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Macauley Bonne - now at Maldon & Tiptree (p36)
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He could’ve come here and repeated the performances he put in during our championship season, which were imo, okay given his return and the fact he had stepped up from non league. He’s lost his way since leaving us. I don’t really care about his past comments or this ‘like’, because I very much doubt he’ll be here next season. Not sure why Holden wants to make it public that he’ll be talking to Bonne about this. Non story0
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cabbles said:He could’ve come here and repeated the performances he put in during our championship season, which were imo, okay given his return and the fact he had stepped up from non league. He’s lost his way since leaving us. I don’t really care about his past comments or this ‘like’, because I very much doubt he’ll be here next season. Not sure why Holden wants to make it public that he’ll be talking to Bonne about this. Non story
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Is Gallen still at the club ?
he was glued to MS (or vice versa) in directors box pre Christmas every home game , maybe a bit of Jan but since then I’ve not seen him at all
is he still around 🤷♂️ does anyone know
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You're either for us or against us. Bonne evidently ain't for us - I'd sack him.
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oohaahmortimer said:Is Gallen still at the club ?
he was glued to MS (or vice versa) in directors box pre Christmas every home game , maybe a bit of Jan but since then I’ve not seen him at all
is he still around 🤷♂️ does anyone know10 -
cafcsinger said:Fraser laughing with their players after is more annoying, both planks though1
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Siv_in_Norfolk said:oohaahmortimer said:Is Gallen still at the club ?
he was glued to MS (or vice versa) in directors box pre Christmas every home game , maybe a bit of Jan but since then I’ve not seen him at all
is he still around 🤷♂️ does anyone know.9 -
golfaddick said:Siv_in_Norfolk said:oohaahmortimer said:Is Gallen still at the club ?
he was glued to MS (or vice versa) in directors box pre Christmas every home game , maybe a bit of Jan but since then I’ve not seen him at all
is he still around 🤷♂️ does anyone know.4 -
BenHaimandBikey said:The signing of Bonne isn't even in the top 20 worst signings of the last 3 years.
It was worth a go and helped us shed Stockley. It hasn't worked out, oh well.
I'm not going to get upset about liking instagram posts because I'm not a child. He shouldn't have done it, mind.
Sorry, but for me he’s in the top 20 worst in the entire time I’ve been following Charlton (30 years).A striker who hadn’t scored in about a year, and nobody else wanted, who then goes on to alienate fans with his idiocy after a 6-0 loss.
If you reckon there are 20 worse than him in the last few years then I’d love to see that list.5 -
Lots of arguing going on tonight.
Can we just draw a line under everything and agree.
Bonne is fucking shit.9 - Sponsored links:
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Has anybody spotted the theme:
Cost cut
Crap of pitch
Discipline issues
Mgt and fans expect more
I think all the above might be linked? Otherwise my Dowie Business degree from decades ago might be wasted!1 -
Just sack him, pay him off and delete his number from Gallen's little black book1
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I was more than prepared to give Bonne a chance when he signed in January, game after game, I tried to see past the noise from fans, saying how naff he was, I wanted him to ‘Come good’ as East Stand Mike used to say.
But this fella keeps putting his foot in it, time and time again and riles up the Charlton fans.
Its a bit disrespectful to your employer and the fans who pay your wages (I’m guessing we are paying him something).
But the question I’m asking is, why does he keep doing this, and who does he have in his life to advise him?0 -
Todds_right_hook said:Covered_End_Lad said:Todds_right_hook said:North Lower Neil said:Todds_right_hook said:North Lower Neil said:Todds_right_hook said:Athletico Charlton said:Todds_right_hook said:Athletico Charlton said:Gallen needs to go for bringing this shit footballer back to the club. Genuinely awful recruitment.
it's so easy to call for someone's head without understanding the reasons why we signed Bonne. I think it's quite simple, he was the only available player for that budget. Nothing to do with poor scouting in my view and everything to do with who was available and willing to join.
Unless you have the knowledge that would be expected of a professional scout etc, you can't say whether you rate a footballer/think it was a bad decision to recommend them?
By that logic, unless a person can play football to a League One standard, are we never allowed to say if we think a player is any good?
Whether I agree or not, it's not weird saying it.
We're on a forum to discuss Charlton, so it's going to be 90% our opinions on Charlton players, managers, and staff - including the DOF who's in charge of recruitment.
Athletico's post saying he thinks our recruitment has been terrible and so we should get rid of the guy he thinks is recruiting badly, why is that a weird thing to say on a football forum?
FWIW, I don't think Gallen is pulling up any tress, but he's rooting round the bargain bin given the budget so who would?
how do we know that Holden wasn't given the names of 3 players and was asked which one he wanted?
how do we know that this wasn't an Andy scott signing?
I said at the beginning that I'm not defending the Bonne signing but I dont understand why gallen is being called out when we don't know that this was a gallen signing.
He has been a key part of our recruitment team for something like 4-5 years now. His first year (I think) was a big success with promotion and some inspired signings. Since when our recruitment has been dreadful. This has included times we have been skint but also times when relative to other L1 clubs we have been quite wealthy.
He pinned his sail to the mast on the likes of Kirk whom is an appallingly as signing we chased over multiple windows.
This is my view as a football fan, on a football fans forum. Of course I don't know who was available or their cost and maybe everyone else was poor but I knew Bonne was crap because I had seen him before. I even heard Gallen say the best bit of business he had ever done was selling him with a smile on his face. Then we bring him back.
Maybe Gallen has been really hard done by and all his amazing recommendations have been turned down by others who were more persuasive than him but after years now of poor recruitment, a shake up of the recruitment team seems sensible and for me that is goodbye to MS and SG.
It's my opinion. You don't have to agree and whoever owns us certainly won't care what I think.7 -
Siv_in_Norfolk said:oohaahmortimer said:Is Gallen still at the club ?
he was glued to MS (or vice versa) in directors box pre Christmas every home game , maybe a bit of Jan but since then I’ve not seen him at all
is he still around 🤷♂️ does anyone know1 -
cafctom said:BenHaimandBikey said:The signing of Bonne isn't even in the top 20 worst signings of the last 3 years.
It was worth a go and helped us shed Stockley. It hasn't worked out, oh well.
I'm not going to get upset about liking instagram posts because I'm not a child. He shouldn't have done it, mind.
Sorry, but for me he’s in the top 20 worst in the entire time I’ve been following Charlton (30 years).A striker who hadn’t scored in about a year, and nobody else wanted, who then goes on to alienate fans with his idiocy after a 6-0 loss.
If you reckon there are 20 worse than him in the last few years then I’d love to see that list.Sort of depends on your definition of worst. Worst player or worst in the effect they had/didn't have? Bonne was signed on a free when our season was already over. We were treading water and needed someone to come in so we could sell Stockley while we waited for Leaburn to come back. Bonne has scored more league goals for us than Stockley did this season. It's been bad and disappointing but it hasn't really affected anything. He was free, only on a six month deal so essentially the same as a loan and came in at a time when nothing mattered.Last three years might be a bit tight. Lavelle, Kirk, Penney, Mac, Castillo, John, Arter, Chuks 2.0, Watson, Souare, Gilbey, Gunter, Maddison, Matthews 2.0, Schwartz, Levitt, Smith, Leko 2.0, Roddy, Smyth was a big disappointment. That's 20 going back three years, plenty of room for debate in there and honestly even with that I'd say Bonne is number 21. Within these there's a bit of everything; players so bad they didn't even play, players signed for big money who let us down, players brought in to be relied on for promotion who failed us, backup players signed because they were cheap enough before we realised exactly why they were so cheap. Bonne's been bad but I've honestly found it hard to care based on where we were when he joined. I do however have nightmares about us relying on Watson to patrol our midfield, Schwartz to fire us to promotion, Leko and Arter to add quality to our first team or spending 500k on Kirk to end up in the L1 relegation zone. Top 20 in the last 30 years? Not a chance I won't remember Bonne next season.3 -
Scoham said:Siv_in_Norfolk said:oohaahmortimer said:Is Gallen still at the club ?
he was glued to MS (or vice versa) in directors box pre Christmas every home game , maybe a bit of Jan but since then I’ve not seen him at all
is he still around 🤷♂️ does anyone know
Martin S find’s and scouts the players
SG negotiates the contracts
Thomas signs the cheques0 -
Garrymanilow said:cafctom said:BenHaimandBikey said:The signing of Bonne isn't even in the top 20 worst signings of the last 3 years.
It was worth a go and helped us shed Stockley. It hasn't worked out, oh well.
I'm not going to get upset about liking instagram posts because I'm not a child. He shouldn't have done it, mind.
Sorry, but for me he’s in the top 20 worst in the entire time I’ve been following Charlton (30 years).A striker who hadn’t scored in about a year, and nobody else wanted, who then goes on to alienate fans with his idiocy after a 6-0 loss.
If you reckon there are 20 worse than him in the last few years then I’d love to see that list.Sort of depends on your definition of worst. Worst player or worst in the effect they had/didn't have? Bonne was signed on a free when our season was already over. We were treading water and needed someone to come in so we could sell Stockley while we waited for Leaburn to come back. Bonne has scored more league goals for us than Stockley did this season. It's been bad and disappointing but it hasn't really affected anything. He was free, only on a six month deal so essentially the same as a loan and came in at a time when nothing mattered.Last three years might be a bit tight. Lavelle, Kirk, Penney, Mac, Castillo, John, Arter, Chuks 2.0, Watson, Souare, Gilbey, Gunter, Maddison, Matthews 2.0, Schwartz, Levitt, Smith, Leko 2.0, Roddy, Smyth was a big disappointment. That's 20 going back three years, plenty of room for debate in there and honestly even with that I'd say Bonne is number 21. Within these there's a bit of everything; players so bad they didn't even play, players signed for big money who let us down, players brought in to be relied on for promotion who failed us, backup players signed because they were cheap enough before we realised exactly why they were so cheap. Bonne's been bad but I've honestly found it hard to care based on where we were when he joined. I do however have nightmares about us relying on Watson to patrol our midfield, Schwartz to fire us to promotion, Leko and Arter to add quality to our first team or spending 500k on Kirk to end up in the L1 relegation zone. Top 20 in the last 30 years? Not a chance I won't remember Bonne next season.There have been some absolutely dreadful players in recent years. But I wouldn’t put the likes of Lavelle, Watson, Gunter, MacGilivray or Kirk in the same category as Bonne.At least we could see why those players were signed in the first place and they weren’t met with complete bewilderment like Bonne’s re-signing. Those were players who were looked at as having the potential or experience to have us challenging for the playoffs, and it simply didn’t work out.
And that’s coming from someone who really has it in for the likes of Gunter and Watson who took us for a ride.Bonne was an awful looking signing from the outset, and it’s turned out that way. That’s what was most frustrating about it - the fact that we looked at a striker who hadn’t scored in a year and our recruitment team said “yeah, he’ll do for us”.Hence, he is by far one of the worst signings in recent years. The fact we even considered it is a worrying sign.6 -
Garrymanilow said:cafctom said:BenHaimandBikey said:The signing of Bonne isn't even in the top 20 worst signings of the last 3 years.
It was worth a go and helped us shed Stockley. It hasn't worked out, oh well.
I'm not going to get upset about liking instagram posts because I'm not a child. He shouldn't have done it, mind.
Sorry, but for me he’s in the top 20 worst in the entire time I’ve been following Charlton (30 years).A striker who hadn’t scored in about a year, and nobody else wanted, who then goes on to alienate fans with his idiocy after a 6-0 loss.
If you reckon there are 20 worse than him in the last few years then I’d love to see that list.Sort of depends on your definition of worst. Worst player or worst in the effect they had/didn't have? Bonne was signed on a free when our season was already over. We were treading water and needed someone to come in so we could sell Stockley while we waited for Leaburn to come back. Bonne has scored more league goals for us than Stockley did this season. It's been bad and disappointing but it hasn't really affected anything. He was free, only on a six month deal so essentially the same as a loan and came in at a time when nothing mattered.Last three years might be a bit tight. Lavelle, Kirk, Penney, Mac, Castillo, John, Arter, Chuks 2.0, Watson, Souare, Gilbey, Gunter, Maddison, Matthews 2.0, Schwartz, Levitt, Smith, Leko 2.0, Roddy, Smyth was a big disappointment. That's 20 going back three years, plenty of room for debate in there and honestly even with that I'd say Bonne is number 21. Within these there's a bit of everything; players so bad they didn't even play, players signed for big money who let us down, players brought in to be relied on for promotion who failed us, backup players signed because they were cheap enough before we realised exactly why they were so cheap. Bonne's been bad but I've honestly found it hard to care based on where we were when he joined. I do however have nightmares about us relying on Watson to patrol our midfield, Schwartz to fire us to promotion, Leko and Arter to add quality to our first team or spending 500k on Kirk to end up in the L1 relegation zone. Top 20 in the last 30 years? Not a chance I won't remember Bonne next season.3 - Sponsored links:
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cafctom said:Garrymanilow said:cafctom said:BenHaimandBikey said:The signing of Bonne isn't even in the top 20 worst signings of the last 3 years.
It was worth a go and helped us shed Stockley. It hasn't worked out, oh well.
I'm not going to get upset about liking instagram posts because I'm not a child. He shouldn't have done it, mind.
Sorry, but for me he’s in the top 20 worst in the entire time I’ve been following Charlton (30 years).A striker who hadn’t scored in about a year, and nobody else wanted, who then goes on to alienate fans with his idiocy after a 6-0 loss.
If you reckon there are 20 worse than him in the last few years then I’d love to see that list.Sort of depends on your definition of worst. Worst player or worst in the effect they had/didn't have? Bonne was signed on a free when our season was already over. We were treading water and needed someone to come in so we could sell Stockley while we waited for Leaburn to come back. Bonne has scored more league goals for us than Stockley did this season. It's been bad and disappointing but it hasn't really affected anything. He was free, only on a six month deal so essentially the same as a loan and came in at a time when nothing mattered.Last three years might be a bit tight. Lavelle, Kirk, Penney, Mac, Castillo, John, Arter, Chuks 2.0, Watson, Souare, Gilbey, Gunter, Maddison, Matthews 2.0, Schwartz, Levitt, Smith, Leko 2.0, Roddy, Smyth was a big disappointment. That's 20 going back three years, plenty of room for debate in there and honestly even with that I'd say Bonne is number 21. Within these there's a bit of everything; players so bad they didn't even play, players signed for big money who let us down, players brought in to be relied on for promotion who failed us, backup players signed because they were cheap enough before we realised exactly why they were so cheap. Bonne's been bad but I've honestly found it hard to care based on where we were when he joined. I do however have nightmares about us relying on Watson to patrol our midfield, Schwartz to fire us to promotion, Leko and Arter to add quality to our first team or spending 500k on Kirk to end up in the L1 relegation zone. Top 20 in the last 30 years? Not a chance I won't remember Bonne next season.There have been some absolutely dreadful players in recent years. But I wouldn’t put the likes of Lavelle, Watson, Gunter, MacGilivray or Kirk in the same category as Bonne.At least we could see why those players were signed in the first place and they weren’t met with complete bewilderment like Bonne’s re-signing. Those were players who were looked at as having the potential or experience to have us challenging for the playoffs, and it simply didn’t work out.
And that’s coming from someone who really has it in for the likes of Gunter and Watson who took us for a ride.Bonne was an awful looking signing from the outset, and it’s turned out that way. That’s what was most frustrating about it - the fact that we looked at a striker who hadn’t scored in a year and our recruitment team said “yeah, he’ll do for us”.Hence, he is by far one of the worst signings in recent years. The fact we even considered it is a worrying sign.I guess in the end it all comes down to perception and where you are with the team. I don't disagree with what you've said, but at the same time I do fully understand why Bonne was signed in the first place; the season was over, we needed a body in to replace Stockley and weren't going to be doing a rebuild while the owner was trying to leave. That was literally it, and Bonne was cheap, available and had scored goals for us before, albeit a while back (but at a higher level). I see the logic. I don't like it one bit, but I see it. The honest truth is it hasn't mattered if he's been good or not. We have a mishmash team that fluctuates between good and bad results every other week and we're just waiting for the 46th game to put us out of our misery. I'm at hardcore apathy stage so I don't have the energy to care about Bonne.Bonne has performed to the level I thought he probably would. I hoped he'd be better, not shocked when he wasn't. Lavelle, Mac, Kirk, these were players brought in for our serious promotion run under Adkins. We'd just finished outside the play-offs on goal difference and we should have been on the up, and these nothings murdered us. They now all, weirdly, play for Burton. One of them plays every week, one here and there and the other doesn't at all. We signed a player who even Burton don't want and they could still be relegated. Watson and Gunter looked like smart, experienced signings and they were pathetic. They annoy me when I look back, I think about how their failures led to us getting to a point where we're picking up a player like Bonne just because he's there and we don't care anymore.Bonne I view as a symptom while these other players are a cause, but I appreciate that that's mostly because I currently feel next to nothing when we have games.5 -
Is there any evidence that Bonne is cheap? Feels like this is another one that will be repeated until accepted as fact2
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Cheap in the sense that he cost £0 in transfer fees and we only have him until the end of the season so no ongoing liability. I don't know what he's being paid in wages but I would be really surprised if it was more than we were paying Stockley, who we signed from a Championship club and cost us around £500k in transfer fees. Stockley out for cash and the removed ongoing costs of his longer term contract, Bonne in until the end of the season. I'd say that's pretty cheap.
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Shipping out Stockley to bring him in didn’t make sense at all.
Of course Stockley was majorly out of goal scoring form, but Bonne’s form was drastically worse. I think it’s a crying shame that we didn’t set up at any point to play to Stockley’s strengths (which he undeniably has).
On the other hand, I couldn’t tell you what Bonne’s key strengths are and how to get him firing.It was a downgrade.5 -
Garrymanilow said:Cheap in the sense that he cost £0 in transfer fees and we only have him until the end of the season so no ongoing liability. I don't know what he's being paid in wages but I would be really surprised if it was more than we were paying Stockley, who we signed from a Championship club and cost us around £500k in transfer fees. Stockley out for cash and the removed ongoing costs of his longer term contract, Bonne in until the end of the season. I'd say that's pretty cheap.7
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cafctom said:Shipping out Stockley to bring him in didn’t make sense at all.
Of course Stockley was majorly out of goal scoring form, but Bonne’s form was drastically worse. I think it’s a crying shame that we didn’t set up at any point to play to Stockley’s strengths (which he undeniably has).
On the other hand, I couldn’t tell you what Bonne’s key strengths are and how to get him firing.It was a downgrade.
But replacing him with Bonne wasn't.2 -
Sillybilly said:Garrymanilow said:cafctom said:BenHaimandBikey said:The signing of Bonne isn't even in the top 20 worst signings of the last 3 years.
It was worth a go and helped us shed Stockley. It hasn't worked out, oh well.
I'm not going to get upset about liking instagram posts because I'm not a child. He shouldn't have done it, mind.
Sorry, but for me he’s in the top 20 worst in the entire time I’ve been following Charlton (30 years).A striker who hadn’t scored in about a year, and nobody else wanted, who then goes on to alienate fans with his idiocy after a 6-0 loss.
If you reckon there are 20 worse than him in the last few years then I’d love to see that list.Sort of depends on your definition of worst. Worst player or worst in the effect they had/didn't have? Bonne was signed on a free when our season was already over. We were treading water and needed someone to come in so we could sell Stockley while we waited for Leaburn to come back. Bonne has scored more league goals for us than Stockley did this season. It's been bad and disappointing but it hasn't really affected anything. He was free, only on a six month deal so essentially the same as a loan and came in at a time when nothing mattered.Last three years might be a bit tight. Lavelle, Kirk, Penney, Mac, Castillo, John, Arter, Chuks 2.0, Watson, Souare, Gilbey, Gunter, Maddison, Matthews 2.0, Schwartz, Levitt, Smith, Leko 2.0, Roddy, Smyth was a big disappointment. That's 20 going back three years, plenty of room for debate in there and honestly even with that I'd say Bonne is number 21. Within these there's a bit of everything; players so bad they didn't even play, players signed for big money who let us down, players brought in to be relied on for promotion who failed us, backup players signed because they were cheap enough before we realised exactly why they were so cheap. Bonne's been bad but I've honestly found it hard to care based on where we were when he joined. I do however have nightmares about us relying on Watson to patrol our midfield, Schwartz to fire us to promotion, Leko and Arter to add quality to our first team or spending 500k on Kirk to end up in the L1 relegation zone. Top 20 in the last 30 years? Not a chance I won't remember Bonne next season.0 -
Chunes said:Garrymanilow said:Cheap in the sense that he cost £0 in transfer fees and we only have him until the end of the season so no ongoing liability. I don't know what he's being paid in wages but I would be really surprised if it was more than we were paying Stockley, who we signed from a Championship club and cost us around £500k in transfer fees. Stockley out for cash and the removed ongoing costs of his longer term contract, Bonne in until the end of the season. I'd say that's pretty cheap.
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cafctom said:Shipping out Stockley to bring him in didn’t make sense at all.
Of course Stockley was majorly out of goal scoring form, but Bonne’s form was drastically worse. I think it’s a crying shame that we didn’t set up at any point to play to Stockley’s strengths (which he undeniably has).
On the other hand, I couldn’t tell you what Bonne’s key strengths are and how to get him firing.It was a downgrade.It wasn't really though. It was swapping out a flat tire for a flat tire but getting paid for giving someone your current tire and picking the new one up off the scrap heap. They both have scored two league goals for us this season (I've checked and I'd evidently forgotten a Stockley goal, sorry Jayden!) Stockley scored a penalty in a 5-1 win and a header from about a yard out in a draw. Bonne scored a couple of simple goals in a 6-0 win and a 3-2 win. They provide very little. Stockley had to go because he was completely busted for us, even his hold up play and non-goal contributions had collapsed. He was a spare part. Bonne, when he's not offside, doesn't offer anything much more, and I reckon any vague uptick in his form will die away now he's managed to maneuver the fans onto his back again. Neither of them should be playing for us next season. What we did do was shift Stockley out while there was evidently a market for him, remove the liability of the remaining year on his contract and replace a long-term space-filler with a short-term space-filler. Bonne can go in June and fingers crossed we'll have new owners with a fresh slate to bring in a striker who looks like he recognises what his feet are.Honestly, if we're at the stage where we're quibbling about which rotting corpse smells better then we might be wasting our time. At this point all you can say is we created a situation where next season we don't have to have either, and that's good.4 -
To be fair, although Bonne's been crap he was still better than Stockley this season.7