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PragueAddick
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I'm trying to put up a new blogpost involving Southall but Wordpress doesn't allow me to drop in two images side-by-side . I'm on a Mac and the "simple" way using Preview has defeated me, while a "free" specialised site had me in a doom loop clicking on Captcha images endlessly (why does that happen?)So hopefully I can drop these two images here now, and somebody could combine them into one image for me? with Southall on the left? Size quite small to go at the top of the blogpost
Thanks in advance!!!
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Three minutes from original request to completion of task. Impressive 👍6
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Is this Southall's latest 'before and after'?4
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I can put Southall on the right so it looks a little cosier if you prefer 🤷🏻♂️😉5 -
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Right so here the's post. Not too long, by my standards
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Great work as always. Thanks.PragueAddick said:Right so here the's post. Not too long, by my standards Enjoy...3 -
Fantastic post it is too, imho. Good work!PragueAddick said:Right so here the's post. Not too long, by my standards Enjoy...1 -
Yes, very interesting. Southall appears to be like a cat with 9 lives.1
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Well done PraguePragueAddick said:Right so here the's post. Not too long, by my standards Enjoy...0 - Sponsored links:
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Good article.
On a side note, I am saddened by the relegation of Rochdale.7 -
A lifetime ban wouldn’t be long enough for Southall.4
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Excellent, as always 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻1
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As a result of tweeting the post, I've learnt something even more shocking. Southall was represented by none other than Nick de Marco, the go-to rock star KC of the football world. I was gob-smacked for two reasons. One obviously, that Southall, the man who knocked dodgy lawyer Chris Farnell for £10k legal fees, can now afford Nick de Marco. Two, that NdM chose to take this case on. NdM is often bigged up by The Price of Football podcast, and I must admit sounds, when he's been interviewed there, like a guy who is on the fans' side against wrong'uns and idiots. So I asked Kieran Maguire about this and he said that KCs operate on a "cab rank basis", implying that Southall got lucky, and NdM had no choice but to take him on. So I'm curious to understand better how this system works. If there is a "cab rank", presumably it isn't for the entire list of cases that requires a KC? It must be somehow split up by type of offence and perhaps by specialist sector such as sport? Was it really the case that NdM had no real option but to take this on? @Jints, among others, might have some insights.
I feel like having a pop at NdM, who does like a bit of footie Twitter limelight, but in this case it will be wise to make sure first that there's something to have a pop about...0 -
https://www.barcouncil.org.uk/resource/the-cab-rank-rule-and-legal-representation.html#:~:text=A statement from Nick Vineall,of those seeking their services.PragueAddick said:As a result of tweeting the post, I've learnt something even more shocking. Southall was represented by none other than Nick de Marco, the go-to rock star KC of the football world. I was gob-smacked for two reasons. One obviously, that Southall, the man who knocked dodgy lawyer Chris Farnell for £10k legal fees, can now afford Nick de Marco. Two, that NdM chose to take this case on. NdM is often bigged up by The Price of Football podcast, and I must admit sounds, when he's been interviewed there, like a guy who is on the fans' side against wrong'uns and idiots. So I asked Kieran Maguire about this and he said that KCs operate on a "cab rank basis", implying that Southall got lucky, and NdM had no choice but to take him on. So I'm curious to understand better how this system works. If there is a "cab rank", presumably it isn't for the entire list of cases that requires a KC? It must be somehow split up by type of offence and perhaps by specialist sector such as sport? Was it really the case that NdM had no real option but to take this on? @Jints, among others, might have some insights.
I feel like having a pop at NdM, who does like a bit of footie Twitter limelight, but in this case it will be wise to make sure first that there's something to have a pop about...
In a nut shell it prevents people turning down work, even Fred West was entitled to legal representation, who would have taken that case? The bar do operate in weird and wonderful ways at times.1 -
The next point of interest could well be whether Southall actually pays NdM's fee for representing him.
On past showings (Farnell's fees, the builder's invoice) I'll be surprised if he does.
As previously noted, Katy Jade's "17Media" (in liquidation) owes a hefty wedge to HMRC, so unlikely she'll be baling him out. https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/09830875/filing-history (see statement of affairs 24 Aug 2022)
Surely his luck has to run out soon? Keep your eyes peeled, folks!1 -
But KCs can always price themselves out of representation (I believe)?Cafc43v3r said:
https://www.barcouncil.org.uk/resource/the-cab-rank-rule-and-legal-representation.html#:~:text=A statement from Nick Vineall,of those seeking their services.PragueAddick said:As a result of tweeting the post, I've learnt something even more shocking. Southall was represented by none other than Nick de Marco, the go-to rock star KC of the football world. I was gob-smacked for two reasons. One obviously, that Southall, the man who knocked dodgy lawyer Chris Farnell for £10k legal fees, can now afford Nick de Marco. Two, that NdM chose to take this case on. NdM is often bigged up by The Price of Football podcast, and I must admit sounds, when he's been interviewed there, like a guy who is on the fans' side against wrong'uns and idiots. So I asked Kieran Maguire about this and he said that KCs operate on a "cab rank basis", implying that Southall got lucky, and NdM had no choice but to take him on. So I'm curious to understand better how this system works. If there is a "cab rank", presumably it isn't for the entire list of cases that requires a KC? It must be somehow split up by type of offence and perhaps by specialist sector such as sport? Was it really the case that NdM had no real option but to take this on? @Jints, among others, might have some insights.
I feel like having a pop at NdM, who does like a bit of footie Twitter limelight, but in this case it will be wise to make sure first that there's something to have a pop about...
In a nut shell it prevents people turning down work, even Fred West was entitled to legal representation, who would have taken that case? The bar do operate in weird and wonderful ways at times.0 -
That's a very helpful link, thanks. I was thinking about the "cab rank" analogy in terms of the queue of cabs, wherein its complete pot luck which driver/customer you get, but it's more about the fact that you can choose your Barrister and he/she cannot say no just because they don't like you, so the analogy is more about cabs that refuse to go sarf of the river.Cafc43v3r said:
https://www.barcouncil.org.uk/resource/the-cab-rank-rule-and-legal-representation.html#:~:text=A statement from Nick Vineall,of those seeking their services.PragueAddick said:As a result of tweeting the post, I've learnt something even more shocking. Southall was represented by none other than Nick de Marco, the go-to rock star KC of the football world. I was gob-smacked for two reasons. One obviously, that Southall, the man who knocked dodgy lawyer Chris Farnell for £10k legal fees, can now afford Nick de Marco. Two, that NdM chose to take this case on. NdM is often bigged up by The Price of Football podcast, and I must admit sounds, when he's been interviewed there, like a guy who is on the fans' side against wrong'uns and idiots. So I asked Kieran Maguire about this and he said that KCs operate on a "cab rank basis", implying that Southall got lucky, and NdM had no choice but to take him on. So I'm curious to understand better how this system works. If there is a "cab rank", presumably it isn't for the entire list of cases that requires a KC? It must be somehow split up by type of offence and perhaps by specialist sector such as sport? Was it really the case that NdM had no real option but to take this on? @Jints, among others, might have some insights.
I feel like having a pop at NdM, who does like a bit of footie Twitter limelight, but in this case it will be wise to make sure first that there's something to have a pop about...
In a nut shell it prevents people turning down work, even Fred West was entitled to legal representation, who would have taken that case? The bar do operate in weird and wonderful ways at times.
I've also learnt that NdM represented all of the Maxco Birmingham defendants, and Richardson at least is supposed to have money, so Southall probably didn't have to pay so much.
It would be nice to think though that next time Southall is up before the EFL, Nick de Marco offers to represent the EFL, and pro bono.0 -
Saw KC and it didn't compute so I had to search it... duh! King's Counsel for thicko's like me.1
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Presume you thought it was The Sunshine Band?LoOkOuT said:Saw KC and it didn't compute so I had to search it... duh! King's Counsel for thicko's like me. 9 - Sponsored links:
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I wish Southall would "Give it up"Covered End said:
Presume you thought it was The Sunshine Band?LoOkOuT said:Saw KC and it didn't compute so I had to search it... duh! King's Counsel for thicko's like me.0 -
Not really they can't. I mean I am not saying they don't.SporadicAddick said:
But KCs can always price themselves out of representation (I believe)?Cafc43v3r said:
https://www.barcouncil.org.uk/resource/the-cab-rank-rule-and-legal-representation.html#:~:text=A statement from Nick Vineall,of those seeking their services.PragueAddick said:As a result of tweeting the post, I've learnt something even more shocking. Southall was represented by none other than Nick de Marco, the go-to rock star KC of the football world. I was gob-smacked for two reasons. One obviously, that Southall, the man who knocked dodgy lawyer Chris Farnell for £10k legal fees, can now afford Nick de Marco. Two, that NdM chose to take this case on. NdM is often bigged up by The Price of Football podcast, and I must admit sounds, when he's been interviewed there, like a guy who is on the fans' side against wrong'uns and idiots. So I asked Kieran Maguire about this and he said that KCs operate on a "cab rank basis", implying that Southall got lucky, and NdM had no choice but to take him on. So I'm curious to understand better how this system works. If there is a "cab rank", presumably it isn't for the entire list of cases that requires a KC? It must be somehow split up by type of offence and perhaps by specialist sector such as sport? Was it really the case that NdM had no real option but to take this on? @Jints, among others, might have some insights.
I feel like having a pop at NdM, who does like a bit of footie Twitter limelight, but in this case it will be wise to make sure first that there's something to have a pop about...
In a nut shell it prevents people turning down work, even Fred West was entitled to legal representation, who would have taken that case? The bar do operate in weird and wonderful ways at times.
In English law (and other countries which adopt the rule), the cab-rank rule is the obligation of a barrister to accept any work in a field in which they profess themselves competent to practise, at a court at which they normally appear, and at their usual rates.
The cab rank rule is set out at rC29 of the Bar Standards Board Handbook. It states that if the barrister receives instructions from a professional client and the instructions are appropriate taking into account their experience, seniority and/or field of practice, they must (subject to the exceptions in rC30) accept those instructions irrespective of:The identity of the client;The nature of the case to which the instructions relate;Whether the client is paying privately or is publicly funded; andAny belief or opinion which you may have formed as to the character, reputation, cause, conduct, guilt or innocence of the client.
Copied from wiki because it was quicker than typing it out and checking it but it matches my understanding.
We instruct KC and defend against them, sometimes we have some that are on both sides at different times.3 -
So at the very least it will have cost baldy yet another bundle of cash, and perpetuates his status as a dishonest man
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Sounds like he may have to postpone his next costly pube harvest then1
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So they HAVE to work for Southall?
Yet 250 of them choose not to prosecute eco warriors with apparently no comebacks!2 -
I don’t know what exactly you refer to, but at the least, is that situation about barristers? Because I dont think this rule applies to law firms in general or individual solicitors. Could be wrong though, on a steep learning curve here…TellyTubby said:So they HAVE to work for Southall?
Yet 250 of them choose not to prosecute eco warriors with apparently no comebacks!0 -
Great article 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻1
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Also Tubs to be clear ( a lot clearer than I was 48 hours ago, I must confess), they are not strictly “working for Southall” for two reasonsTellyTubby said:So they HAVE to work for Southall?
Yet 250 of them choose not to prosecute eco warriors with apparently no comebacks!
- He represented the Maxco group including Southall and its said that Richardson at least is loaded. So NdM had no reason to argue he might not get paid (which can be a valid reason to refuse)
- Barristers are chosen and instructed by whichever firm of solicitors is working for the client, rather than the clients themselves, albeit clients presumably sign off on the choice0 -
Sorry, it was 120 according to this article not 250.PragueAddick said:
I don’t know what exactly you refer to, but at the least, is that situation about barristers? Because I dont think this rule applies to law firms in general or individual solicitors. Could be wrong though, on a steep learning curve here…TellyTubby said:So they HAVE to work for Southall?
Yet 250 of them choose not to prosecute eco warriors with apparently no comebacks!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/24/just-stop-oil-extinction-rebellion-lawyers-climate-change/
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Hi, Tubs, well I read it, and it is certainly interesting, but IMO not 'good", because of the usual Telegraph failing.TellyTubby said:
Sorry, it was 120 according to this article not 250.PragueAddick said:
I don’t know what exactly you refer to, but at the least, is that situation about barristers? Because I dont think this rule applies to law firms in general or individual solicitors. Could be wrong though, on a steep learning curve here…TellyTubby said:So they HAVE to work for Southall?
Yet 250 of them choose not to prosecute eco warriors with apparently no comebacks!
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/24/just-stop-oil-extinction-rebellion-lawyers-climate-change/
Good article btw.
Cafc43v3r posted above and shove it under Jolyon Maughan's nose with a demand to know why he and the others plan to break with an apparently fundamental convention underpinning the UK justice system. Instead, and because the Telegraph is now just the house magazine of the Tory Party, the reporter just lazily asked a Tory MP for a quote on the matter. The Telegraph, having set up a really incisive attack, blazed over from 2 yards. It is genuinely a pity, because I think it's potentially a really interesting question.
All that said, I suspect Nick de Marco might answer along the lines that climate change is a rather better candidate for "hill to die on" than Matt Southall.0
