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I believe that a plug in can do X number of miles on electric only, where as a self charging only helps the car from a standing start, along with running some of the car’s accessories.CafcWest said:I've decided, for now, against going all electric. But want to buy a 4WD mid-sized SUV that is a hybrid (e.g. Jeep, Peugeot 2008, DS..). What I'm not clear on is the difference from self-charging and plug-in hybrid. I, obviously, understand the difference in that one self charges as you drive and one you plug-in - but don't know why you'd buy one over the other? Any advice or recommended models?1 -
BMW are also testing Hydrogen
https://discover.bmw.co.uk/article/step-inside-the-new-bmw-ix5-hydrogen
Big Hydrogen plant developing in Sheffield that think it is worth the effort
https://itm-power.com/
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we'll use hydrogen for things like aeroplanes (electric planes are still some way off apparently) and mayyybe sports cars, but electric will be the future for cars, general energy in the home. Buy copper and chill.MuttleyCAFC said:I just have a gut feeling, no more than that, that hydrogen could be the future. Of course it isn't yet, but I see that a lot of work is being done looking at extracting hydrogen using sunlight. If they crack that it will change the game surely.1 -
I'd tell those working on it not to bother.kentaddick said:
we'll use hydrogen for things like aeroplanes (electric planes are still some way off apparently) and mayyybe sports cars, but electric will be the future for cars, general energy in the home. Buy copper and chill.MuttleyCAFC said:I just have a gut feeling, no more than that, that hydrogen could be the future. Of course it isn't yet, but I see that a lot of work is being done looking at extracting hydrogen using sunlight. If they crack that it will change the game surely.0 -
We’ve got a Toyota RAV4 hybrid (fwd) which we are very happy with.CafcWest said:I've decided, for now, against going all electric. But want to buy a 4WD mid-sized SUV that is a hybrid (e.g. Jeep, Peugeot 2008, DS..). What I'm not clear on is the difference from self-charging and plug-in hybrid. I, obviously, understand the difference in that one self charges as you drive and one you plug-in - but don't know why you'd buy one over the other? Any advice or recommended models?It has a 4 cylinder 2,5l petrol engine producing 180bhp and an electric motor producing the equivalent of 38bhp (218bhp in total). This is more than enough for our needs, which is just driving around locally with an occasional dual carriage way or motorway blast. Our current fuel consumption is 5.1l/100km (46.16mpg). The 4WD version has 222bhp and the plug-in 330.
The plug-in has a larger range in full electric modus (approx. 80 km) while the self-charging will do about 8km before the petrol engine switches on to recharge the batteries. The plug-in is also capable of motorway speeds in full electric modus, while the other isn’t, although I have been in electric modus at an indicated 70km.
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Thank you @Stua@Stuart_the_Red - useful information and I think I'll definitely look at the RAV 4 - plug in version.Stuart_the_Red said:
We’ve got a Toyota RAV4 hybrid (fwd) which we are very happy with.CafcWest said:I've decided, for now, against going all electric. But want to buy a 4WD mid-sized SUV that is a hybrid (e.g. Jeep, Peugeot 2008, DS..). What I'm not clear on is the difference from self-charging and plug-in hybrid. I, obviously, understand the difference in that one self charges as you drive and one you plug-in - but don't know why you'd buy one over the other? Any advice or recommended models?It has a 4 cylinder 2,5l petrol engine producing 180bhp and an electric motor producing the equivalent of 38bhp (218bhp in total). This is more than enough for our needs, which is just driving around locally with an occasional dual carriage way or motorway blast. Our current fuel consumption is 5.1l/100km (46.16mpg). The 4WD version has 222bhp and the plug-in 330.
The plug-in has a larger range in full electric modus (approx. 80 km) while the self-charging will do about 8km before the petrol engine switches on to recharge the batteries. The plug-in is also capable of motorway speeds in full electric modus, while the other isn’t, although I have been in electric modus at an indicated 70km.
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https://lightyear.one/
Lightyear 0 charges itself whenever the roof absorbs daylight. Charging becomes a journey, not a destination.
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What a load of bollocks it all is. IMHO of course.0
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I have my new Kona now. So far it’s doing 280-290 miles per charge which costs about £9. It’s comfortable , smart , and much quicker than I imagined4
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Anyone have any comments on the polestar 2?
are there tax benefits for leasing an electric car through a company?0 -
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Yes, the parent company is Chinese, so it's a no from me.Todds_right_hook said:Anyone have any comments on the polestar 2?
are there tax benefits for leasing an electric car through a company?
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The 2023 Maserati Granturismo Folgore is being sneaked out. I think I might want one. (Folgore is Italian for Lightning - equivalent to 1200 bhp and supposedly a range of 440 miles.) Maserati -well known for their noisy exhausts - also claim to have solved the issue of the horrible lawnmower noise you get with electric vehicles. They say it will be loud.
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I thought Polestar was owned by Volvo??cafcfan said:
Yes, the parent company is Chinese, so it's a no from me.Todds_right_hook said:Anyone have any comments on the polestar 2?
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Volvo are Chinese ownedFumbluff said:
I thought Polestar was owned by Volvo??cafcfan said:
Yes, the parent company is Chinese, so it's a no from me.Todds_right_hook said:Anyone have any comments on the polestar 2?
are there tax benefits for leasing an electric car through a company?1 -
Not much of a car buff meself and have a Mazda CX-5. Deal on that finishes soon so thinking about going electric. The Kia EV6. Looks really smart and a colleague has one and raves about it. 50 gs seems a bit steep for a Kia tho. I’m assuming electric cars are pricier than petrol?0
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That’d explain it then…0
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Should say part owned.stop_shouting said:
Volvo are Chinese ownedFumbluff said:
I thought Polestar was owned by Volvo??cafcfan said:
Yes, the parent company is Chinese, so it's a no from me.Todds_right_hook said:Anyone have any comments on the polestar 2?
are there tax benefits for leasing an electric car through a company?1 -
https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars745 miles distance on a single charge.
And that charge would take less than 10 mins.2 -
If Toyota's claims come to fruition by 2027, as they suggest, it will make all current electric cars obsolete overnight. Nothing could compete with a 10 minute charge, half the weight, half the cost and twice the range. Tesla could find itself being about as useful as a Sinclair C5: doing the automotive equivalent of betamax or plasma TVs.Danepak said:https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars745 miles distance on a single charge.
And that charge would take less than 10 mins.1 -
Car companies brought in those highly engineered engines a few years back. You know the ones, a 1 litre could perform like a 2 litre with 1 litre fuel consumption. And they were great until they went wrong. Car companies were responsible for fiddling deisel emissions and they are jumping on the electric vehicles with massive, heavy non eco friendly batteries now but any fool can see there has to be something better. And there will be, but meantime some people will be parted with their cash and end up with something completely useless in a few years.1
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Will synthetic fuel be available by then, and at a sensible price?cafcfan said:
If Toyota's claims come to fruition by 2027, as they suggest, it will make all current electric cars obsolete overnight. Nothing could compete with a 10 minute charge, half the weight, half the cost and twice the range. Tesla could find itself being about as useful as a Sinclair C5: doing the automotive equivalent of betamax or plasma TVs.Danepak said:https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars745 miles distance on a single charge.
And that charge would take less than 10 mins.No need to change cars and keep the garage network. Greener than batteries.1 -
Thats a great question Jessie, i don't know the answer to that i'm afraid.Jessie said:Reading the "Just Stop Oil" thread, I wonder how will all the dead batteries of electric cars be processed?1 -
Only if there was unlimited supply of new Toyotas and depending on price. But eventually, yes. I know that other manufacturers are investing lots in solid state as well. I wonder whether Toyota would license the technology to others - I would have thought the political pressure to do so would be overwhelming and it would make economic sense to as well.cafcfan said:
If Toyota's claims come to fruition by 2027, as they suggest, it will make all current electric cars obsolete overnight. Nothing could compete with a 10 minute charge, half the weight, half the cost and twice the range. Tesla could find itself being about as useful as a Sinclair C5: doing the automotive equivalent of betamax or plasma TVs.Danepak said:https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2023/jul/04/toyota-claims-battery-breakthrough-electric-cars745 miles distance on a single charge.
And that charge would take less than 10 mins.1 -
Nephew has one of these little BMWs with the suicide rear doors. He's had it just over a year. Got it on peppercorn lease £150pcm for first year then with option to conto he at around £400. He has solar at home and also free charge at the office where he works but it's going back and he's going to get a Toyota Aygo as replacement.0
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I’m up on the German coast with my new PHEV. Jeez, I’m glad its not full electric. OK, this is Germany, where the truth behind their image of efficiency and organisation is, let’s say, nuanced, but charging your car on the way north to and around Berlin ( ironically taking us past the hideous Tesla gigafactory) is quite the lottery. Service stations are the last place to look. My Shell app showed us an apparent location just off the Berlin ring in a little village. We found something. It was at the back of a Toyota dealership. It was Sunday so noone was around but I was unsure it was the right place because there were only two points when the Shell app said 4, of which one was “unavailable”, and there were no details on how to pay for it, on the machine. In the end my wife got fed up with me fannying around, plugged it in, the green light came on ,and we had our picnic, in a deserted car dealership. And the Shell card duly debited some money.As for up here on the coast…we’d rented the apartment last year, so I knew that being on the ground floor with our own parking space next to a window, we’d be Ok. What everyone else does, I have no idea. I havent seen a single public charging point anywhere in this resort.
There’s a long way to go with this malarkey before it works for everyone.5 -
The whole car industry is running about cheerfully ignoring the critical supply issues around all the rare expensive and difficult to extract metals necessary for battery manufacture
All of which are environmentally catastrophic to obtain and refine The CO2 comparison to burning crude oil derived fuels is unfavourable
Add in that China controls the majority of those mining and processing businesses and there is a massive question mark over all battery powered personal transport
Synthetic petrol is technically possible but hugely expensive and doesn’t address the carbon problem
The developed world’s attitude to personal transportation will need to have changed totally within 2 generations
I’m off to start hybridising the ultimate Clydesdale/racehorse/mule
horse drawn is your grandkids future3 -
Just bought a 3.2 tdci Ford Ranger - but then I will be using it for fishing and camping etc - Electric cars need to come down some way before I can afford one. They also need to upsize - Not just the Hummer EV and the Rivian.0
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We've been full electric for about 18 months, honestly it's been fine, no hassle with charging even without a home charger, done a few long distance runs and it's been great. Probably going to get another EV soon, either an MG4 or MG ZS, and I think we're full converted4
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we have had two fully electric cars
would still prefer a petrol though0
