POST-MATCH THREAD: Wigan Athletic vs Charlton Athletic: Tuesday 31st October 2023 | KO 7:45PM

charltonbob said:

Fumbluff said:

Bedsaddick said:

Athletico Charlton said:

Kirk up there with Amdy Toure as one of my least favourite Charlton players ever, he is an utter disgrace; completely spineless player who is nicking a living.

Fraser I have always liked but we lost the midfield when he appeared and he was at partial fault for both goals.

Tedic came on and Shirtliff said something like, you want to see Tedic running hard to keep the ball in Wigan's half, he ambled around letting a knackered but forever willing Alfie May do all the running and closing down.

Could do with replacing all 3 of them in Jan.

First half was an absolute joy to watch and some of our footy was great, the defence was on the front foot.  Most of the second half was quite even, their subs made a difference.  Louis Watson is a proper diamond of a player, would love to get him perm but he will play for Luton in the Champ next season I imagine.

3 points is all that matters ultimately, and finally a win away - great for the 400 odd fans who travelled in the wet, stormy weather.

I thought Tickle, Humphreys, Asgaard and Goodi(?) All looked good for them.

Do you mean Amdy Faye. If so i agree. The worst player i have ever seen play for Charlton and that's a hell of a list to top. 

I agree Faye was atrocious but come on Lepoint….

Faye wasn't even the worst player in that team, I give you Djimi Traore 

In fact i'm sure Faye played a few games at centre back & wasn't too bad but overall another waste of money. What was it £4.5 million for Faye & Traore ?

Weegie Addick said:

Chunes said:

Agree with Braziliance and expect we'll also see the likes of Chem Campbell and Abankwah return to their clubs and at least one will be replaced by a steely, aggressive midfielder who can help us sit in.

Can we return season-long loanees in January or would it only be if parent club recalled them? 

eastterrace6168 said:

Slightly Off-Piste, but thinking about the impending 5th booking for Dobson and Alfie, when is the cut off point for the 5th booking and automatic match ban...
Also, should they play Sunday, does the cup match count??
Thanks in advance...👍

NabySarr said:

Braziliance said:

In January we need a centre back to partner Jones, the more the season goes on, the more I think Jones could improve. Hector on the other hand just doesn't seem to be our solution.

There are loads of good centre backs in this league, a fair few whos contracts are up in the summer so we could test their clubs resolves. 

Chey Dunkley, Will Aimson, Carl Piergianni and Ryan Tafazolli. The first 3 all occupy spots in the top 10 of who scored player ratings, usually not a bad website to go by. I've been impressed by Dunkley & Piergianni in particular when we played them.

For those interested, May, CBT and Dobson, they rank 11th, 12th and 18th as a comparison. 

January is huge, need to focus on staying in touching distance of the play-offs and exploit the players who contracts are coming to a close just like others will do to us when the time comes. 

I think a problem with those players is they play for teams that play a different style to us. Look at what happened with Sam Lavelle, at Morecambe and now Carlisle where he plays for a team that sits deep and just need him to defend the box head it and kick it then he’s great, but coming to Charlton and suddenly he’s got to be good in possession and play in a higher line and he gets exposed. Dunkley and Piergianni are very good defenders but I’m not sure they’d be anywhere near as good for us as they are in their current sides. Shrewsbury and Stevenage are in the lowest few teams in the league for average possession, it’s completely different being a centre back for them than it is for us. 

Recruitment is a lot tougher than just signing one of the best players in a position that we need. They’ve got to fit the way we play, 

killerandflash said:

Chunes said:

Agree with Braziliance and expect we'll also see the likes of Chem Campbell and Abankwah return to their clubs and at least one will be replaced by a steely, aggressive midfielder who can help us sit in.

A 2018 Darren Pratley would have made a massive difference to this team. Or someone to do the job Jason Pearce did.

We have a lot of younger players, and a slight lack of leadership on the pitch.

Curbs_Ball said:

Croydon said:

Covered End said:

I find it so annoying that fans aren't allowed to make honest comments about a player's failings without it being called scapegoating.

Presumably, some feel we must praise every player, every game without exception, regardless of how they are performing.

Agree. What's also really annoying is how many people don't understand the meaning of the word scapegoat.  

I know exactly what scapegoat means mate and so did you when I put into the context of what I was talking about?

Not quite sure how we can be talking about Fraser in so much depth on here when we had a brilliant away win and he played 20 mins of it!

I haven't seen your comment, nor have I quoted it so not sure why you assume I'm talking about you.. It's a general theme on here, criticism = scapegoating, but they are not the same thing.

Because I used that word in the context that were all referring to and talking about...?

General theme on here, relentless criticism = trying to find a negative on everything

Like I say, we won away from home, really good performance and people still talk about some players, Fraser in this example, who hardly did anything in 20 mins to even warrant a comment. So, in a football context, a "scapegoat" - a reason to have a moan. 

Callumcafc said:

cafc_se7 said:

Leuth said:

valleynick66 said:

And that is why for the FA Cup on Sunday we can’t field a weak team. 

We dominated Wigan for 84 minutes at theirs then brought Kirk on 

I thought it was ‘then we brought Terrel Thomas on’ personally!

I’m not sure it’s the left back you should be worrying about when both the goals came from our right hand side..!

Covered End said:

I find it so annoying that fans aren't allowed to make honest comments about a player's failings without it being called scapegoating.

Presumably, some feel we must praise every player, every game without exception, regardless of how they are performing.

Agree. What's also really annoying is how many people don't understand the meaning of the word scapegoat.  

I know exactly what scapegoat means mate and so did you when I put into the context of what I was talking about?

Not quite sure how we can be talking about Fraser in so much depth on here when we had a brilliant away win and he played 20 mins of it!

I haven't seen your comment, nor have I quoted it so not sure why you assume I'm talking about you.. It's a general theme on here, criticism = scapegoating, but they are not the same thing.

Because I used that word in the context that were all referring to and talking about...?

General theme on here, relentless criticism = trying to find a negative on everything

Like I say, we won away from home, really good performance and people still talk about some players, Fraser in this example, who hardly did anything in 20 mins to even warrant a comment. So, in a football context, a "scapegoat" - a reason to have a moan. 

I agree Fraser did hardly anything when he came on. Plus if you take another look you'll see that he had 2 opportunities to prevent Wigan's 2nd goal. First he missed the ball, then he didn't do enough to block the shot.

We were of course excellent until the late subs were made, although Wigan set up as we would like every game. Stood off us and let us play, with little tough tackling. 

Curbs_Ball said:

Covered End said:

I find it so annoying that fans aren't allowed to make honest comments about a player's failings without it being called scapegoating.

Presumably, some feel we must praise every player, every game without exception, regardless of how they are performing.

Agree. What's also really annoying is how many people don't understand the meaning of the word scapegoat.  

I know exactly what scapegoat means mate and so did you when I put into the context of what I was talking about?

Not quite sure how we can be talking about Fraser in so much depth on here when we had a brilliant away win and he played 20 mins of it!

I haven't seen your comment, nor have I quoted it so not sure why you assume I'm talking about you.. It's a general theme on here, criticism = scapegoating, but they are not the same thing.

Because I used that word in the context that were all referring to and talking about...?

General theme on here, relentless criticism = trying to find a negative on everything

Like I say, we won away from home, really good performance and people still talk about some players, Fraser in this example, who hardly did anything in 20 mins to even warrant a comment. So, in a football context, a "scapegoat" - a reason to have a moan. 

I agree Fraser did hardly anything when he came on. Plus if you take another look you'll see that he had 2 opportunities to prevent Wigan's 2nd goal. First he missed the ball, then he didn't do enough to block the shot.

We were of course excellent until the late subs were made, although Wigan set up as we would like every game. Stood off us and let us play, with little tough tackling. 

Fraser is shite mate and shouldn't be anywhere near that starting 11 and at fault for there 2nd goal, not the team....happy??

I saw there 2nd goal with my own eyes, I was at the game watching it myself.

Learnt a lot this week in my short time posting on Charlton Life  

Covered End said:

Curbs_Ball said:

Covered End said:

I find it so annoying that fans aren't allowed to make honest comments about a player's failings without it being called scapegoating.

Presumably, some feel we must praise every player, every game without exception, regardless of how they are performing.

Agree. What's also really annoying is how many people don't understand the meaning of the word scapegoat.  

I know exactly what scapegoat means mate and so did you when I put into the context of what I was talking about?

Not quite sure how we can be talking about Fraser in so much depth on here when we had a brilliant away win and he played 20 mins of it!

I haven't seen your comment, nor have I quoted it so not sure why you assume I'm talking about you.. It's a general theme on here, criticism = scapegoating, but they are not the same thing.

Because I used that word in the context that were all referring to and talking about...?

General theme on here, relentless criticism = trying to find a negative on everything

Like I say, we won away from home, really good performance and people still talk about some players, Fraser in this example, who hardly did anything in 20 mins to even warrant a comment. So, in a football context, a "scapegoat" - a reason to have a moan. 

I agree Fraser did hardly anything when he came on. Plus if you take another look you'll see that he had 2 opportunities to prevent Wigan's 2nd goal. First he missed the ball, then he didn't do enough to block the shot.

We were of course excellent until the late subs were made, although Wigan set up as we would like every game. Stood off us and let us play, with little tough tackling. 

Fraser is shite mate and shouldn't be anywhere near that starting 11 and at fault for there 2nd goal, not the team....happy??

I saw there 2nd goal with my own eyes, I was at the game watching it myself.

Learnt a lot this week in my short time posting on Charlton Life  

You're over exaggerating once again.
Fraser is not shite and is a valuable squad member who is not yet fully fit.
He has never been particularly quick or energetic at Charlton and presently Louis Watson is nippy, energetic and playing better than Fraser.

Fraser was one of a number players at fault for their second goal and stating that fact does not mean he is being scapegoated. It means fans are discussing what happened in the game.

Anyway, as you say, it was an excellent performance for 83 minutes and this should not be overshadowed by calls of scapegoating when it doesn't exist.

Braziliance said:

Curbs_Ball said:

Covered End said:

I find it so annoying that fans aren't allowed to make honest comments about a player's failings without it being called scapegoating.

Presumably, some feel we must praise every player, every game without exception, regardless of how they are performing.

Agree. What's also really annoying is how many people don't understand the meaning of the word scapegoat.  

I know exactly what scapegoat means mate and so did you when I put into the context of what I was talking about?

Not quite sure how we can be talking about Fraser in so much depth on here when we had a brilliant away win and he played 20 mins of it!

I haven't seen your comment, nor have I quoted it so not sure why you assume I'm talking about you.. It's a general theme on here, criticism = scapegoating, but they are not the same thing.

Because I used that word in the context that were all referring to and talking about...?

General theme on here, relentless criticism = trying to find a negative on everything

Like I say, we won away from home, really good performance and people still talk about some players, Fraser in this example, who hardly did anything in 20 mins to even warrant a comment. So, in a football context, a "scapegoat" - a reason to have a moan. 

I agree Fraser did hardly anything when he came on. Plus if you take another look you'll see that he had 2 opportunities to prevent Wigan's 2nd goal. First he missed the ball, then he didn't do enough to block the shot.

We were of course excellent until the late subs were made, although Wigan set up as we would like every game. Stood off us and let us play, with little tough tackling. 

Fraser is shite mate and shouldn't be anywhere near that starting 11 and at fault for there 2nd goal, not the team....happy??

I saw there 2nd goal with my own eyes, I was at the game watching it myself.

Learnt a lot this week in my short time posting on Charlton Life  

Bit of spot light syndrome here fella, from what I read you've taken a generic post to be aimed at you when I think the poster was generally speaking.

There are always going to be stubborn people on message boards and those whose opinions differ. I said with 100% confidence recently that we have the worst centre backs in the league and that I'd keep Fraser over Dobson long term (haha). Did I get some feedback yeah, but that's just how it goes. Just like criticising players, there may be a poster who will challenge it, there will also be people who challenge people positing positively about the same players 

I mean,  I'm about to go have it out with Bedaddick because he thinks the latest planet of the apes films aren't great.

There is nothing to learn on here mate, there's reasonable groups, stubborn groups, friendly groups, as long as you don't make a ridiculous amount of comments you won't be targeted (not that I agree with that). 

Keep sharing your views and if people don't agree it is what it is, that's the nature of forums. It would be very boring if we all thought alike.