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About 3 years I think for some. Certainly I'm under the impression it was stated in 2018 it would come to N/S Circular.Friend Or Defoe said:
This thread is on page 27 and it was expanded into Greater London yesterday. How much notice did Inner London get? Those in outer London would have been more prepared, surely a lot of them would have been driving into the inner zone? I get people's outrage of it, although chances are their car is fine, just find the reactions interesting. I can't recall any cameras in Lewisham being smashed up.valleynick66 said:
Not my point at all.Friend Or Defoe said:
They're probably both correct, but surely the care worker having to pay to drive to work stories would still occur in inner London? Yet, where they? I think outer London council leaders taking Khan to court (wasting tax payer's money) has massively played into it.valleynick66 said:
I guess in inner London many more do not drive (being so close to the centre) and face far more choices on public transport.Friend Or Defoe said:
When it was introduced in inner London the country was experiencing an economic boom.valleynick66 said:
That was I think more specifically confirming the extension to the south circular which had been forewarned.Chizz said:Had the Mayor not expanded Boris Johnson's ULEZ, he'd have been stripped of post-Covid government support for the Underground. The Transport Minister wrote to the Mayor telling him he had to expand ULEZ in order to receive the bailout required to keep the Underground running.
What would most people's views have been if the ULEZ expansion had been cancelled, but the Underground had been shut?The issue with this latest evolution is timing and lack of notice at a time of financial hardship.Most do not object on the merits of helping improve air quality albeit the gains in outer London may be marginal.
The fact there was hardly any fuss when it was introduced in inner London (by the Tories) compared to the Helen Lovejoy reaction to outer London is extraordinary (by the London Mayor). People can draw their own conclusions as to why.This of course is also a case of NIMBY but regardless the timing and lack of notice are the elements which rile most.
Care to comment on the reasonableness of timing & notice ?
I cant get comfortable that 9 months notice this time is appropriate including going straight to a £12.50 level fine.
Khan was interviewed on BBC News last night and would not answer that point at all. Its ultimately the right thing to do but there are better ways of introducing it.
Part of me wonders if the TFL forecast is flawed and actually it might be cash negative - if we are confident 9/10 cars are compliant maybe the 1/10 will ditch the vehicle and/or not enter the zone and in which case the cash wont flow and it will be a deficit given the infrastructure investment and fees to whoever is outsourced to help run it.
Time will tell as will the rhetoric and campaigning come the mayoral elections.0 -
Ah the old "racists eat breakfast, therefore people who eat breakfast are racist" argumentkentaddick said:the fact the grifter nigel farage has attached himself to the anti ulez campaign tells you all you need to know about those types.2 -
Interestingly Station Road is within the Greater London Boundry and part of the London Borough of Bexley as are a number roads to the right looking towards the retail estate, but are not inside the ULEZ Area.0
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It’s ok. The poor can’t afford to shop in those shops anyway.1
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MrOneLung said:It’s ok. The poor can’t afford to shop in those shops anyway.
They are the demographic least likely to own a car
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It's funny how left-wing types are typically in favour of ULEZ despite it disproportionately affecting the poor.
15 years ago this type of scheme would have been seen as a disaster. Just shows how the demographics of the political divide have changed.10 -
The cleaner air will not affect groups of people disproportionately but everybody much the same.1
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Where were all those protesting outside Downing Street about ULEZ because of £12.50 a day when people’s mortgages went up by hundreds of pounds a month?8
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The truth is the scheme will have an incredibly trivial impact on the air quality in more rural parts of London, but a very real financial impact on people who are already struggling.seth plum said:The cleaner air will not affect groups of people disproportionately but everybody much the same.
If Boris Johnson had brought this in, you would be going mental.6 - Sponsored links:
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He did https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/ultra-low-emission-zonecafcnick1992 said:
The truth is the scheme will have an incredibly trivial impact on the air quality in more rural parts of London, but a very real financial impact on people who are already struggling.seth plum said:The cleaner air will not affect groups of people disproportionately but everybody much the same.
If Boris Johnson had brought this in, you would be going mental.0 -
I meant its arbitrary expansion to the whole of greater London, including areas where air quality is good.0
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It’s a good point and probably why starmer is radio silent about it.cafcnick1992 said:It's funny how left-wing types are typically in favour of ULEZ despite it disproportionately affecting the poor.
15 years ago this type of scheme would have been seen as a disaster. Just shows how the demographics of the political divide have changed.As you infer, the rich ain’t bothered or going to be affected by ULEZ. It’s the lower to medium income people.0 -
The bit of London that disproportionately affects the poor?cafcnick1992 said:I meant its arbitrary expansion to the whole of greater London, including areas where air quality is good.0 -
That bit of London has fantastic public transport infrastructure so it isn't an apples and apples comparison.Friend Or Defoe said:
The bit of London that disproportionately affects the poor?cafcnick1992 said:I meant its arbitrary expansion to the whole of greater London, including areas where air quality is good.
Don't get me wrong - I oppose the scheme in all its forms.0 -
The poorest London live in inner London, unless the good people of Keston and Franborough are now struggling?cafcnick1992 said:It's funny how left-wing types are typically in favour of ULEZ despite it disproportionately affecting the poor.
15 years ago this type of scheme would have been seen as a disaster. Just shows how the demographics of the political divide have changed.
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I have obtained a certificate of compliance for my vehicle which I have been told exempts me from having to pay the ULEZ .
However having been on the ULEZ website I can find no mention of this certificate or anywhere to register it, has anybody else heard of this and if so had success registering?0 -
Slade Green, Crayford, Erith, Thamesmead........Rothko said:
The poorest London live in inner London, unless the good people of Keston and Franborough are now struggling?cafcnick1992 said:It's funny how left-wing types are typically in favour of ULEZ despite it disproportionately affecting the poor.
15 years ago this type of scheme would have been seen as a disaster. Just shows how the demographics of the political divide have changed.4 -
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/compliance-registration/before-you-startBournesnr said:I have obtained a certificate of compliance for my vehicle which I have been told exempts me from having to pay the ULEZ .
However having been on the ULEZ website I can find no mention of this certificate or anywhere to register it, has anybody else heard of this and if so had success registering?
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Only he didn't. Yes it was his idea yet a decade later Khan brings it in.Friend Or Defoe said:
He did https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/ultra-low-emission-zonecafcnick1992 said:
The truth is the scheme will have an incredibly trivial impact on the air quality in more rural parts of London, but a very real financial impact on people who are already struggling.seth plum said:The cleaner air will not affect groups of people disproportionately but everybody much the same.
If Boris Johnson had brought this in, you would be going mental.0 - Sponsored links:
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I wouldn’t have a car if I lived in inner LondonRothko said:2 -
It took me about 3 months to get it approved by TFL.Bournesnr said:I have obtained a certificate of compliance for my vehicle which I have been told exempts me from having to pay the ULEZ .
However having been on the ULEZ website I can find no mention of this certificate or anywhere to register it, has anybody else heard of this and if so had success registering?0 -
Mate's Mrs (They're in Slade Green) is still waiting for Certificate of Conformity from Mercedes as her car is over the required age for diesel cars to comply, but emits under the required amount of NOx. She's been waiting a couple of months and called them last week, to be told they're working through a backlog. I understand it's the same story at the next hurdle regarding getting it processed by TFL. Meantime, the car is sat in their parking bay, while they work out a route for her to get to her jobs without going past a camara. Apparently it's do'able in Slade Green
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Actually poorer people are more likely to live on busier roads with worse air quality whist those better off can pay for quieter roads.seth plum said:The cleaner air will not affect groups of people disproportionately but everybody much the same.1 -
You'd be surprised actually how bad the air quality is in seemly green bits of outer London. Bexley is one such example. Due to its topography - it basically sits in a dip - a large amount of poor quality air from inner London gathers there. It resulted in higher incidence rates of air quality related diseases such as excema and asthama, particularly amongst children growing up there. This is what our doctor told us regarding me and my siblings suffering from those growing up there...cafcnick1992 said:I meant its arbitrary expansion to the whole of greater London, including areas where air quality is good.
Baffles me how Bexley can be so opposed to it.5 -
It baffles me why people don't understand that some people can't afford to pay £12.50 per day, in other words have a spare £250/£300 pm lying around.
Considering I thought that the majority have very little savings/have the financial surplus to be able to save, where will people find this money from?
I'm not talking about myself, I had to sell my diesel car (bought because government recommended) a few years ago, when the previous ULEZ was introduced.
I was fortunate enough to be able to afford a newer replacement.7 -
Nothing worse than pointless government interference. Just leave people alone.0
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You hear this argument with every scheme like this.MartinCAFC said:
If it truly was about cleaning up the air then non compliant vehicles would be banned outright with owners receiving a compliant vehicle in exchange free of charge.seth plum said:Young Ella died from the air pollution according to the experts. That was ten years ago.
If the present ULEZ expansion saves the life of one more child over the next ten years will it have been worth it?
But of course for £12.50 a day you can continue using your non compliant vehicle topping up the TFL coffers which shows what the scheme's all about.Firstly, you can’t just ban non compliant vehicles outright, certainly not after you’ve had a consultation. There’d be and even bigger rebellion that there is already. And there would be legal challenges.Secondly, owners receiving a free compliant vehicle would be great, but it would be hugely expensive and would need massive funding from the government. That won’t happen. They already fund all the other ULEZ schemes in the country, but they won’t fund London’s for obvious political reasons. It was their idea, but they love the fact that it’s a vote loser for Labour, and they very much want to pin the blame on Khan.
The £12.50 charge will, over time, reduce the number of non compliant cars on the road. The revenue goes towards the implementation of the scheme, and any profits goes towards new bus routes in outer London. Those revenues will fade away as compliant cars replaces non compliant ones.5
