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MATCH THREAD: Crawley vs Charlton | EFL Trophy | Tues 5th Sept 2023 [+ POST P21]
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Competence across the board has been dire for years. Roddy is clearly slipping through the cracks like some other youth players. Getting contracts until 21-22 when it's clear they're levels below.ForeverAddickted said:
You dont think its easy for a club to say thanks, and quietly release him if they really didn't want him around? - Especially as there is no one here now who signed him in the first place?SELR_addicks said:
Makes it worse. Won't admit clear mistakes.ForeverAddickted said:
Well his Dad isn't around to enforce us to give him a new Contract a few months ago, nor put him on the bench against Cheltenham on the final day, or tonight.SELR_addicks said:Only one reason why Roddy is a professional footballer.
Shouldn't be anywhere near a League One starting line up, even in a meaningless cup.
He's sub League Two and 20 years old.0 -
Roddy gives very little in attack, so unless he's really solid defensively, offers little to a modern team.
Kirk didn't help him to be fair. Does Kirk know you can't be offside from a throw in?0 -
No but they made 8 changes from Saturday.killerandflash said:AFKABartram said:
I’m with you mate on going OTT on non-important games, but…. there’s no disputing we lose games with our strongest team and we lose games with our weakened teams against lesser weakened teams.killerandflash said:Some ridiculously ott comments here
Yes I would have wanted a win, and yes the defending was awful, but that was way below our strongest team AND our best players on the night were subbed to manage minutes.
The two full backs we finished with were the 4th choice RB and 3rd choice LB, neither will play in the league this season. We had 3 senior CBs missing too.
8 games, 6 defeats. International break is desperately needed. Shame it doesn’t last for months.
The point is, we weren't prioritising winning the game tonight. Indeed our subs made us weaker, no way would those 2 full backs have come on if this was a must win game.
I doubt Crawley had 4 players missing on international duty either.
We used 16 players tonight, 13 of which have, or will be first team players this season.
It's disingenuous to say we had 4 players missing for international duty. One hasn't played for us, one has been our 2nd choice keeper and one comes on for 10 minutes at the end (normally so.we can conced late on).
We had enough available to be beating Crawley's first team.18 -
Crawley are 16th in League 2 and made 8 changes tonight. They play in front of 3,000 people. Our budgets are light and day apart and our squad playing should be far superior to their squad playing.killerandflash said:AFKABartram said:
I’m with you mate on going OTT on non-important games, but…. there’s no disputing we lose games with our strongest team and we lose games with our weakened teams against lesser weakened teams.killerandflash said:Some ridiculously ott comments here
Yes I would have wanted a win, and yes the defending was awful, but that was way below our strongest team AND our best players on the night were subbed to manage minutes.
The two full backs we finished with were the 4th choice RB and 3rd choice LB, neither will play in the league this season. We had 3 senior CBs missing too.
8 games, 6 defeats. International break is desperately needed. Shame it doesn’t last for months.
The point is, we weren't prioritising winning the game tonight. Indeed our subs made us weaker, no way would those 2 full backs have come on if this was a must win game.
I doubt Crawley had 4 players missing on international duty either.That’s not my point though, which was more that there is no surprise people are peed off, as losing that tonight isn’t even a shock to anyone. It’s becoming the norm.21 -
Couldn't really care about this competition & is one of the reasons I hate being stuck in the 3rd tier.
However, our defence has been all over the shop this season & one reason why is because its stuffed full of youngsters. We need experienced pro's out there - 28/30 year olds who have played 350/400 games.
We are in for a very hard season.4 -
I’ve been supporting Charlton since 1959.I’m ashamed of what we’ve become.3
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8 games and 6 defeats, when you put it like that, is damning.
And the two wins were narrow ones against struggling sides at The Valley.As has been said; international break, the right manager appointed and allowing him to bring his own staff (with some defensive coaches perhaps) is essential.
No pressure Andy Scott.2 -
"This is such good shit!"Cafc43v3r said:
Cos Vince McMahon made us sign him?SELR_addicks said:Only one reason why Roddy is a professional footballer.
Shouldn't be anywhere near a League One starting line up, even in a meaningless cup.1 -
Wonder if there are any on the free agent list? Can we sign out of contract players now?golfaddick said:Couldn't really care about this competition & is one of the reasons I hate being stuck in the 3rd tier.
However, our defence has been all over the shop this season & one reason why is because its stuffed full of youngsters. We need experienced pro's out there - 28/30 year olds who have played 350/400 games.
We are in for a very hard season.0 -
I wish we'd stop making excuses or glossing over how bad we've become.
Winning is a good habit to get into. Whoever plays in the side.
Our reserve goalkeeper is terrible
Our back four/three have been constantly over run, unorganised and lacking in leadership, discipline and desire all year.
Our midfield is devoid of two of its better players and the fabled dead ball specialist from Burton has forgotten how to kick the fucking dead ball.
Blackett Taylor
May
Campbell
Campbell
Leaburn
Can't win it by themselves, despite trying bloody hard to.
We have forgotten how to win games.
That is simply unacceptable. Whichever way you look at it.24 - Sponsored links:
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Palsam3110 said:
"This is such good shit!"Cafc43v3r said:
Cos Vince McMahon made us sign him?SELR_addicks said:Only one reason why Roddy is a professional footballer.
Shouldn't be anywhere near a League One starting line up, even in a meaningless cup.1 -
I Want us to win every game we are in whatever competitiongolfaddick said:Couldn't really care about this competition & is one of the reasons I hate being stuck in the 3rd tier.
However, our defence has been all over the shop this season & one reason why is because its stuffed full of youngsters. We need experienced pro's out there - 28/30 year olds who have played 350/400 games.
We are in for a very hard season.
I agree Golfie, weve now been beaten by both Newport and Crawley quite easily and if we went down to league2 we would struggle
not enough experience in squad and we think the youngsters are better than they actually are,Ness and elewere prime examples0 -
I think our first choice back 4 will end up beinggolfaddick said:Couldn't really care about this competition & is one of the reasons I hate being stuck in the 3rd tier.
However, our defence has been all over the shop this season & one reason why is because its stuffed full of youngsters. We need experienced pro's out there - 28/30 year olds who have played 350/400 games.
We are in for a very hard season.
26, 27, 31, 25
That's good ages.
Dobson, Camara and Fraser are 25, 26 and 28
May is 30, CBT is 25
That's not a young team.0 -
At the game behind the goal. Will have to watch again on CTV because it all looked pretty terrible from where I was standing and Crawley seemed to run rings round us for most of the match. With their B team.What the hell our best defence is I have no idea. Jones maybe? Hector? We’ll have to hope Abankwah is a proper player, because I think we’re going to need him. And full backs? Edun isn’t convincing at the moment. Asiimwe is 18. Watson isn’t fit. Chin is tidy. Feel sorry for Ness who looked so good but has lost his confidence.
Kirk’s performance today showed how much we miss CBT when he’s not playing. Give him the ball and he’ll skin his defender at will. Kirk tried the same trick towards the end of the match and the defender just wasn’t having it. Kirk is VERY good at receiving the ball and passing it back again.At least I saw a brilliant strike from Dobbo, but his lack of any sort of celebration shows how embarrassed the players seem to feel about their current situation.2 -
Defensively inexcusable
there will be bleating about they’re so young
but they’ve been In organised football coached several times a week for years
At any level above Sunday pub football they’ll get torn new arseholes for that
Crawley made loads of changes
that was piss weak opposition
and it outscored us in simple fashion
Scott Rodwell and the rest of this rabble of tossers are lumbered with this tuppeny ha’penny squad of throwbacks pisstakers and schoolboys
The jury is in
this season is a write off
we’ve been conned and they’re laughing at us while they count their fancy new salaries
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They looked faster to the ball most of the match and wanted it more.
They cut us apart on numerous occasions, especially after the substitutes and ‘formation change’.
Powerpuff going forward and defending (across the team) terrible.
I really want Kirk to do well but offered nothing.
I guess we didn’t care about winning and just gave some players a run out, otherwise at 3-2 we should have tightened it up a bit (even if they are League 2), so unsure about the decisions.
Nice bar though and new ground1 -
2 upsides for the eternally optimistic. 1. A whole 10 days without this shit in our lives and 2. Another new manager bounce to look forward to0
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I can forgive tonight given the age and inexperience of the personnel, especially at the end, but those lads are training with the first team squad and therefore you would assume all working on the same tactics and the same shape. Well, the new manager needs to be hired sharpish and to get working on changing it because we managed to made Crawley reserves look like Barcelona at times this evening.
Also, I bloody hate 4-3-3 as it just leave full backs horribly exposed.0 -
Chaotic is how I'd describe how we are functioning as a Club right now, making it up as we go along with inconsistent team selections and formations, albeit that our perpetual injury crisis doesn't help. It feels as though we're throwing mud against the walls and hoping some will stick. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, but that's how what we're seeing comes across to me.
Whoever is next in the hot seat needs to restore pride and order above all else, but I fear it will take them time to work out how to best utilize the players available and transform them into some semblance of a cohesive unit because we're a way off that at present and going on a winning run light years away.3 -
Appointing a manager will be easy, the right one ? What decent manager in their right mind will want to come to CAFC ?Valley11 said:8 games and 6 defeats, when you put it like that, is damning.
And the two wins were narrow ones against struggling sides at The Valley.As has been said; international break, the right manager appointed and allowing him to bring his own staff (with some defensive coaches perhaps) is essential.
No pressure Andy Scott.0 - Sponsored links:
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Appleton’s really going to have his work cut out. If it’s him, as someone was saying after the match.
Agree with the @HandG that 433 is horrible defensively. I’d like to see 442, with CBT on the left in midfield. With two upfront May and Leaburn/Tedic.0 -
What have we become, when a supporter can not only think this shit, but type it out on a public forum for all to see? Now, when I say 'this shit', I'm not having a go at you Uboat; there is a logic to what you say and in some ways it's almost a seductive argument. But wow, what an absolutely pitiful existence we are living where fans can legitimately want to see us out of the country's (if, no longer, the World's) most prestigious cup competition. It's an absolute disgrace.Uboat said:
It’s essential that we go out to someone like Portsmouth in the first round. We must not play a non-league team and we must not progress to the 3rd round.ValleyGary said:I’m actually dreading the FA Cup.1 -
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Didn't realise we had a game. Shame I found out and read through the thread. I follow the U18's results and love seeing the kids come through but have noticed the last two seasons we have won the league by often winning games by outscoring teams; ie lots of 5-2; 4-3 type results.
I don't watch the games but had wondered if our forwards were very good (Casey; Kanu etc) but our defenders would struggle with the step up....
I had high hopes for Elerwere when he broke through but he seems out of depth from what I have read so far. Roddy should not be at the club. Ness has a long way to go and Isted has sounded poor so far (Thankfully I have not seen a ame this season!)0 -
Well, I watched the game on Charlton TV and enjoyed very little of it. I think we have a decent squad tucked away somewhere in there...... with some of the guys who played tonight together with some who weren't picked or available for tonight.
As far as the squad goes, it's going to take sometime for us to get the right blend of experience, youth, attitude and talent together, at least the next couple of transfer windows........ and that is likely to be a painful watch.
Surely it's easier/quicker to get the right set of coaches into the club now that we've had a bit of a clearout, there's no reason for it not to happen.
When we get the right people, we'll get the new manger bounce and then another bounce from the team being better coached and organised and from the tactics being better executed.
There are no coaching wrong un's to ship out and we don't have to wait for any contracts to run down, we just have to go out and recruit right. This is much more of an immediate measure of Andy Scott than the last transfer window was.
Regarding the clearout though, I do wonder why Anthony Hayes wasn't given the interim job over Jason Pearce, doesn't an Assistant Manager trump an Academy coach?0 -
Not bothered by this Tin Pot cup....kids got a run out and Miles scored a superb header. Rest is blah....enjoy the 2 weeks off all1
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Slept on it and I am actually really disappointed still. I understand people want to try and maintain positive no matter what and I respect that, but we just had Crawley Town's second team put 4 past a match day squad that was largely our full strength team in a league game.
I spoke to 6 Crawley Town fans after the game and they all said the same stuff. That Leaburn and Tyreece Campbell look like proper players, we looked like we had no idea how to play football, no strategy, we just played it sideways and gambled one of our forwards would do something. They aren't wrong either and it was good to get perspectives from fans who watch their team play (on paper) weaker clubs every week. They said there was literally no difference between us and a league 2 side.
I understand Pearce has only just inherited the team, but you have to question the culture of our club from top to bottom, that these lads can't handle playing a team from the division below who are also fielding a weakened side.
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The most worrying thing I heard was the post match analysis from Jason Pearce, was that he admitted they would have more of the ball cause of their style of play. Crawley Town were the favourites to go down this season and we are conceding that they will see more of the ball because of their style of play?
Jesus Wept, thank God Jason Pearce isn't in the frame, what a terrible mindset as a coach to concede a team from the division below, especially Crawley (no disrespect) will play us off the park.
The sad thing is it actually worked out that way cause we are tactically inept and they were passing it about second half like we were a nothing side.
Why we are so against this competition is beyond my understanding, it's revenue for the club, it ends with a trip to Wembley with potentially a trophy, it sets a winning culture to a squad that otherwise won't get to lift another trophy if we are honest. I'd love to see this club lift this trophy at Wembley against the likes of a Derby, Bolton, Bradford, Pompey etc.
Anyway torrid result and the only positive was that Tyreece Campbell keeps getting better & Miles looked strong in the hold up. Other than that what a load of pony, some of these youngsters are desperately in need of a loan and instead they're in or around our match day squad.
Final note I got barricaded in the Crawley Leisure park and thought what a way to end the night, luckily none other than Deji Elerewe and his brother Kunlee (who is absolutely spot on) were on hand to help. They lifted the barrier and allowed me to not have an even more miserable night. Proper nice family and I told Deji we really want it to work for him and good luck etc. Out of the youth he is one I think actually has a moderately high ceiling but he just needs more time in the game.
Posted a lot there so my bad just a fair bit I wanted to say.
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Wow….that is so so poor.clive said:0 -
Another embarrassing night to add to a long list over the past 15 years.
Despite being tactically a shambles and lacking proper leaders, I don’t remember seeing a more unfit squad ever.5
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