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The Takeover Thread v3.0 - DONE! - Methven interview in the Telegraph (p55)
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Basically a similar plan to most owners.2
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Owners in "we'd rather not piss money up the wall if we can help it" shocker.
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Oh sure, it's not how much they have but what they're willing to put in but all this nonsense from certain quarters about seriously wealthy owners who intend "really going for promotion" etc etc when it appears nothing of the sort is going to happen. & It's a mid table squad yet again. I am aware before anybody lectures me that the window is still open, let's see where we are on 2nd September.cafcfan1990 said:
As always I think a large chunk of supporters, me included btw, get distracted by owners wealth. Ultimately it’s irrelevant and it’s about how much they are willing to spend. Wolves owners are minted and have been taking out loans,charltonbob said:Billionaire owners ? Exciting times ahead ? Ever think you've been had ? ( Not me I never believed all the billionaire nonsense from certain parties)0 -
I get the impression we are looking to get a decent fee for Dobson and CBT. The replacements are there pretty much
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I hope we show ambition and keep them, but signing a replacement before having to sell a player is what well run clubs aim to do.mendonca said:I get the impression we are looking to get a decent fee for Dobson and CBT. The replacements are there pretty much
Is that based on anything more than Taylor and Campbell joining?
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Complete rubbishmendonca said:I get the impression we are looking to get a decent fee for Dobson and CBT. The replacements are there pretty much6 -
Uh oh. I was getting comfort until you said it was complete rubbish Ronnie! I now expect both to be sold tonight for a cut price fee.RonnieMoore said:
Complete rubbishmendonca said:I get the impression we are looking to get a decent fee for Dobson and CBT. The replacements are there pretty much5 -
Player trading = Player sales
At least they know our history and are aligning to it 😔0 -
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I’m sure the plan is to sell players.supaclive said:Yes, we cannot and will not be able to trade this year and not lose (outside of player trading) £4m-£5m. So that means we'll sell one decent player a season to balance the books or try to.
However, with Dobson and CBT out of contract at the end of this season, there is every chance that if we are off the pace play off wise in January that both of those will be sold in January and a star youth player will go at the end of the season.
Just like every club. It all depends on how and when surely. Brentford and Brighton have done very well whilst selling. Coventry made a big sale this summer and are reinvesting well.
Maybe they get lucky. Leaburn could be worth £5M. Anderson, Assimwe, Kanu, Casey, Mitchell, Elerwere could also be worth very decent money in the next 2 years. If signed up long enough and we maximise the value and reinvest then as painful as the sales will be it could work.
The issue for me isn't the sales but the £1-2M number which seems about £10M too low!0 - Sponsored links:
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For every season we are in League one we will piss money up the wall.sam3110 said:Owners in "we'd rather not piss money up the wall if we can help it" shocker.
The majority of this ownership will have no interest or little say in day to day stuff.
This is all on Methven. It's his baby and it will be down to him if it goes tits up.
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But Methven doesn't have the cash to run the club etc. The ownership have the only say in fees for transfers. As the greater stakeholders and financiers they have the biggest say on how successful the club will be.carly burn said:
For every season we are in League one we will piss money up the wall.sam3110 said:Owners in "we'd rather not piss money up the wall if we can help it" shocker.
The majority of this ownership will have no interest or little say in day to day stuff.
This is all on Methven. It's his baby and it will be down to him if it goes tits up.1 -
The issue isn't that they'd sell players if they get decent offers, I'm sure every club would do that in a similar situation to us.
The issue is that they're hinging the whole 'project' on being able to sell players at huge values to run the club long-term. What happens in a year once Leaburn is gone and there's no one left that will command big 7 figures? A fire sale?4 -
There are about 10 different investment groups are there not?up_the_valley said:
But Methven doesn't have the cash to run the club etc. The ownership have the only say in fees for transfers. As the greater stakeholders and financiers they have the biggest say on how successful the club will be.carly burn said:
For every season we are in League one we will piss money up the wall.sam3110 said:Owners in "we'd rather not piss money up the wall if we can help it" shocker.
The majority of this ownership will have no interest or little say in day to day stuff.
This is all on Methven. It's his baby and it will be down to him if it goes tits up.
Methven is part of that group.
I believe an initial agreed amount was put in by each party. And Methven probably gave each group assurances about that initial amount being more than enough.
There is no cash tap here. Despite some investors being significantly wealthier than others. They have agreed a buy in and Methven and his pals will have to go about managing it.0 -
Indeed - what I mean is that the £1m-£2m figure, which is potentially feasible to offset by selling players, is laughable. Either Methven is an idiot or he is dissembling. The gap will be much bigger and the sales will need to be much bigger to cover it. You can do it in any given year but you won’t do it over time.Athletico Charlton said:Airman Brown said:
I’m sure the plan is to sell players.supaclive said:Yes, we cannot and will not be able to trade this year and not lose (outside of player trading) £4m-£5m. So that means we'll sell one decent player a season to balance the books or try to.
However, with Dobson and CBT out of contract at the end of this season, there is every chance that if we are off the pace play off wise in January that both of those will be sold in January and a star youth player will go at the end of the season.
Just like every club. It all depends on how and when surely. Brentford and Brighton have done very well whilst selling. Coventry made a big sale this summer and are reinvesting well.
Maybe they get lucky. Leaburn could be worth £5M. Anderson, Assimwe, Kanu, Casey, Mitchell, Elerwere could also be worth very decent money in the next 2 years. If signed up long enough and we maximise the value and reinvest then as painful as the sales will be it could work.
The issue for me isn't the sales but the £1-2M number which seems about £10M too low!4 -
So, Methven has communicated that operating losses can be reduced by approx £10m, if comparing to the accounts of previous years? Or have I got that wrong.0
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I'm sure Methven said in his interview with @PragueAddick that the consortium were well aware of the large yearly losses and were happy to fund them long term
Why would he put that in the public domain?0 -
Conscious we seem to have gone from us ‘being a bit of fun’ for some guys for whom we ‘represent a small share of their overall wealth’ to suddenly planning to have an annual loss level that would require swingeing cuts and selling our young players.7
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This don't make good reading today0
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Welcome to football ownership chaps. As for "long term" what does that mean these days, where most people can't make it to the end of a TikTok clip.
I reckon Leaburn getting crocked put a spanner in the works early doors, that must of put a dent in the "rebuild" plans.0 - Sponsored links:
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Chunes said:I'm sure Methven said in his interview with @PragueAddick that the consortium were well aware of the large yearly losses and were happy to fund them long term
Why would he put that in the public domain?It's a mystery to me, maybe he's just a fucking liar ?4 -
“You will do that if you have any kind of competence at all”. Good luck with that.0
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We had the same nonsense from Sandgaard with his project break even 12 months agoIt don’t happen in this league unless you sell players totalling 6-8 million.Fantasy accountancy football9
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I'm holding judgement until after the window closes.
While I'm not optimistic we're actually going to sign anyone decent this month, it's not unreasonable to play down the amount of money we have while the window is open. Talking about managing losses, and players sales might help in player and indeed wage negotiations.0 -
I cannot see us getting anywhere near 5 million quid on the players we can sell. The biggest asset being Leaburn now has to recover from injury and replicate his goals return from last season.
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Does make you question why they have been so Keen to get Anderson and Asiimwi out on the pitch.
Don't get me wrong. They're good and the squad is thin but CAFC has made me a 98% cynic.2 -
It might be prudent to say that he implied this. He also implies there, and more explicitly in the article, that the losses can be reduced by "competent" management. I have no idea what specific opportunities he sees to either cut costs or increase revenues such that you get an £8m operating loss down to £2m. The things he mentioned to me off the record seemed to me peripheral. In the Telegraph article he talks about things like reducing queues for refreshments, which is laudable in itself but I doubt the resulting revenue increase from improved matchday catering would even get into six figures. @Airman Brown would of course be able to put a more precise figure on that. As West Ham would tell you, it's marginal and the only serious money to be made is in corporate hospitality -and for that, the Valley needs serious investment.Chunes said:I'm sure Methven said in his interview with @PragueAddick that the consortium were well aware of the large yearly losses and were happy to fund them long term
Why would he put that in the public domain?
I also have to say that when discussing the importance of owning your own ground I'm disappointed that he cited West Ham and Man City as examples to show that you can succeed as tenants. I don't think Charlie Methven is an idiot, but he does often give the impression that he thinks other people are, and fob them off with any old tosh. Does he really think we cannot spot the flaw in the argument re those two clubs? I don't know why he didn't instead cite Coventry. They don't benefit from State Aid, be it the UK or Abu Dhabi. But that will unravel soon enough. That club has to own that stadium.
By the way I'd really encourage people to read the interview, and pick out and save the bits you find relevant to hold him to account for over a period of time. That's the primary purpose of the interview, from the fans' perspective.8 -
Here's one for you @PragueAddick
Methven
"one of the really useful things about Brener and Friedman is not only have they run a football club together, but have been through ups and downs with that, and have tried things that didn’t work"
What club was that?
I know about Brener and Dallas,Houston, but can't find any association of Friedman with any sporting organisations?3 -
It’s always the same thing, really. They all claim to have a magic route to balancing the books and it’s always nonsense.PragueAddick said:
It might be prudent to say that he implied this. He also implies there, and more explicitly in the article, that the losses can be reduced by "competent" management. I have no idea what specific opportunities he sees to either cut costs or increase revenues such that you get an £8m operating loss down to £2m. The things he mentioned to me off the record seemed to me peripheral. In the Telegraph article he talks about things like reducing queues for refreshments, which is laudable in itself but I doubt the resulting revenue increase from improved matchday catering would even get into six figures. @Airman Brown would of course be able to put a more precise figure on that. As West Ham would tell you, it's marginal and the only serious money to be made is in corporate hospitality -and for that, the Valley needs serious investment.Chunes said:I'm sure Methven said in his interview with @PragueAddick that the consortium were well aware of the large yearly losses and were happy to fund them long term
Why would he put that in the public domain?
I also have to say that when discussing the importance of owning your own ground I'm disappointed that he cited West Ham and Man City as examples to show that you can succeed as tenants. I don't think Charlie Methven is an idiot, but he does often give the impression that he thinks other people are, and fob them off with any old tosh. Does he really think we cannot spot the flaw in the argument re those two clubs? I don't know why he didn't instead cite Coventry. They don't benefit from State Aid, be it the UK or Abu Dhabi. But that will unravel soon enough. That club has to own that stadium.
By the way I'd really encourage people to read the interview, and pick out and save the bits you find relevant to hold him to account for over a period of time. That's the primary purpose of the interview, from the fans' perspective.Leaving aside the catering arrangements being outsourced (I haven’t taken much notice but assume that’s still the case), the net revenue gain is minor after cost of sale.I’m not even sure the club will be receiving six figures IN TOTAL over the season if it’s just commission (although that may be too pessimistic), but the scope for increasing it through greater efficiency will be pennies.5
