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Michael Appleton - March 2025 appointed Shrewsbury manager (p124)
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Yes I remember. The goal Swindon scored was at the covered end, and beat Kiely diving not that well at his near left hand post.swordfish said:
He's asking if it's a sacking using your yardstick, as well you know?seth plum said:
That would be a bad result.thenewbie said:
Okay here's a hypothetical for you. We play Stevenage (who are in good form right now) and (somehow) Appleton has managed to get the team properly organised. The defence are solid, we have more possessions and shots etc. By every measure we are the better side.seth plum said:
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.thenewbie said:
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.seth plum said:I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me.
Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss.
I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the Stevenage keeper has a blinder and manages to keep a clean sheet and then at the end of the game a fluke ricochet hits one of our defenders and goes in. We lose by 1 goal.
Is that a good result or a bad one?
Would you say being played off the park but getting a smash and grab 1-0 win is a good result?
I'm sure like me you remember when Swindon won at the Valley to end our records breaking run all those years ago when they had one chance after being battered for 90 (you'll remember Willie Carson's smug face) Didn't it hit the post and go in off Kiely's arse?
You must surely take account of the circumstances when passing judgement?
At the time Swindon were in a relegation battle that they eventually lost. Furthermore at half time Charlton generously gave Swindon a gift of money to help with a youth team expense or something, and Willie Carson came onto the pitch to accept the money on behalf of Swindon.
Willie made a little thank you speech and finished off by saying '...and thanks for the three points'. We were 0-1 down at half time still with half the game to play, it was a bad result for us because we did not react in the second half and a good result for Swindon as Willie Carson acknowledged in advance.
I also remember a game at Selhurst Park where we battered Plymouth, but they had I believe their third choice goalkeeper, a blimmin farmer, playing, and he kept us out and they won I believe.
Good result for Plymouth, a bad one for us.
Actually, didn't Fleetwood outplay us for very long periods of the match last Saturday, but still lost, and guess what they then sacked their manager.
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Well remembered Seth! Better than my memory, but, yes you're right, it was a first half goal, my mistake. Remember it in front of us low down to the left, me laughing at it at the time thinking we'd easily do a 'golfie' in the second half. Not that it was known as that then!seth plum said:
Yes I remember. The goal Swindon scored was at the covered end, and beat Kiely diving not that well at his near left hand post.swordfish said:
He's asking if it's a sacking using your yardstick, as well you know?seth plum said:
That would be a bad result.thenewbie said:
Okay here's a hypothetical for you. We play Stevenage (who are in good form right now) and (somehow) Appleton has managed to get the team properly organised. The defence are solid, we have more possessions and shots etc. By every measure we are the better side.seth plum said:
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.thenewbie said:
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.seth plum said:I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me.
Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss.
I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the Stevenage keeper has a blinder and manages to keep a clean sheet and then at the end of the game a fluke ricochet hits one of our defenders and goes in. We lose by 1 goal.
Is that a good result or a bad one?
Would you say being played off the park but getting a smash and grab 1-0 win is a good result?
I'm sure like me you remember when Swindon won at the Valley to end our records breaking run all those years ago when they had one chance after being battered for 90 (you'll remember Willie Carson's smug face) Didn't it hit the post and go in off Kiely's arse?
You must surely take account of the circumstances when passing judgement?
At the time Swindon were in a relegation battle that they eventually lost. Furthermore at half time Charlton generously gave Swindon a gift of money to help with a youth team expense or something, and Willie Carson came onto the pitch to accept the money on behalf of Swindon.
Willie made a little thank you speech and finished off by saying '...and thanks for the three points'. We were 0-1 down at half time still with half the game to play, it was a bad result for us because we did not react in the second half and a good result for Swindon as Willie Carson acknowledged in advance.
I also remember a game at Selhurst Park where we battered Plymouth, but they had I believe their third choice goalkeeper, a blimmin farmer, playing, and he kept us out and they won I believe.
Good result for Plymouth, a bad one for us.
Actually, didn't Fleetwood outplay us for very long periods of the match last Saturday, but still lost, and guess what they then sacked their manager.
Scott Brown wasn't dismissed for having lost one game though. Straw that broke the camel's back I suspect.
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I do wonder, and I don’t have a thought on this either way, and it was an age ago, but Appleton’s move from Pompey to Blackpool, then with a couple of months go to Blackburn (a local rivals of sort), and for it to fail so quickly, has that just haunted him (for want of a better word ever since).Some people have career defining moments, and it definitely didn’t look good, nor did it end good. Maybe, if he had go on to be a success at Blackburn, it wouldn’t have mattered. But it’s the nature of how it happened and the subsequent failure that I think has just been a bit of mark on him ever since2
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with respect to them, what Lincoln and Oxford fans expect from a manager should be VERY different things.Dippenhall said:I'll keep open mind. He's the Charlton Head Coach and until there's reason to do otherwise he should have our support. The image we have has been the character mocked in our threads so did some googling to see how well it is justified. There's an interesting 2021 interview in The Athletic on his career and the negative baggage he's had to carry https://theathletic.com/2421847/2021/03/03/michael-appleton-i-fell-foul-of-not-doing-proper-due-diligence-on-people-i-worked-with/
Googled the local papers for Oxford and Lincoln when he left and they were positive:
Quote Oxford Fans“We had an identity and a way of playing football. I’m completely disappointed, really gutted to be honest, that it’s happened the way it has.
“He was an absolute gentlemen, a lovely bloke to talk to and a lot of people respected him.”
Lincoln Local paper
"Supported by the club’s recruitment team, Appleton made some outstanding signings, producing the best City side in 40 years, which didn’t just win regularly, but did so in style."
"On a personal level, Appleton has been a pleasure to deal with, always open and honest with the media. He’s clearly a talented manager and coach, and after a well-earned break to recharge his batteries, it would be no surprise to see him back in the game very soon, possibly on the coaching staff at a higher-level club."No guarantees with us but seems the pre-conceived perceptions from may not be entirely justified. However, seems "basket case" clubs where he's bombed attract him.
Bit hard not to sound like a "massive" with a comment liike like this I grant you. Perhaps I just need to readjust my expectations down a division - just be happy being in and around league 1 play offs instead.0 -
Pelling1993 said:Im hoping we can secure Hayden Mullins and Darren Purse as coaches just to nip all 3 jokes in the bud at onceHayden Mullins had been out of work since January 2022 when he was sacked as head coach by League Two Colchester (apart from a stint doing a Bowyer at Turks and Caicos Islands earlier this year). I reckon he'd be up for an assistant job in League One.Darren Purse coaches the U23s at Cardiff. I make first-team coach at a League One side a promotion.Let's make the dream happen.
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I think focusing on results is the wrong strategy. Whether you want the gold medal or not does not decide who wins it. Stick with Appleton for a year and we will be challenging.
Lincoln are tiny and he built a good team. Even mcshambles was brilliant.
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Why the delay in naming who Appleton's assistants are?1
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isn't McScandalous injured for like 3 months though?jackmasterflash said:I think focusing on results is the wrong strategy. Whether you want the gold medal or not does not decide who wins it. Stick with Appleton for a year and we will be challenging.
Lincoln are tiny and he built a good team. Even mcshambles was brilliant.0 -
Owners are still going through 15 years of Charlton Life memes.Starinnaddick said:Why the delay in naming who Appleton's assistants are?17 -
I think they want Ventokele in as assistant. But they’re having trouble as he doesn’t existDamoNorthStand said:
Owners are still going through 15 years of Charlton Life memes.Starinnaddick said:Why the delay in naming who Appleton's assistants are?14 - Sponsored links:
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I’ve just got round to watching his interview. Can’t really disagree with any of it, although I’m fascinated/baffled by this exciting project that he was sold at interview.At the end of the day he seems like a decent enough bloke who wants to do a good job, so I wish him the best and will give him my support until the wheels fall off, if indeed they do.I was the same with Garner and Holden too, but hopefully we’ll have a different outcome this time.5
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Kermogrant and Harriotts also being searched forPelling1993 said:
I think they want Ventokele in as assistant. But they’re having trouble as he doesn’t existDamoNorthStand said:
Owners are still going through 15 years of Charlton Life memes.Starinnaddick said:Why the delay in naming who Appleton's assistants are?12 -
Wasn’t it Michael Carrick who hit that shot for Swindon?seth plum said:
Yes I remember. The goal Swindon scored was at the covered end, and beat Kiely diving not that well at his near left hand post.swordfish said:
He's asking if it's a sacking using your yardstick, as well you know?seth plum said:
That would be a bad result.thenewbie said:
Okay here's a hypothetical for you. We play Stevenage (who are in good form right now) and (somehow) Appleton has managed to get the team properly organised. The defence are solid, we have more possessions and shots etc. By every measure we are the better side.seth plum said:
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.thenewbie said:
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.seth plum said:I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me.
Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss.
I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the Stevenage keeper has a blinder and manages to keep a clean sheet and then at the end of the game a fluke ricochet hits one of our defenders and goes in. We lose by 1 goal.
Is that a good result or a bad one?
Would you say being played off the park but getting a smash and grab 1-0 win is a good result?
I'm sure like me you remember when Swindon won at the Valley to end our records breaking run all those years ago when they had one chance after being battered for 90 (you'll remember Willie Carson's smug face) Didn't it hit the post and go in off Kiely's arse?
You must surely take account of the circumstances when passing judgement?
At the time Swindon were in a relegation battle that they eventually lost. Furthermore at half time Charlton generously gave Swindon a gift of money to help with a youth team expense or something, and Willie Carson came onto the pitch to accept the money on behalf of Swindon.
Willie made a little thank you speech and finished off by saying '...and thanks for the three points'. We were 0-1 down at half time still with half the game to play, it was a bad result for us because we did not react in the second half and a good result for Swindon as Willie Carson acknowledged in advance.
I also remember a game at Selhurst Park where we battered Plymouth, but they had I believe their third choice goalkeeper, a blimmin farmer, playing, and he kept us out and they won I believe.
Good result for Plymouth, a bad one for us.
Actually, didn't Fleetwood outplay us for very long periods of the match last Saturday, but still lost, and guess what they then sacked their manager.0 -
Two comments from another club's forum about Appleton's appointment. It seems the rest of the world view us as we view ourselves and Appleton.Amazing how he keeps getting appointments despite not achieving anything except the sack at everywhere he goes except for one good season with Oxford United. I swear that sometimes the managerial round about believes it's own PR at timesHe’s chosen his clubs very unwisely, almost everywhere he’s been bar Oxford has been a basket case. He did well at Lincoln too initially.
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Leuth said:
Yes, nothing says 'respect my authority' more than knocking out the weediest bloke in the room. Although that said, who do we have who's a hard nut? Lloyd Jones is probably the hardest bastard we've got atm. Appleton should still be able to lay him out cold before downing a pint of pig's blood to establish total dominancePelling1993 said:I didn’t realise what a big bastard he was. Always thought he was a scrawny bloke. At least he has a presence. I think the first thing he should do is knock out Charlie Kirk. Put a marker down to the rest of the squad!
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The first is factually incorrect of course, which doesn't really add to the credibility of the posters opinion of him in my view.Addick Addict said:Two comments from another club's forum about Appleton's appointment. It seems the rest of the world view us as we view ourselves and Appleton.Amazing how he keeps getting appointments despite not achieving anything except the sack at everywhere he goes except for one good season with Oxford United. I swear that sometimes the managerial round about believes it's own PR at timesHe’s chosen his clubs very unwisely, almost everywhere he’s been bar Oxford has been a basket case. He did well at Lincoln too initially.
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So who’s on the list of candidates? Who have I missed?DamoNorthStand said:
Owners are still going through 15 years of Charlton Life memes.Starinnaddick said:Why the delay in naming who Appleton's assistants are?
Darren Purse
Hayden Mullins
Julian Gray
Alan McOxo McCormack
Callum Harriotts
Igor Ventokele
Roger F****** Johnson
Kenneth Williams
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My memory says it wasn't even a shot - it was a cross from the right wing, on the ground along the 6-yard box, that Deano dived on to cut out ... but saw it squirm underneath him and in for an OG with about 10 mins played.The Red Robin said:
Wasn’t it Michael Carrick who hit that shot for Swindon?seth plum said:
Yes I remember. The goal Swindon scored was at the covered end, and beat Kiely diving not that well at his near left hand post.swordfish said:
He's asking if it's a sacking using your yardstick, as well you know?seth plum said:
That would be a bad result.thenewbie said:
Okay here's a hypothetical for you. We play Stevenage (who are in good form right now) and (somehow) Appleton has managed to get the team properly organised. The defence are solid, we have more possessions and shots etc. By every measure we are the better side.seth plum said:
You have to start somewhere. So let Stevenage be the first indicator.thenewbie said:
Except the results you want to judge him by are quite frankly ridiculous.seth plum said:I have never communicated with Charlie Methven in any way, nor he me.
Nor have I commented on the footballing ability of the new boss.
I remain in the ‘judge them on results’ category that was fashionable not long ago.
Except the Stevenage keeper has a blinder and manages to keep a clean sheet and then at the end of the game a fluke ricochet hits one of our defenders and goes in. We lose by 1 goal.
Is that a good result or a bad one?
Would you say being played off the park but getting a smash and grab 1-0 win is a good result?
I'm sure like me you remember when Swindon won at the Valley to end our records breaking run all those years ago when they had one chance after being battered for 90 (you'll remember Willie Carson's smug face) Didn't it hit the post and go in off Kiely's arse?
You must surely take account of the circumstances when passing judgement?
At the time Swindon were in a relegation battle that they eventually lost. Furthermore at half time Charlton generously gave Swindon a gift of money to help with a youth team expense or something, and Willie Carson came onto the pitch to accept the money on behalf of Swindon.
Willie made a little thank you speech and finished off by saying '...and thanks for the three points'. We were 0-1 down at half time still with half the game to play, it was a bad result for us because we did not react in the second half and a good result for Swindon as Willie Carson acknowledged in advance.
I also remember a game at Selhurst Park where we battered Plymouth, but they had I believe their third choice goalkeeper, a blimmin farmer, playing, and he kept us out and they won I believe.
Good result for Plymouth, a bad one for us.
Actually, didn't Fleetwood outplay us for very long periods of the match last Saturday, but still lost, and guess what they then sacked their manager.
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Welcome MA. If you are looking at this forum you were presumably already aware of the PTSD-like levels of disrupted thinking in much of the support after years of repeated disappointment.
I hope you are good for us, and can create a culture of "fuck everyone else, and opinions, let's play football and win, or be proud of ourselves at the least".
I'm sad that not sharing insane expectations is being spun as acceptance of failure or complacency, and it seems unnecessarily disrespectful, but what the hell.
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A Belgian and a MorrocanScoham said:
So who’s on the list of candidates? Who have I missed?DamoNorthStand said:
Owners are still going through 15 years of Charlton Life memes.Starinnaddick said:Why the delay in naming who Appleton's assistants are?
Darren Purse
Hayden Mullins
Julian Gray
Alan McOxo McCormack
Callum Harriotts
Igor Ventokele
Roger F****** Johnson
Kenneth Williams5 - Sponsored links:
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Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln.https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/
Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect.18 -
A good balanced article, thanks for linking it.2
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Historically a mid table second division club.Manic_mania said:
with respect to them, what Lincoln and Oxford fans expect from a manager should be VERY different things.Dippenhall said:I'll keep open mind. He's the Charlton Head Coach and until there's reason to do otherwise he should have our support. The image we have has been the character mocked in our threads so did some googling to see how well it is justified. There's an interesting 2021 interview in The Athletic on his career and the negative baggage he's had to carry https://theathletic.com/2421847/2021/03/03/michael-appleton-i-fell-foul-of-not-doing-proper-due-diligence-on-people-i-worked-with/
Googled the local papers for Oxford and Lincoln when he left and they were positive:
Quote Oxford Fans“We had an identity and a way of playing football. I’m completely disappointed, really gutted to be honest, that it’s happened the way it has.
“He was an absolute gentlemen, a lovely bloke to talk to and a lot of people respected him.”
Lincoln Local paper
"Supported by the club’s recruitment team, Appleton made some outstanding signings, producing the best City side in 40 years, which didn’t just win regularly, but did so in style."
"On a personal level, Appleton has been a pleasure to deal with, always open and honest with the media. He’s clearly a talented manager and coach, and after a well-earned break to recharge his batteries, it would be no surprise to see him back in the game very soon, possibly on the coaching staff at a higher-level club."No guarantees with us but seems the pre-conceived perceptions from may not be entirely justified. However, seems "basket case" clubs where he's bombed attract him.
Bit hard not to sound like a "massive" with a comment liike like this I grant you. Perhaps I just need to readjust my expectations down a division - just be happy being in and around league 1 play offs instead.
Over recent years I'd suggest we have dropped many places and are on a par with Lincoln and Oxford.
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Perhaps he likes a certainty for the sack and a nice little pay off.Addick Addict said:Two comments from another club's forum about Appleton's appointment. It seems the rest of the world view us as we view ourselves and Appleton.Amazing how he keeps getting appointments despite not achieving anything except the sack at everywhere he goes except for one good season with Oxford United. I swear that sometimes the managerial round about believes it's own PR at timesHe’s chosen his clubs very unwisely, almost everywhere he’s been bar Oxford has been a basket case. He did well at Lincoln too initially.0 -
Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.vff said:Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln.https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/
Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect.
Which honestly? Shouldn't actually really be much of a problem. Get May and Leaburn fit at the same time and goals will come. Give the defence a deserved kick up the arse and get them to focus and he won't NEED to be a Pep style genius to get decent results.
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"Michael certainly had his favourites at times during his time here, and mostly during his last season with the club. I wasn’t going to put this section in but when I saw a comment on my Twitter post about Conor McGrandles being almost undroppable in the 21/22 season despite some costly mistakes, I had to consider how he leaned towards certain players".
Joe Briley AllLincoln article "Michael Appleton-Analysis" 9th Sept
Seems he had his favourites who he chose when better players were available- one other we kn ow- jack Payne also got frozen out according to this account.
https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/
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Manic_mania said:
isn't McScandalous injured for like 3 months though?jackmasterflash said:I think focusing on results is the wrong strategy. Whether you want the gold medal or not does not decide who wins it. Stick with Appleton for a year and we will be challenging.
Lincoln are tiny and he built a good team. Even mcshambles was brilliant.
McCandles has had terrible luck with injuries, including the freak wrist injury with the deflected ball but does he have a flicker of a chance under the new head coach or has his career at Cafc tapered out ?
McCandles played well at Lincoln but I don't want to wax lyrical about a player who has been snuffed out and will probably end up at WickCombe Wanderers.
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Or get the right assistantthenewbie said:
Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.vff said:Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln.https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/
Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect.
Which honestly? Shouldn't actually really be much of a problem. Get May and Leaburn fit at the same time and goals will come. Give the defence a deserved kick up the arse and get them to focus and he won't NEED to be a Pep style genius to get decent results.0 -
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Don’t remember that being said about Appleton, but I remember Holden saying the same thing about himself, in one of his first interviews. I remember being quite shocked when he said that.
Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.vff said:Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln.https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/
Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect.If Appleton’s the same it’s a bit of a worry, unless he has a proper tactician in the dugout alongside him. Surely tactics is half of the job?3 -
Pain is inevitable. Suffering is optional.
Can we just embrace the chaos.
After reading the comments of many CL members, Michael Appleton is looked upon as Vanilla but vanilla is only a Chocolate flake away from being a 99 which would be a treat.
The cafc expectation bar is set so low that a limbo dancer would struggle to wriggle under.
The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step; Cafc issue is that the step is normally in the wrong direction.
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent. The first lady said that ?
No, not Fanny Fanackapan but Eleanor Roosevelt.
If the one man and his sheep sing;
"We are effing shit" at our next home game or worse, the next game against Stevenage, then we really are drowning not waving in a ocean of negativity.
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