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Michael Appleton - March 2025 appointed Shrewsbury manager (p124)
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Granny Smiths Red & White ArmyLargeAddick said:
Micky Apple’s Red and White Army.DamoNorthStand said:As for the important stuff….. how do we do a Red and White army chant that fits his name?
Michael Appletons Red and White Army doesn’t work - the iteration is out as it’s too long.
Maybe Michael A’s Red and White Army (like we did we Alan C’s).
My OCD will be itching if we try and cram 5 syllables in.1 -
He's a fan of old Man U
He loves a big tattoo
Micky Apples
whoh oh oh
Mickey Apples
Whoh oh oh
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It seems like he a peels to some, but is rotten to the core for others.
I just hope he's good - because as we were all told at school (in 1967) - a rotten apple spoils the barrel.
(Apples were kept in barrels in 1874).
... OK piqued your interest eh?
Four pecks make up a bushel (you can fit, what, maybe twelve to fifteen medium apples in half a peck?). So eight of those small bags would make up a bushel of apples. In a barrel there are about three and a quarter bushels. A barrel is about twenty-five of the small bags of apples, probably around three hundred medium to large-sized apples.
Nurse!
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Am I remembering wrong.....weren't you the guy that used to post pro-Roland posts at the height of the heat against him?DOUCHER said:I think we have established that if we are going to get back to being a championship club (somewhere i think most agree is our natural level), we are going to have to do it the hard way - for whatever reason, we are not one of those lucky clubs who have managed to attract a ridiculously wealthy owner who is willing to throw loads at it. The selling point by methven to the funders is probably that under the last 2 ownerships at least, the club has been run by amateurs which has hampered the footballing side. The hope is that now we have Scott and Rodwell pulling the strings, the football side will be helped and the losses required to fund the club reduced at the same time by clever buying and selling - including a profit from our youth products. Now that is the traditional way of running a club and i'm fine with that. The funders will expect to lose a big chunk of what they have what they have promised for 2 years but that that gets them closer to a crack at the money shot - the prem - and the likes of luton have proved it is achievable without massive spending. The opening games clearly didn't back that 'added value by know how approach' up so a change in the 'head coach' has been made - again, fair enough. It's all on Appleton now - if he does well, Scott does well - if he fails, with Scott's players,all of that falls back onto Scott. Will Methven and the funders then replace Scott or will they look to sell? I hope Appleton does well - he could do - i'm somewhere between thinking we now have an experienced coach with a decent squad if all are fit, to thinking we have a shit set of central defenders who lack a real leader and aerial dominance so can't see how we will keep the ball out, regardless of what we do going forwards. I'm also concerned we won't see a lot of camara, which could be pivotal. I'll be getting behind things until it becomes obvious we aren't heading in the wrong direction. We should never settle for league 1 but we also have to give people a fair chance at getting us out of the division. Club's positions in the football league are a lot more transient now - you can move up and down the divisions a lot quicker now - probably due to the short term contracts and rapid turnover in squads - so i don't feel like we are now a league 1 club - i feel like we are a club still trying to get its act together after a succession of bizarre ownerships but we will get there at some point.
You seem much more rational now if I have remembered correctly 👍1 -
Good MA chat here pretty much from the beginning https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/not-the-top-20-podcast/id1112915286?i=10006274756621
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Caught up on the last few pages and my summary is simple.......we have a very strange fan base14
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Interesting listenfenaddick said:Good MA chat here pretty much from the beginning https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/not-the-top-20-podcast/id1112915286?i=1000627475662
Still not totally convinced that MA is the man but Oxford man makes a strong but balanced case for him.0 -
Yeh, I used to think supporters of other teams were just being unfair!Todds_right_hook said:Caught up on the last few pages and my summary is simple.......we have a very strange fan base1 -
Has he/we brought any coaches in yet?1
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swordfish said:
To what tune?dicktracey said:Has MA brought his own assistances in?
To the tune of you're going home in a st John's ambulance0 - Sponsored links:
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I said early on that I thought he was a decent player. Not claiming that make me a footballing genious thoughJ BLOCK said:
The original comment was that he was 'a dud early on'. No one who watched him in the opening games can disagree with that.SomervilleAddick said:
This is the issue with a lot of fans, not just ours. If you sign a new player, get a new manager or use an academy player and they are not immediately outstanding, they’re crap. And it takes ages to get over that initial opinion.JamesSeed said:.J BLOCK said:
Bit harsh. Gave a goal away when he and … thingy… collided.
Because he wasPeanutsMolloy said:
A lot of Lifers thought Dobbo a dud early on.raytreacy69 said:
In all fairness to McGrandles I still don’t think we have seen enough of him to judge.He was good at Lincoln and did well on loan to CambridgeJac_52 said:raytreacy69 said:Very good read
interesting comments re Edun and McGrandles
If the bloke can get a team into the playoffs with McGrandles in midfield he must be some sort of miracle worker
He might yet suprise us allWas ok-ish apart from that, I thought. But he improved and looks to have improved again in the first two or three games this season.This is the same fan base that demands stability0 -
If it's Allez, it's gotta be Micky Pomme, surelyWeegie Addick said:It worked OK as Alan Curbishley's Red & White Army - and Michael Appleton has same number of syllables.
Doesn't fit the Allez, Allez, Allez mind you.1 -
Absolutely no idea, but this lot could do a job, takes park the bus to another level…..mendonca said:Has he/we brought any coaches in yet?
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Totally ruins Alez alez song0
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Can we get TS back for “Apples to Victory” ?Gribbo said:
If it's Allez, it's gotta be Micky Pomme, surelyWeegie Addick said:It worked OK as Alan Curbishley's Red & White Army - and Michael Appleton has same number of syllables.
Doesn't fit the Allez, Allez, Allez mind you.8 -
yes you are remembering wrongSiv_in_Norfolk said:
Am I remembering wrong.....weren't you the guy that used to post pro-Roland posts at the height of the heat against him?DOUCHER said:I think we have established that if we are going to get back to being a championship club (somewhere i think most agree is our natural level), we are going to have to do it the hard way - for whatever reason, we are not one of those lucky clubs who have managed to attract a ridiculously wealthy owner who is willing to throw loads at it. The selling point by methven to the funders is probably that under the last 2 ownerships at least, the club has been run by amateurs which has hampered the footballing side. The hope is that now we have Scott and Rodwell pulling the strings, the football side will be helped and the losses required to fund the club reduced at the same time by clever buying and selling - including a profit from our youth products. Now that is the traditional way of running a club and i'm fine with that. The funders will expect to lose a big chunk of what they have what they have promised for 2 years but that that gets them closer to a crack at the money shot - the prem - and the likes of luton have proved it is achievable without massive spending. The opening games clearly didn't back that 'added value by know how approach' up so a change in the 'head coach' has been made - again, fair enough. It's all on Appleton now - if he does well, Scott does well - if he fails, with Scott's players,all of that falls back onto Scott. Will Methven and the funders then replace Scott or will they look to sell? I hope Appleton does well - he could do - i'm somewhere between thinking we now have an experienced coach with a decent squad if all are fit, to thinking we have a shit set of central defenders who lack a real leader and aerial dominance so can't see how we will keep the ball out, regardless of what we do going forwards. I'm also concerned we won't see a lot of camara, which could be pivotal. I'll be getting behind things until it becomes obvious we aren't heading in the wrong direction. We should never settle for league 1 but we also have to give people a fair chance at getting us out of the division. Club's positions in the football league are a lot more transient now - you can move up and down the divisions a lot quicker now - probably due to the short term contracts and rapid turnover in squads - so i don't feel like we are now a league 1 club - i feel like we are a club still trying to get its act together after a succession of bizarre ownerships but we will get there at some point.
You seem much more rational now if I have remembered correctly 👍1 -
i got stick because i said nothing was happening when airman said a takeover was imninent - i knew nothing was happening but people didn't want to believe it - some prat called me a beard around that time - i was never pro duchatalet - indeed i started posted again under the name doucher as a jibe at him after id stopped posting for a number of years but felt the need to express some views again when the duchatalet merry go round was at its heightDOUCHER said:
yes you are remembering wrongSiv_in_Norfolk said:
Am I remembering wrong.....weren't you the guy that used to post pro-Roland posts at the height of the heat against him?DOUCHER said:I think we have established that if we are going to get back to being a championship club (somewhere i think most agree is our natural level), we are going to have to do it the hard way - for whatever reason, we are not one of those lucky clubs who have managed to attract a ridiculously wealthy owner who is willing to throw loads at it. The selling point by methven to the funders is probably that under the last 2 ownerships at least, the club has been run by amateurs which has hampered the footballing side. The hope is that now we have Scott and Rodwell pulling the strings, the football side will be helped and the losses required to fund the club reduced at the same time by clever buying and selling - including a profit from our youth products. Now that is the traditional way of running a club and i'm fine with that. The funders will expect to lose a big chunk of what they have what they have promised for 2 years but that that gets them closer to a crack at the money shot - the prem - and the likes of luton have proved it is achievable without massive spending. The opening games clearly didn't back that 'added value by know how approach' up so a change in the 'head coach' has been made - again, fair enough. It's all on Appleton now - if he does well, Scott does well - if he fails, with Scott's players,all of that falls back onto Scott. Will Methven and the funders then replace Scott or will they look to sell? I hope Appleton does well - he could do - i'm somewhere between thinking we now have an experienced coach with a decent squad if all are fit, to thinking we have a shit set of central defenders who lack a real leader and aerial dominance so can't see how we will keep the ball out, regardless of what we do going forwards. I'm also concerned we won't see a lot of camara, which could be pivotal. I'll be getting behind things until it becomes obvious we aren't heading in the wrong direction. We should never settle for league 1 but we also have to give people a fair chance at getting us out of the division. Club's positions in the football league are a lot more transient now - you can move up and down the divisions a lot quicker now - probably due to the short term contracts and rapid turnover in squads - so i don't feel like we are now a league 1 club - i feel like we are a club still trying to get its act together after a succession of bizarre ownerships but we will get there at some point.
You seem much more rational now if I have remembered correctly 👍0 -
“We all agree Cahones said you’re a w*****Henry Irving said:He's a fan of old Man U
He loves a big tattoo
Micky Apples
whoh oh oh
Mickey Apples
Whoh oh oh
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I am pretty indifferent to Appleton - which will have no bearing on whether he succeeds or not. He’s here; he’ll either win games or he won’t.The “project”, however, can only fail. It involves I understand a two-year fixed funding agreement, which will inevitably be based on over-optimistic revenue projections in order to sell it to investors. This in turn will force early player sales, which are not consistent with getting into / staying in the Championship.Charlie has already given the game away - the stated aim is to reduce the operating loss to £1m-£2m and then sell sufficient players to generate an overall profit. Player trading is variable year on year, but operating costs and revenue cannot deliver their bit in this business - barring a major change in the financial structure of the EFL.Appleton won’t be the reason it fails whatever he does.49
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Two year fixed funding?Airman Brown said:I am pretty indifferent to Appleton - which will have no bearing on whether he succeeds or not. He’s here; he’ll either win games or he won’t.The “project”, however, can only fail. It involves I understand a two-year fixed funding agreement, which will inevitably be based on over-optimistic revenue projections in order to sell it to investors. This in turn will force early player sales, which are not consistent with getting into / staying in the Championship.Charlie has already given the game away - the stated aim is to reduce the operating loss to £1m-£2m and then sell sufficient players to generate an overall profit. Player trading is variable year on year, but operating costs and revenue cannot deliver their bit in this business - barring a major change in the financial structure of the EFL.Appleton won’t be the reason it fails whatever he does.
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Inevitable, because how could you get this large disparate group of owners to agree additional investment on an ad-hoc basis?supaclive said:
Two year fixed funding?Airman Brown said:I am pretty indifferent to Appleton - which will have no bearing on whether he succeeds or not. He’s here; he’ll either win games or he won’t.The “project”, however, can only fail. It involves I understand a two-year fixed funding agreement, which will inevitably be based on over-optimistic revenue projections in order to sell it to investors. This in turn will force early player sales, which are not consistent with getting into / staying in the Championship.Charlie has already given the game away - the stated aim is to reduce the operating loss to £1m-£2m and then sell sufficient players to generate an overall profit. Player trading is variable year on year, but operating costs and revenue cannot deliver their bit in this business - barring a major change in the financial structure of the EFL.Appleton won’t be the reason it fails whatever he does.
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Ian Holloway and Harry Redknapp revealed the same insight into what makes a good manager - good players. Simple.Kindoncasella said:
I don't get what Pep does to be labelled a genius. He has pretty much worked with the worlds top players everywhere at every club he has been at.thenewbie said:
Sounds like he's a good coach but maybe more flawed as a manager, as paradoxical as that sounds. Good at developing and training players but not really much of a tactician.vff said:Balanced article from Lincoln supporter on Michael Appleton & his time head coaching Lincoln.https://alllincoln.co.uk/2023/09/michael-appleton-appointed-at-charlton-analysis/
Gives an idea on what Charlton supporters might expect.
Which honestly? Shouldn't actually really be much of a problem. Get May and Leaburn fit at the same time and goals will come. Give the defence a deserved kick up the arse and get them to focus and he won't NEED to be a Pep style genius to get decent results.4 -
What happens to their shares after the 2 years when we are still in league one and losing money heavily?? Are they allowed to sell up/walk away?Airman Brown said:
Inevitable, because how could you get this large disparate group of owners to agree additional investment on an ad-hoc basis?supaclive said:
Two year fixed funding?Airman Brown said:I am pretty indifferent to Appleton - which will have no bearing on whether he succeeds or not. He’s here; he’ll either win games or he won’t.The “project”, however, can only fail. It involves I understand a two-year fixed funding agreement, which will inevitably be based on over-optimistic revenue projections in order to sell it to investors. This in turn will force early player sales, which are not consistent with getting into / staying in the Championship.Charlie has already given the game away - the stated aim is to reduce the operating loss to £1m-£2m and then sell sufficient players to generate an overall profit. Player trading is variable year on year, but operating costs and revenue cannot deliver their bit in this business - barring a major change in the financial structure of the EFL.Appleton won’t be the reason it fails whatever he does.
Oh shit.....
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Maybe a fire sale, close the club down, and accept ten cents on the dollar.
After wages, fees and consultancy fees are settled clearly.
Salmon trousers don't buy themselves.3 -
Apple-ton wooaah
Apple-ton woooaaah
He used to be a meme
But now he runs the team52 -
cant stop laughing !daveydanger said:Apple-ton wooaah
Apple-ton woooaaah
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All business start with one plan and evolve with circumstances. To state they will fail assumes they are stupid which it’s too too early to say. Let’s give them all a chance and get behind the project. After all, nobody’s come with any other plan and they at least seem to understand the business world of football. I feel the last ten years or so has made us all too pessimistic which is not helpful.Airman Brown said:
Inevitable, because how could you get this large disparate group of owners to agree additional investment on an ad-hoc basis?supaclive said:
Two year fixed funding?Airman Brown said:I am pretty indifferent to Appleton - which will have no bearing on whether he succeeds or not. He’s here; he’ll either win games or he won’t.The “project”, however, can only fail. It involves I understand a two-year fixed funding agreement, which will inevitably be based on over-optimistic revenue projections in order to sell it to investors. This in turn will force early player sales, which are not consistent with getting into / staying in the Championship.Charlie has already given the game away - the stated aim is to reduce the operating loss to £1m-£2m and then sell sufficient players to generate an overall profit. Player trading is variable year on year, but operating costs and revenue cannot deliver their bit in this business - barring a major change in the financial structure of the EFL.Appleton won’t be the reason it fails whatever he does.
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After CA Plc floated on AIM in 1997, we had c 1000 shareholders, including 6 or so Directors each with 5% or more of the shares (Murray obviously by far the largest), 10+ City investors and 900+ fans (most of whom having invested in the original share issue to fans in 1994).Airman Brown said:
Inevitable, because how could you get this large disparate group of owners to agree additional investment on an ad-hoc basis?supaclive said:
Two year fixed funding?Airman Brown said:I am pretty indifferent to Appleton - which will have no bearing on whether he succeeds or not. He’s here; he’ll either win games or he won’t.The “project”, however, can only fail. It involves I understand a two-year fixed funding agreement, which will inevitably be based on over-optimistic revenue projections in order to sell it to investors. This in turn will force early player sales, which are not consistent with getting into / staying in the Championship.Charlie has already given the game away - the stated aim is to reduce the operating loss to £1m-£2m and then sell sufficient players to generate an overall profit. Player trading is variable year on year, but operating costs and revenue cannot deliver their bit in this business - barring a major change in the financial structure of the EFL.Appleton won’t be the reason it fails whatever he does.
Oh shit.....
We regularly needed ad hoc injections of cash every year until we got promotion in 1998 and this was supplied each time without prior commitment by some but not all of the Directors (different combo and amounts each time) and occasionally by outside investors buying newly created shares.
Those existing investors (including all 900 or so small shareholders, whom you may recall got very irate at never being given the opportunity) that didn’t or couldn’t participate got diluted.
As it happens, even after we were promoted to the Prem, we raised more capital from time to time by issuing more new shares when wealthy fans asked to get involved (Chappell et al).
Again, existing large shareholders had the opportunity to buy new shares alongside them each time or not and get diluted. Their choice each time.
I appreciate we’re not dealing with fans as owners and I have no knowledge as to whether it is their intention to do so or not (although it would be bizarre IMHO for the particular individuals with the largest holdings to rule it out when they make follow on investments to other private equity investee companies all the time) but it is perfectly possible for one or more of the club of these larger investors to inject more capital and/or even to bring in new large investors on an ad hoc basis.
It will no doubt critically depend on whether CAFC is progressing or not.
Appleton’s success in at least making promotion a credible goal this season or next is indeed crucial.
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