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Michael Appleton - March 2025 appointed Shrewsbury manager (p124)

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  • edited September 2023
    swordfish said:
    But is your target for automatics what he should be judged by, by anyone other than you?  There are 23 other teams in this league. We are not entitled to beat any of them, all of whom will be trying their beat us. Your target will leave you frustrated all season because, even when we win games, we're likely to be lagging behind it after our start.

    Targets need to reflect what's realistic and at the moment automatics are no more than a pipe dream. I won't deam him a failure for not delivering that and I doubt he's been told that's expected of him.
    Yes of course automatic promotion is my target.
    It may well be that I am the only Charlton Athletic fan who has that aspiration, and other fans are OK about settling for less.
    I can tolerate those fans who would be happy with mid table, but some fans are struggling to tolerate me for wanting more.

    Have you watched the Appleton interview? He himself says a target is a return to the Championship, so that makes two of us at least if Appleton is to be believed.
  • If Appleton has come into this job with no expectations or aspirations to get promoted he is the wrong man for it. I suspect he has though.
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  • seth plum said:
    Interesting.
    Can you tell me more about this? This big difference?
    Shall we start from the notion that a successful first team is a winning first team?
    Glad we agree on the metric of success. 

    We have always produced promising kids - but there’s still room for improvement when it comes to developing a homegrown crop into a successful first team. Certainly in recent times.

    Whether that’s something Appleton is capable of, I have absolutely no idea.
  • We all want promotion ; were we going to get it with Holden? Without injuries probably. But which season were there no real injuries? Probably the seasons we got promoted. It’s the correlation between injuries and wins. High injuries low wins. This is really outside of a managers control. What he can do is set the players out to play a certain way ; Holden failed in this last point. If appleton can sort this out and have low injuries then there is good reason to be at least hopeful. I repeat : Give the bloke a chance to do this …please. 
  • edited September 2023
    seth plum said:
    Yes of course automatic promotion is my target.
    It may well be that I am the only Charlton Athletic fan who has that aspiration, and other fans are OK about settling for less.
    I can tolerate those fans who would be happy with mid table, but some fans are struggling to tolerate me for wanting more.

    Have you watched the Appleton interview? He himself says a target is a return to the Championship, so that makes two of us at least if Appleton is to be believed.
    Yes I did. I found his interview less convincing than some of his predecessors introductory ones who've ultimately failed  tbh, but I'm supportive of his appointment now and banking on him to buck that trend.

    Worryingly for me though, he mentioned returning to the Championship almost as an afterthought having spent time talking about player development and the academy first, which you'll agree isn't the fans priority but what we've been fed for a while as the way forward. 

    Meaning no disrespect to the other CAFC,  but isn't that their MO?  Youth development first, on field success secondary.
  • edited September 2023
    Chunes said:
    A few comments in there saying that Appleton doesn't bother trying to build a connection with the fans. 

    Some of ours will be pleased with that. Won't be seeing him in The Oak. 
    Apart from when he’s working the door. 
  • I suppose whoever got the gig, there was going to be the negatives to contend with, but some of the comments do seem a tad OTT, the guy wasn't my first choice, in fact I quite liked the thought of Bows returning, but I will at least give the guy a chance before hanging him out to dry.
    Oh and yes I want automatics as well, but would do with playoffs...👍🤷‍♂️
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  • I didn’t realise what a big bastard he was. Always thought he was a scrawny bloke. At least he has a presence. I think the first thing he should do is knock out Charlie Kirk. Put a marker down to the rest of the squad!
    Didn't he have him on loan at Blackpool or am I a season out?
  • seth plum said:
    OK.
    We are where we are then, it is what it is.
    So the future starts at Stevenage.
    One game of the one game at a time.
    What Appleton has to do is win that eleven verses eleven one game on the one game at a time principle.
    Then win the very next one game.
    Then win the next one game after that, and carry on winning one game at a time.

    Stevenage is an important game because ultimately, we have started the season poorly and we just need a win.  I don’t think people would/should be on Appleton’s back if we lose, that would be pointless.  I do however think he’s walked into a bit of lion’s den in terms the fans’ patience when it comes to seeing results quickly.  

    That can happen with new managers, look at Jackson until he got offered the full time role.  I’m 100% of the opinion this is a bad appointment and will do nothing to change the pattern of the last few seasons, but it has bought CM & co a bit of time.  The worry for me is that Holden was their boy in Jan and that was only 9 months ago.  

    I know a lot of people are just sick of the negativity or moaning or however they term it, and live in hope that the new mob are able to put in place a bit of stability and turn it round, but all we’ve got to go on so far are actions.  For me it’s a 4/10 for their start.  May, Camara, Tayo and Campbell look like good business so far, getting rid of Holden and the results makes it look like amateur hour, and rumours that the only few we paid came from a sponsor doesn’t inspire.

    I hope fans won’t start digging out Appleton if it takes a few games to get a win, but I do need to see progress come Xmas otherwise it’s clear we’ve probably got another rudderless ship 
  • edited September 2023
    seth plum said:
    Yes of course automatic promotion is my target.
    It may well be that I am the only Charlton Athletic fan who has that aspiration, and other fans are OK about settling for less.
    I can tolerate those fans who would be happy with mid table, but some fans are struggling to tolerate me for wanting more.

    Have you watched the Appleton interview? He himself says a target is a return to the Championship, so that makes two of us at least if Appleton is to be believed.
    Oh I agree. The play offs is the very least I expect from this season. Anything less is failure.

    I don’t think anyone, least of all me, is struggling to tolerate you for wanting more than mid table obscurity. I am struggling though with your belief that lose at Stevenage and Appleton should go.

    And Stevenage could be top of the league by the time we visit next Saturday so I’d suggest a draw would be a decent result in the circumstances.
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  • As I understand it, the interview with Fraser, following Appleton's appointment suggested that the 'modern' style of management, invloves a club higher management choosing and buying, or selling, players as THEY see fit, and the Team manager, simply getting the lads trained and sorting match day squads.

    I'm not so sure that many of those who could have, or did interview, would be accepting of those terms.

    Was it not reported previously that Appleton had gone on record staying that he just wanted any club to give him the chance to prove himself.

    I guess it's old ground now. He's one of us, as opposed to being a outsider, so gets my support. But as with most things Charlton related right now, I remain unconvinced until proven otherwise. 
  • Doubling down on expectations doesn't make them happen.  Hopefully MA can bring some improvements and get us within achieving distance of the play-offs.

    NO-ONE wants to "accept mid table division three".  However not accepting a fact doesn't change it.  We are mid table division three.  I hope MA can make us higher table division three this season.
  • I'm actually really impressed with Scott off the back of his interview around Appleton's appointment. The standards are ultimately what has slipped during Sandgaards reign and I do feel like we've become a club that accepts mediocrity in recent times, let's hope they're more than just empty words and we start to see that ruthless elite level mentality 
  • edited September 2023
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  • He's got to be a better bet than Holden or Garner hasn't he?
    My general feeling about this appointment is one of apathy and resignation.
    We've made disappointment our very best friend and I am finding it difficult invest any passion for fear of being let down again.
    My gut feeling is that he could turn out to be success but who knows.
    I certainly don't think the fanbase is in the mood to be patient.
    I hope to God he doesn't turn up at the Oak for a pint with the lads. Sick of that sort of bonding shit.
    It appears he's the aloof type and that suits me.
    I hope he's allowed to select his back-up team.
    Pearce and Hayes can go back to the children. 
    One thing I want to see is proper progress with our perennially shit set pieces
  • swordfish said:
    Didn't he have him on loan at Blackpool or am I a season out?
    Season out... Kirk was there in 2021/22, Appleton was 2022/23
  • I'm not as down on this as many others seem to be. I agree it doesn't set the pulses racing but according to reports he is good with young players, which by accident or design we will need to rely on this season. I can see the logic. 

    To be honest what i really think we need is someone with tactical nous. Dean was, I think, a good motivator / vibes man but not much more. I reckon with some tactics and good/better coaching we should improve. If it's enough to make the play offs I don't know, but I am pretty certain we weren't getting there under dean, good bloke though he is 
  • edited September 2023
    The mood is such that if we are 1 down at halftime in our next home game, Appleton will get booed off.
    It will be very hard to come back from that.
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