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Michael Appleton - March 2025 appointed Shrewsbury manager (p124)
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I don't think this squad can deliver promotionCallumcafc said:One half of the NTT20 duo gives his opinion.2 -
He has got a better CV than Holden and Garner had when we appointed them.Rob7Lee said:
Is he an improvement on Holden, Garner, Jackson, Adkins, Bowyer or Robinson? I don't think so (not saying he's worse than all of them, but he's certainly not any better), and herein lies the problem, Managers are continually fired based on results, if I continually kept firing the managers below me since 2016 due to results my bosses would long ago have worked out that it wasn't necessarily them that was the problem!Cafc43v3r said:
Interesting list, would probably help if you added some context to it like he resigned from Portsmouth (who were in administration) to take the Blackpool job which he left to take the Blackburn job.Rob7Lee said:WhenI first saw the headline I thought it was a joke, my oh my, how far are we falling, if he's the best we can come up with god help us.
Portsmouth short stint and relegated
Blackpool lasted about 10 games/2 months
Blackburn see Blackpool
Oxford couple of years, did get them from League two to League one and wembley
Coach at Leicester & west Brom
Couple of years at Lincoln, did little
6 months back at Blackpool, one win in eleven games, sacked
We've gone for a bang average (at best) League one manager, but then right now we are a bang average league one club. I literally give up, I honestly think me and a few of my apprentices at work would have more idea of how to run a football club than the Charlie's we've had the last 8 years.
I am starting to wonder if we've become so toxic as an employer we are literally fishing in the bottom of the pond as surely this isn't the best available, but must be the best of who would work here.
You also missed the play off final with Lincoln.
It's not brilliant but it's not "announce relegation now" bad as some are making out. We will finish about 10th because that's about how good our squad is.
You have to start to believe (or I do) that we are now attracting a certain type/level of manager for a reason, that reason is the clowns at the helm for the past x number of years.
We struck lucky with Bowyer who if I remember originally joined a day a week to help coach/pass on knowledge to our midfield. Jackson in reality was always a shoe in due to his love and desire to manage CAFC, he'd have done so under almost any terms. But was Holden a poor manager, was Garner, was Jackson? I don't believe so.
I give Appleton less than a year, not because he's necessarily an awful manager, but simply because he'll be fired on results and in the current CAFC climate we aren't ever going to be good enough to mount a serious promotion challenge so when we limp to about 13th place this season it'll be 'all change' once again. Appleton is a Russell Spade type appointment.
I am not sure what your saying, is it:
1) Appleton is an awful manager
2) He won't get back sufficiently so will fail and ultimately be sacked.
Or both?
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Also love the way they mention that his last job was at ‘championship’ Blackpool but fail to mention that he took them down.JFo said:I’ll reserve judgment, but it’s pretty cheeky for the club website to say he “has worked at the very top level” when in fact he oversaw one single premier league game as an interim boss.3 -
Went out for a nice lunch at a swish local hostelry, had a lovely time, drunk too much, ate too much, in fact it was a jolly good time, just made it back home and logged onto CL to find this, and 330 posts, oh well, at least part of my day went according to plan...
I suppose I will have to say welcome...🤞0 -
Warburton was my first choice however I am not writing Appleton off before a ball is kicked. His record at both Oxford and Lincoln wasn’t bad so he has my full support for now.1
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Had a bit of a ramble about it on the bird app, but what's up with all the generalisations?
I have read stuff like 'our fans are morons' 'our fans love being miserable' 'our fans haven't got a clue'.
Those types of sweeping generalisations are far more toxic than those who express their concerns over decisions being made at our football club.
I am fairly confident most of the people who attend games and have voiced their concerns will continue to do so and not be 'miserable' if Charlton manage to climb the table. They/I especially won't be enraged if it's because of Appleton's doing.
Really winds me up, we are allowed as fans to show concern as this appointment reeks of desperation early doors, if the fans who think so are wrong then happy days.
The digs among fans really winds me up, challenge opinions and ask why people may think that way, fine. Calling people morons or saying they enjoy being miserable is frankly bizarre and out of order.
That said good luck to him, I feel completely uninspired by the appointment but I really hope he can do the business14 -
Fair to feel that way but your two previous comments on this thread have been:Braziliance said:Had a bit of a ramble about it on the bird app, but what's up with all the generalisations?
I have read stuff like 'our fans are morons' 'our fans love being miserable' 'our fans haven't got a clue'.
Those types of sweeping generalisations are far more toxic than those who express their concerns over decisions being made at our football club.
I am fairly confident most of the people who attend games and have voiced their concerns will continue to do so and not be 'miserable' if Charlton manage to climb the table. They/I especially won't be enraged if it's because of Appleton's doing.
Really winds me up, we are allowed as fans to show concern as this appointment reeks of desperation early doors, if the fans who think so are wrong then happy days.
The digs among fans really winds me up, challenge opinions and ask why people may think that way, fine. Calling people morons or saying they enjoy being miserable is frankly bizarre and out of order.
That said good luck to him, I feel completely uninspired by the appointment but I really hope he can do the business
“ A managerial appointment fit for a group of chancers. More chance of relegation than promotion now if we're honest ”“… I am expecting the worst new manager bounce we have ever had in recent history. The two year contract suggests they are expecting him to fail/considering sacking him if it goes wrong …”
If that’s not writing him off before a ball’s been kicked I don’t know what is.
Only pulled your comments because I’m replying to you but there are many others like it, or worse, already. The majority of the fanbase will have egg on their faces if this appointment works out well.4 -
Wanted Brady or Bonner as top choices.
Powell / Bowyer / Moore would have been very happy too.
Absolutely did not want the Cowleys and was confident that wasn't going to happen anyway.
Appleton seems like an odd choice and a risky one. If it backfires this SMT are going to have a remarkably low level of credibility early in their tenure.
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I have no doubt a fully fit squad can deliver but how many years has it been since we had a fully fit squad ?BigRedEvil said:
I don't think this squad can deliver promotionCallumcafc said:One half of the NTT20 duo gives his opinion.1 -
BigRedEvil said:
I don't think this squad can deliver promotionCallumcafc said:One half of the NTT20 duo gives his opinion.
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I heard Warburton wanted too much dough...MintoHumbugs said:Warburton was my first choice however I am not writing Appleton off before a ball is kicked. His record at both Oxford and Lincoln wasn’t bad so he has my full support for now.
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BigRedEvil said:
I don't think this squad budget can deliver promotionCallumcafc said:One half of the NTT20 duo gives his opinion.
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Got to agree to a degree with Elek, when you look at the list of players,...the sum of it's parts don't add up to the total given on the pitch, and should be capable of a lot more, just need organising... anyway we will see eh...11
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I am specifically talking about fan on fan stuff here mate and how I don't like fans getting personal amongst ourselves.Callumcafc said:
Fair to feel that way but your two previous comments on this thread have been:Braziliance said:Had a bit of a ramble about it on the bird app, but what's up with all the generalisations?
I have read stuff like 'our fans are morons' 'our fans love being miserable' 'our fans haven't got a clue'.
Those types of sweeping generalisations are far more toxic than those who express their concerns over decisions being made at our football club.
I am fairly confident most of the people who attend games and have voiced their concerns will continue to do so and not be 'miserable' if Charlton manage to climb the table. They/I especially won't be enraged if it's because of Appleton's doing.
Really winds me up, we are allowed as fans to show concern as this appointment reeks of desperation early doors, if the fans who think so are wrong then happy days.
The digs among fans really winds me up, challenge opinions and ask why people may think that way, fine. Calling people morons or saying they enjoy being miserable is frankly bizarre and out of order.
That said good luck to him, I feel completely uninspired by the appointment but I really hope he can do the business
“ A managerial appointment fit for a group of chancers. More chance of relegation than promotion now if we're honest ”“… I am expecting the worst new manager bounce we have ever had in recent history. The two year contract suggests they are expecting him to fail/considering sacking him if it goes wrong …”
If that’s not writing him off before a ball’s been kicked I don’t know what is.
Only pulled your comments because I’m replying to you but there are many others like it, or worse, already. The majority of the fanbase will have egg on their faces if this appointment works out well.
I will openly admit I think our new ownership are dodgy like the last handful and I expect this to all go wrong at some point.
There is no part of my post that is an attack on a fan.
I want what's best for Charlton, if I think a manager is pants or our owners are potentially tossers, I am going to say that.
However I won't jump on a fellow fans back for voicing their view as I know there's every chance I could be sitting next to them at some point and we both have a common interest.
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I should have put money on it, could smell this appointment.1
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He's been given a 2 year contract.Bournemouth Addick said:Seems a good day to break my CL self enforced retreat and start posting again. Or maybe not, well see. Like most it seems my whelm is very much undered and I think he has a no more than a handful of games to turn it around. I'm not at all confident.
FWIW, and in a true football forum cliché, my Oxford supporting relative rates him and says there's still a lot of man love for him there. But that came with a proviso that's under a good board and with lots of stability at the club...so the opposite of us really.0 -
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Will probably turn toxic quite quickly if things don't start well so I hope the players respond to him. Good luck.3
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Sums it up wellNorth Lower Neil said:
Was Holden any different?Garrymanilow said:I think this is the most apathetic I’ve ever felt about a Charlton managerial appointment. Even with Fraeye and Luzon I was enraged or laughing my arse off at how ridiculous it was. This is just nothing
Genuine question.
All feels very similar to me - average lower league manager who's supposed to get the best from an underfunded squad. Not exciting, but not ridiculous.
Rinse, repeat. As you say, all really nothingy.1 -
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I thought it funny that the only picture on MA Coaching career was him next to Roy Hodgson, presumably trying to convince us he’s only worked with the best.0 -
I'm certainly willing to give Appleton a chance, but he doesn't inspire confidence in me - To be fair since Powell, its only Bowyer | Jackson | Adkins, the latter because of his Southampton days that have done that.DDOUBLEE said:
FA, I've always known you to be a very positive poster on this site, and the fact you are down about this appointment shows how bad it's gotten!ForeverAddickted said:
Talking about tactics is all well and goodDDOUBLEE said:And to be honest, no interest in what he says in videos about his tactics, I thought Ben Garner's Spotify interview about his philosophy was brilliant and looked how that turned out
But the one thing everyone seems to forget, is the fact there is another bloke, in the opposite dugout, thinking up his own way to beat you, which may be (and often is) even better than your ideas.
I'll always prefer someone new to Management, over the failed roundabout1 -
All well and good, but if they don't get fans back in the Valley. What then?PeanutsMolloy said:
No, this has been the model (bar the Premiership years) since we returned the The Valley - in truth long before that as well.Showmetheway2gohome said:That is the model since Roland and it continues development of young players and to sell them. Don’t give a fuck about the team the fans the club
We developed and sold Academy products to cover the recurring deficits in the years prior to promotion to the Prem in 1998 (Minto and Bowyer most notably).
Selling young players is not the issue. It's when you sell them.
If the timing is dictated simply by when you desperately need a cash injection, you'll go nowhere.
If, as CM described, the plan is to hang on to them until their value's optimised for CAFC and make at least some of the cash available to strengthen the squad, that's how most EFL clubs can achieved progress and promotion.
They could have sold Leaburn after the takeover was completed on 19 July if they were the penny-pinchers they're accused of being. They probably won't have a choice at the end of the season if he continues his progress as he'll probably have Premier League suitors but that's fine. It should have added to his value.
Time will tell if CM is good to his word and if Appleton can deliver as head coach but as for the owners' motives, as I've said until blue in the face, investing £10m+ in CAFC makes ZERO sense for the large shareholders. Unlike all owners for the past 10+ years (who are patently not interested in the club for money laundering purposes, expansion of a European network, asset-stripping or a vanity project) to aim for anything other than at least 1 promotion.
That's not to say they'll throw stupid money at the squad (they evidently won't and I'm thankful for that because it often fails and you're left in deeper shit) but it should mean they'll likely provide the working capital to enable a manager to build a promotion-capable squad over time albeit, yes, selling homegrown players along the way.
No fans = no club, so these owners do need to spend money, because even Merlin the Fucking Magician will not get much out of our weak squad.
Start so far?
A poor transfer window, sacked Holden, shocking league form, out of 2 cups to shit L2 opposition [& conceding 7 goals in 2 games] and a new head coach who is at best, average - they have not endeared themselves to the paying faithful.
I am trying to think of ONE decision they have got right - maybe you can help on that one?2 -
I think it's a dig at the ownership more than the manager per se..Callumcafc said:
That’s far too sensible…ross1 said:Sorry but I am not reading 350 comments, assume most complaining about Appleton. Unlike most, I will wait until Christmas at least before deciding he must be useless
Good luck MA - sounds like you’ll need it if 90% of the fanbase has turned against you before we’ve even played a match under your leadership.
In interviews just before taking over Methven used the people involved and their high wealth as a smokescreen. He implied that they were some high ballers and that Sandgaard was mad for shunning them we he first apparently rebuffed their approach. It all gave the impression that they were getting involved to really move the club forward. They've been here since Christmas (yada yada)and done anything but.
He is using either them or us for his own gain. I'm not entirely sure how but no doubt it will stink to high heaven4 -
I think he meant demotion…..BigRedEvil said:
I don't think this squad can deliver promotionCallumcafc said:One half of the NTT20 duo gives his opinion.0 -
Spot on. It’s not a dig at him, but it’s just the same old story. Same old transfer window, same new manager, same takeover, and it’s all ended the same. People just give up in the end and unfortunately the manager will get the brunt. I do hope it works as it’s only good for Charlton, but it’s just tiring having to keep backing a new manager.carly burn said:
I think it's a dig at the ownership more than the manager per se..Callumcafc said:
That’s far too sensible…ross1 said:Sorry but I am not reading 350 comments, assume most complaining about Appleton. Unlike most, I will wait until Christmas at least before deciding he must be useless
Good luck MA - sounds like you’ll need it if 90% of the fanbase has turned against you before we’ve even played a match under your leadership.
In interviews just before taking over Methven used the people involved and their high wealth as a smokescreen. He implied that they were some high ballers and that Sandgaard was mad for shunning them we he first apparently rebuffed their approach. It all gave the impression that they were getting involved to really move the club forward. They've been here since Christmas (yada yada)and done anything but.
He is using either them or us for his own gain. I'm not entirely sure how but no doubt it will stink to high heaven2 -
Didn't know he liked Lyle Taylor THAT much, bloody hellkillerandflash said:19 -
The responses to Elek post from Charlton fans are interesting, The general impression outside of our bubble is this is a good squad that should be up there, it's that difference of opinion between us and them, is huge, and makes you think where's the disconnect2
