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Friend Or Defoe said:valleynick66 said:Friend Or Defoe said:valleynick66 said:Friend Or Defoe said:valleynick66 said:Chizz said:Had the Mayor not expanded Boris Johnson's ULEZ, he'd have been stripped of post-Covid government support for the Underground. The Transport Minister wrote to the Mayor telling him he had to expand ULEZ in order to receive the bailout required to keep the Underground running.
What would most people's views have been if the ULEZ expansion had been cancelled, but the Underground had been shut?The issue with this latest evolution is timing and lack of notice at a time of financial hardship.Most do not object on the merits of helping improve air quality albeit the gains in outer London may be marginal.
The fact there was hardly any fuss when it was introduced in inner London (by the Tories) compared to the Helen Lovejoy reaction to outer London is extraordinary (by the London Mayor). People can draw their own conclusions as to why.This of course is also a case of NIMBY but regardless the timing and lack of notice are the elements which rile most.
Care to comment on the reasonableness of timing & notice ?
I cant get comfortable that 9 months notice this time is appropriate including going straight to a £12.50 level fine.
Khan was interviewed on BBC News last night and would not answer that point at all. Its ultimately the right thing to do but there are better ways of introducing it.
Part of me wonders if the TFL forecast is flawed and actually it might be cash negative - if we are confident 9/10 cars are compliant maybe the 1/10 will ditch the vehicle and/or not enter the zone and in which case the cash wont flow and it will be a deficit given the infrastructure investment and fees to whoever is outsourced to help run it.
Time will tell as will the rhetoric and campaigning come the mayoral elections.0 -
kentaddick said:the fact the grifter nigel farage has attached himself to the anti ulez campaign tells you all you need to know about those types.2
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Interestingly Station Road is within the Greater London Boundry and part of the London Borough of Bexley as are a number roads to the right looking towards the retail estate, but are not inside the ULEZ Area.0
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It’s ok. The poor can’t afford to shop in those shops anyway.1
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MrOneLung said:It’s ok. The poor can’t afford to shop in those shops anyway.
They are the demographic least likely to own a car
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It's funny how left-wing types are typically in favour of ULEZ despite it disproportionately affecting the poor.
15 years ago this type of scheme would have been seen as a disaster. Just shows how the demographics of the political divide have changed.10 -
The cleaner air will not affect groups of people disproportionately but everybody much the same.1
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Where were all those protesting outside Downing Street about ULEZ because of £12.50 a day when people’s mortgages went up by hundreds of pounds a month?8
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Working?1
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seth plum said:The cleaner air will not affect groups of people disproportionately but everybody much the same.
If Boris Johnson had brought this in, you would be going mental.6 - Sponsored links:
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cafcnick1992 said:seth plum said:The cleaner air will not affect groups of people disproportionately but everybody much the same.
If Boris Johnson had brought this in, you would be going mental.0 -
I meant its arbitrary expansion to the whole of greater London, including areas where air quality is good.0
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cafcnick1992 said:It's funny how left-wing types are typically in favour of ULEZ despite it disproportionately affecting the poor.
15 years ago this type of scheme would have been seen as a disaster. Just shows how the demographics of the political divide have changed.As you infer, the rich ain’t bothered or going to be affected by ULEZ. It’s the lower to medium income people.0 -
cafcnick1992 said:I meant its arbitrary expansion to the whole of greater London, including areas where air quality is good.0
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Friend Or Defoe said:cafcnick1992 said:I meant its arbitrary expansion to the whole of greater London, including areas where air quality is good.
Don't get me wrong - I oppose the scheme in all its forms.0 -
cafcnick1992 said:It's funny how left-wing types are typically in favour of ULEZ despite it disproportionately affecting the poor.
15 years ago this type of scheme would have been seen as a disaster. Just shows how the demographics of the political divide have changed.
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I have obtained a certificate of compliance for my vehicle which I have been told exempts me from having to pay the ULEZ .
However having been on the ULEZ website I can find no mention of this certificate or anywhere to register it, has anybody else heard of this and if so had success registering?0 -
Rothko said:cafcnick1992 said:It's funny how left-wing types are typically in favour of ULEZ despite it disproportionately affecting the poor.
15 years ago this type of scheme would have been seen as a disaster. Just shows how the demographics of the political divide have changed.4 -
Bournesnr said:I have obtained a certificate of compliance for my vehicle which I have been told exempts me from having to pay the ULEZ .
However having been on the ULEZ website I can find no mention of this certificate or anywhere to register it, has anybody else heard of this and if so had success registering?
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Friend Or Defoe said:cafcnick1992 said:seth plum said:The cleaner air will not affect groups of people disproportionately but everybody much the same.
If Boris Johnson had brought this in, you would be going mental.0 - Sponsored links:
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Rothko said:2
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Bournesnr said:I have obtained a certificate of compliance for my vehicle which I have been told exempts me from having to pay the ULEZ .
However having been on the ULEZ website I can find no mention of this certificate or anywhere to register it, has anybody else heard of this and if so had success registering?0 -
Mate's Mrs (They're in Slade Green) is still waiting for Certificate of Conformity from Mercedes as her car is over the required age for diesel cars to comply, but emits under the required amount of NOx. She's been waiting a couple of months and called them last week, to be told they're working through a backlog. I understand it's the same story at the next hurdle regarding getting it processed by TFL. Meantime, the car is sat in their parking bay, while they work out a route for her to get to her jobs without going past a camara. Apparently it's do'able in Slade Green
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seth plum said:The cleaner air will not affect groups of people disproportionately but everybody much the same.1
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cafcnick1992 said:I meant its arbitrary expansion to the whole of greater London, including areas where air quality is good.
Baffles me how Bexley can be so opposed to it.5 -
It baffles me why people don't understand that some people can't afford to pay £12.50 per day, in other words have a spare £250/£300 pm lying around.
Considering I thought that the majority have very little savings/have the financial surplus to be able to save, where will people find this money from?
I'm not talking about myself, I had to sell my diesel car (bought because government recommended) a few years ago, when the previous ULEZ was introduced.
I was fortunate enough to be able to afford a newer replacement.7 -
Nothing worse than pointless government interference. Just leave people alone.0
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MartinCAFC said:seth plum said:Young Ella died from the air pollution according to the experts. That was ten years ago.
If the present ULEZ expansion saves the life of one more child over the next ten years will it have been worth it?
But of course for £12.50 a day you can continue using your non compliant vehicle topping up the TFL coffers which shows what the scheme's all about.Firstly, you can’t just ban non compliant vehicles outright, certainly not after you’ve had a consultation. There’d be and even bigger rebellion that there is already. And there would be legal challenges.Secondly, owners receiving a free compliant vehicle would be great, but it would be hugely expensive and would need massive funding from the government. That won’t happen. They already fund all the other ULEZ schemes in the country, but they won’t fund London’s for obvious political reasons. It was their idea, but they love the fact that it’s a vote loser for Labour, and they very much want to pin the blame on Khan.
The £12.50 charge will, over time, reduce the number of non compliant cars on the road. The revenue goes towards the implementation of the scheme, and any profits goes towards new bus routes in outer London. Those revenues will fade away as compliant cars replaces non compliant ones.5