ULEZ Checker

kentaddick said:

SporadicAddick said:

kentaddick said:

SporadicAddick said:

WSS said:

kentaddick said:

the uncomfortable reality for people is we'll see more and more crackdowns on carbon emitting machines as we struggle to hit net zero and face down climate change and will make this ULEZ a cakewalk in comparison. The chickens are coming home to roost - you should have done something sooner.

"you"?

Not his / her generation that has caused the issue, but "yours". Just surprised he / she didn't use the word "boomer" just to underline the nonsense of the post. 

Am I wrong? If you really think ulez is the end of restrictions on emission machines like cars you’re extremely mistaken. Global warming is only going to get worse, and there’s one particular generation who’s done nothing to stop it.

I think we've been here before with one of your "boomer" (fuck me what a dreadful word) generational conversations before.

Of course your "accusation" is bollocks, unless you are adamant that you would have behaved differently had you been born 20 / 30 years earlier. If you had been born in 1950 / 60 / 70, what would you have done differently?

I certainly wouldn't have supported wrecking the environment and housing market, and then have the gall to complain about the chickens coming home to roost later in my life. The science has always been there. The boomer generation will be remembered as the most selfish generation of modern times. It's up to everyone else to pick up the pieces. The literal only argument that comes back is "i'm offended by this generalisation because it makes me think I might be responsible for my actions/non actions"

JamesSeed said:

Pretty civilised debate on here compared to Twitter where it’s a real cesspit. Iain Duncan Smith supporting the destruction of the cameras was an eye opener, and the owner of Pimlico Plumbers calling for Khan to be killed has taken it to a whole new level. 

Gotta say Khan has balls for going ahead with this, despite the fact that it’s probably a vote loser and he’s actually receiving death threats. 

kentaddick said:

SporadicAddick said:

kentaddick said:

SporadicAddick said:

kentaddick said:

SporadicAddick said:

kentaddick said:

SporadicAddick said:

WSS said:

kentaddick said:

the uncomfortable reality for people is we'll see more and more crackdowns on carbon emitting machines as we struggle to hit net zero and face down climate change and will make this ULEZ a cakewalk in comparison. The chickens are coming home to roost - you should have done something sooner.

"you"?

Not his / her generation that has caused the issue, but "yours". Just surprised he / she didn't use the word "boomer" just to underline the nonsense of the post. 

Am I wrong? If you really think ulez is the end of restrictions on emission machines like cars you’re extremely mistaken. Global warming is only going to get worse, and there’s one particular generation who’s done nothing to stop it.

I think we've been here before with one of your "boomer" (fuck me what a dreadful word) generational conversations before.

Of course your "accusation" is bollocks, unless you are adamant that you would have behaved differently had you been born 20 / 30 years earlier. If you had been born in 1950 / 60 / 70, what would you have done differently?

I certainly wouldn't have supported wrecking the environment and housing market, and then have the gall to complain about the chickens coming home to roost later in my life. The science has always been there. The boomer generation will be remembered as the most selfish generation of modern times. It's up to everyone else to pick up the pieces. The literal only argument that comes back is "i'm offended by this generalisation because it makes me think I might be responsible for my actions/non actions"

Who did support it? People getting on with their lives in the context of the times? If you had been born in 1950, would you have refused to buy a house when you were in your twenties on the basis that at some undetermined point in the future, things might look different?

Of course you wouldn't have, because you wouldn't have had the context to understand the impact of your decision.

I'll trade your "boomer" for "snowflake". 

I think this interaction has shown it's boomers who are the snowflakes. Take your medicine, as i said - the chickens are coming home to roost.

But what are the acts that that generation undertook that we are now feeling the repercussions of, and what would you, in the context of the time and available knowledge, have done differently? It's a fair question. 

ps I'm not a member of the "baby boomer" generation...

I think this is clearly an attempt at sealioning - Considering this is a thread re the ULEZ and what's been mentioned about global warming, health etc as well as other crushing economic factors in the south east and the capital I think it's pretty self evident. 

Let's get the conversation back on topic - ULEZ will not be the last restriction on carbon emitting machines, and I can't believe people are shocked other than it's taken us this long. Hopefully we'll see it nationwide before long.

seth plum said:

cafc999 said:

seth plum said:

Friend Or Defoe said:

seth plum said:

On a side note, I hear the turning of central Lewisham into Dallas is not a success. Unaffordable brutalist clusters of high rises where the lifts and plumbing is regularly going wrong.
It has been going on for years, and the people obliged to use the bus stops down the slope from the station and the DLR are forced by the building companies to virtually stand on the busy A20 one way system breathing in the (compliant?) exhaust fumes from all the traffic.

Yeah the building work has been a prick, not enough space for people to get about. They seem to be full though so unaffordable is a slightly strong. The ones near the railway line from where Carpet Right was to where the scrape heap was are student accommodations.

When there was ‘consultation’ with the building company proposing the development at Leegate what they meant by ‘affordable’ it was awkward for them. I cited the salary of a graduate staff nurse with eight years experience at Lewisham Hospital as a helpful starting point for the conversation, there was no answer beyond taking my details and promising to get back to me, which never happened.
Unaffordable might come across as slightly strong, but maybe those brutalist structures have been bought by property businesspeople who are squeezing rents out of whoever.
I doubt if any of those places are affordable for a food delivery person working eleven hour days seven days a week.

Yet the council gave them permission to build, then build more and then build some more

Yes. I wouldn’t be surprised if backhanders were involved.
Very poor development.

kentaddick said:

JamesSeed said:

kentaddick said:

SporadicAddick said:

kentaddick said:

SporadicAddick said:

WSS said:

kentaddick said:

the uncomfortable reality for people is we'll see more and more crackdowns on carbon emitting machines as we struggle to hit net zero and face down climate change and will make this ULEZ a cakewalk in comparison. The chickens are coming home to roost - you should have done something sooner.

"you"?

Not his / her generation that has caused the issue, but "yours". Just surprised he / she didn't use the word "boomer" just to underline the nonsense of the post. 

Am I wrong? If you really think ulez is the end of restrictions on emission machines like cars you’re extremely mistaken. Global warming is only going to get worse, and there’s one particular generation who’s done nothing to stop it.

I think we've been here before with one of your "boomer" (fuck me what a dreadful word) generational conversations before.

Of course your "accusation" is bollocks, unless you are adamant that you would have behaved differently had you been born 20 / 30 years earlier. If you had been born in 1950 / 60 / 70, what would you have done differently?

I certainly wouldn't have supported wrecking the environment and housing market, and then have the gall to complain about the chickens coming home to roost later in my life. The science has always been there. The boomer generation will be remembered as the most selfish generation of modern times. It's up to everyone else to pick up the pieces. The literal only argument that comes back is "i'm offended by this generalisation because it makes me think I might be responsible for my actions/non actions"

It’s easy to say that with hindsight. Those of us who grew up in the sixties were just getting on with our lives. When I bought my first flat in the seventies 22 grand felt like a lot of money, at probably five times my salary as it was then. 

I wouldn’t say we were selfish, just very lucky.
If you need someone to blame, blame the Tories (other parties are available). 

it wasn't simply luck - your parents generation - the greatest generation, the one that grew up through the great depression and defeated fascism, created a world for you in which you could afford to buy a house on a single salary and be able to buy somewhere 5x your salary. They also created a world in which if you were out of work you could fall back on the welfare state etc. 

The boomers have since voted in droves to pull the ladder up and destroy the world their parents built for them (brexit, some wallies still saying we should dissolve NATO). As well as destroying the planet. Don't be shocked now that it's now going to be time to pay the piper.