been thrown into a situation where he's had to play Manchester City every week.
I'm not saying that he is beyond criticism but how many chances have we created for him since he came back? He's not got a supply line provided by the likes of Mahrez, Foden, KDB or Grealish either.
Equally, we've got another forward who has scored one League goal this season and four in total in the last year. And another that we sold because he'd only scored two goals this season. We chose to sign Bonne in the same way as we chose to sign Aneke and Stockley. Leaburn, to his credit, has managed half a dozen but he hasn't scored in the same number of games Bonne hasn't for us. We didn't have to sign any of them but the truth might just be, as TEL suggests, that the system doesn't suit one forward especially someone like Bonne who relies on delivery. He's only with us 'til the end of the season and we aren't going anywhere so we haven't lost that much.
The more pertinent aspect is who and how many strikers are we going to sign for next season. I suspect that, with this regime, the answer will be one and the same arguments will apply next year. Whoever it is.1 -
Is he supposed to run back to our penalty area and get AMB to roll him the ball? Its about the only way to 'touch' it, given the pathetic service he gets.golfaddick said:
Did he actually touch the ball today ? I mean meaningful touches. His heat map wouldn't light a fag.Mendonca In Asdas said:Had more touches playing with his hair than with the ball today.1 - Sponsored links:
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Yes he won the first 3 headers he went for .. which I think was more then Leaburn won all game I am not digging out Leaburn but it’s fact . Point is no one slagging Leaburn of again Bonne the latest scrape-goat but actually he done ok when he came on .. and again got no service at all in the time he was on … people should look where the real issue is and it’s not up frontMajor said:
Is he supposed to run back to our penalty area and get AMB to roll him the ball? It’s about the only way to 'touch' it, given the pathetic service he gets.golfaddick said:
Did he actually touch the ball today ? I mean meaningful touches. His heat map wouldn't light a fag.Mendonca In Asdas said:Had more touches playing with his hair than with the ball today.2 -
Exactly this. I said Saturday to the bloke next me when Leaburn missed that sitter that had that been Bonne people would be doing there nuts. Not saying he’s mustard but he is unfairly dug out. As was Stockley.RonnieMoore said:
Yes he won the first 3 headers he went for .. which I think was more then Leaburn won all game I am not digging out Leaburn but it’s fact . Point is no one slagging Leaburn of again Bonne the latest scrape-goat but actually he done ok when he came on .. and again got no service at all in the time he was on … people should look where the real issue is and it’s not up frontMajor said:
Is he supposed to run back to our penalty area and get AMB to roll him the ball? It’s about the only way to 'touch' it, given the pathetic service he gets.golfaddick said:
Did he actually touch the ball today ? I mean meaningful touches. His heat map wouldn't light a fag.Mendonca In Asdas said:Had more touches playing with his hair than with the ball today.0 -
The worrying thing is if we don’t have a new owner by the summer I can’t see Bonne and all the other dross we signed in January going anywhere.0
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I said when we signed him it wouldn't be long until people were blaming "the service."Addick Addict said:cafctom said:
He hasn't scored a single goal in 40+ games at League One level. Criticism for his form is absolutely warranted.Addick Addict said:
But all players get dropped when out of form don't they? Is it his fault the other two are injured? Is it his fault we chased him or the fault of those who did so and still left us a striker short?Chunes said:
We chased him for two windows so you think he'd be good enough to play. Now we're saying "It's not his fault he has to play!"Addick Addict said:
That's not his fault although he will bear the brunt of some people's anger because by definition he has to play now when he might not have done had we actually had four strikers on our books at any one time this season.Dazzler21 said:Only fit striker now.
Its not as if he has been thrown into a situation where he's had to play Manchester City every week.
I'm not saying that he is beyond criticism but how many chances have we created for him since he came back? He's not got a supply line provided by the likes of Mahrez, Foden, KDB or Grealish either.
We've never been a team to create loads for our lone striker, so why sign someone who needs chances laid on a plate in order to contribute.
Now we find praise anywhere. We've got used to having such poor players that you can actually win praise from us fans for winning two or three headers! I remember when Taylor used to spin his man and smash them in from 25-yards. Oh how we've fallen.
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We create next to nothing - Bonne needs service.1
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It was somewhat telling, Chuks dropped for the ball and had the confidence to take people on. It's so frustrating our others can't do that or at least try. They spend a lot of time trying to run into channels and closing themselves off.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:We create next to nothing - Bonne needs service.
Bonne and Leaburn need to play together as Bonne can win headers and Leaburn can run things down... A bit backwards given their comparative sizes, but they need to be able to support one another.
One striker isn't doing the job.
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Chuks like Taylor can create stuff on their own - Bonne like many strikers relies on service. In the current setup he's just a passenger.Dazzler21 said:
It was somewhat telling, Chuks dropped for the ball and had the confidence to take people on.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:We create next to nothing - Bonne needs service.
It's so frustrating our others can't do that. Bonne and Leaburn need to play together as Bonne can win the headers and Leaburn can run things down... A bit backwards given their comparative sizes, but they need to be able to support one another.1 -
Poor lad has gone 44 games without any service6
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Games where Bonne has played more than 30 mins in those 44 games:Chunes said:Poor lad has gone 44 games without any service
5/7 for CAFC
0/8 for QPR
9/19 for Ipswich
So he's only been a bit part player for 30/44 games. Or two thirds of those games. Seems a bit unfair to judge him on what he's done anywhere but here this season.
So far it's 7MP, 0G, 0A so far and I bet he's even more pissed about it than you are. This was seen as his chance to redeem himself and it isn't working out so far.2 -
A striker coming on against tiring defenders is still supposed to score. He's had 30 tries of that, plus 14 starts and scored 1 goal.Dazzler21 said:
Games where Bonne has played more than 30 mins in those 44 games:Chunes said:Poor lad has gone 44 games without any service
5/7 for CAFC
0/8 for QPR
9/19 for Ipswich
So he's only been a bit part player for 30/44 games. Or two thirds of those games. Seems a bit unfair to judge him on what he's done anywhere but here this season.
So far it's 7MP, 0G, 0A so far and I bet he's even more pissed about it than you are. This was seen as his chance to redeem himself and it isn't working out so far.
Do you still rate this bloke Daz?7 -
I accept that the service hasn’t been outstanding, but he still has to contribute something. Anything.Addick Addict said:cafctom said:
He hasn't scored a single goal in 40+ games at League One level. Criticism for his form is absolutely warranted.Addick Addict said:
But all players get dropped when out of form don't they? Is it his fault the other two are injured? Is it his fault we chased him or the fault of those who did so and still left us a striker short?Chunes said:
We chased him for two windows so you think he'd be good enough to play. Now we're saying "It's not his fault he has to play!"Addick Addict said:
That's not his fault although he will bear the brunt of some people's anger because by definition he has to play now when he might not have done had we actually had four strikers on our books at any one time this season.Dazzler21 said:Only fit striker now.
Its not as if he has been thrown into a situation where he's had to play Manchester City every week.
I'm not saying that he is beyond criticism but how many chances have we created for him since he came back? He's not got a supply line provided by the likes of Mahrez, Foden, KDB or Grealish either.
Equally, we've got another forward who has scored one League goal this season and four in total in the last year. And another that we sold because he'd only scored two goals this season. We chose to sign Bonne in the same way as we chose to sign Aneke and Stockley. Leaburn, to his credit, has managed half a dozen but he hasn't scored in the same number of games Bonne hasn't for us. We didn't have to sign any of them but the truth might just be, as TEL suggests, that the system doesn't suit one forward especially someone like Bonne who relies on delivery. He's only with us 'til the end of the season and we aren't going anywhere so we haven't lost that much.
The more pertinent aspect is who and how many strikers are we going to sign for next season. I suspect that, with this regime, the answer will be one and the same arguments will apply next year. Whoever it is.
I recall when Jonny Williams was in the side and would get criticised for getting very few assists in the Championship. Yet it seemed to be lost on a lot of people that he was supplying the bullets to the likes of Tomer Hemed. Yet Williams will still offer something in his play that could make us tick on a good day.Even Josh Parker, who lacked any kind of goal scoring habit for us, still offered something else in his game that helped us.Stockley, Leaburn and Aneke have all demonstrated that when fit they could still have a trait that helps us play better - even on days when they didn’t score. It’s then down to the management to find a way to make it work. And in Stockley’s case, the management failed IMO.Bonne has nothing. Play him in a one, play him in a two, put someone behind him - doesn’t matter.When we had him in the first spell he did well to get on the end of a few chances and grab some goals. But even then I don’t recall a single game where he walked off looking like a dominant player or someone who opposition should fear whatsoever.If you were to ask me to describe what his style of play is, I honestly wouldn’t know what to say. He’s just…..there.5 -
Beyond pony he heads it to no one , i saw one header won
He contributes diddly , it's a team game
for the record i said how appalling Leaburns miss was and hes now a better non scoring forward we have in our ranks0 -
I don't particularly rate him no, I doo like to treat players fairly. Don't get me wrong he's running out of time.Chunes said:
A striker coming on against tiring defenders is still supposed to score. He's had 30 tries of that, plus 14 starts and scored 1 goal.Dazzler21 said:
Games where Bonne has played more than 30 mins in those 44 games:Chunes said:Poor lad has gone 44 games without any service
5/7 for CAFC
0/8 for QPR
9/19 for Ipswich
So he's only been a bit part player for 30/44 games. Or two thirds of those games. Seems a bit unfair to judge him on what he's done anywhere but here this season.
So far it's 7MP, 0G, 0A so far and I bet he's even more pissed about it than you are. This was seen as his chance to redeem himself and it isn't working out so far.
Do you still rate this bloke Daz?1 -
There is a reason he is a bit part player... He is just not very good is he?Dazzler21 said:
Games where Bonne has played more than 30 mins in those 44 games:Chunes said:Poor lad has gone 44 games without any service
5/7 for CAFC
0/8 for QPR
9/19 for Ipswich
So he's only been a bit part player for 30/44 games. Or two thirds of those games. Seems a bit unfair to judge him on what he's done anywhere but here this season.
So far it's 7MP, 0G, 0A so far and I bet he's even more pissed about it than you are. This was seen as his chance to redeem himself and it isn't working out so far.2 -
As I say, he's only here for a maximum of 14 games. We can then look forward to the two (and I hope that no one will dispute that we need two of them as we did at the start of this season) "all singing/all dancing" strikers that we will no doubt be signing in the summer.1
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I reckon Bonne's contract will be renewed in the Summer.
I expect us to need to find a full set of strikers, with Leaburn probably off, Chucks doing what Chucks does and the black box not being able to come up with 3 or 4 names not being desperate to sell their souls to SE7.
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Exactly This, sandgaard was hailed as the savior, but in reality the club has been slowly gutted as nepotism and meglomania is proven to be the recipe for failure. All my worst fears about the Danish rock star have sadly been realized, while all my hopes for a fresh start and a decent, competitive team have been dashedTEL said:Maybe this is the wrong thread, but I think our problems are far more widespread than the player who is being trashed here.
Since Sandgaard introduced hard shot Martin into our recruitment system it's been one poor player after another or if I'm being kinder, players bought in to play systems they just are not suited to. The player in question here is just the same. Not suited to one up top. Nobody can cross a ball.... CBT in particular.... maybe the left and right backs, Kane and Penney were seen as the answer, but one was crocked on his debut and the other seems to have disappeared leaving us with who?People are saying they have none or little affinity with any of our players.... is it any wonder when we have a bloke running recruitment that previously worked in a medical aid facility?
Nothing here will change until the Sandgaard family is no longer in a position of power at Charlton. People think as I did, that Duchatelet was a poor owner, Sandgaard is infinitely worse as he meddles via his boy in recruitment let alone any of his other self created disasters behind the scenes.2 -
Solskjær made a career of coming on as sub, scored plenty of goals though.Dazzler21 said:
Games where Bonne has played more than 30 mins in those 44 games:Chunes said:Poor lad has gone 44 games without any service
5/7 for CAFC
0/8 for QPR
9/19 for Ipswich
So he's only been a bit part player for 30/44 games. Or two thirds of those games. Seems a bit unfair to judge him on what he's done anywhere but here this season.
So far it's 7MP, 0G, 0A so far and I bet he's even more pissed about it than you are. This was seen as his chance to redeem himself and it isn't working out so far.0
