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The 2023 ICC Men's Cricket World Cup
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I agree with Trott but i wonder if Captaincy might be too early for Brook.Addick Addict said:
Trott and Brook would be my choiceBedsaddick said:
With a new coach and Captain i hope.billysboots said:T20 World Cup coming up - let’s look ahead to that0 -
Would like to see a lot of the side that played that Ireland OD series to start to come into the main side. The squad that goes to the Windies in December will be very telling.0
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I don't think it's too soon and I'm only advocating it initially for white ball. We have to have someone who will not be part of the old guard and therefore afraid to drop someone because they've always been selected. Brook has captained throughout his age group career up to and including England U19 so isn't lacking experience in that respect. He will be 25 in three months time, has played almost 50 internationals and been part of all of the best T20 tournaments around the world. If it's not him then who else could it be?Bedsaddick said:
I agree with Trott but i wonder if Captaincy might be too early for Brook.Addick Addict said:
Trott and Brook would be my choiceBedsaddick said:
With a new coach and Captain i hope.billysboots said:T20 World Cup coming up - let’s look ahead to that
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That’s the problem. There’s no obvious other choice .Addick Addict said:
I don't think it's too soon and I'm only advocating it initially for white ball. We have to have someone who will not be part of the old guard and therefore afraid to drop someone because they've always been selected. Brook has captained throughout his age group career up to and including England U19 so isn't lacking experience in that respect. He will be 25 in three months time, has played almost 50 internationals and been part of all of the best T20 tournaments around the world. If it's not him then who else could it be?Bedsaddick said:
I agree with Trott but i wonder if Captaincy might be too early for Brook.Addick Addict said:
Trott and Brook would be my choiceBedsaddick said:
With a new coach and Captain i hope.billysboots said:T20 World Cup coming up - let’s look ahead to that0 -
Of the four culprits in that list, the only one I’d retain in the next iteration of this team is Buttler.killerandflash said:
Bairstow and Root need to get serious about ODIs or step aside and let someone else in. And I can’t see an argument for keeping Livingstone in the team: he’s contributing next to nothing with bat and with ball, and his inclusion serves to also imbalance the XI.We might as well be playing with a non-batting, non-bowling reserve fielder.0 -
I would be dropping Bairstow for Crawley and making Crawley captain, Brook vice captain.Bedsaddick said:
I agree with Trott but i wonder if Captaincy might be too early for Brook.Addick Addict said:
Trott and Brook would be my choiceBedsaddick said:
With a new coach and Captain i hope.billysboots said:T20 World Cup coming up - let’s look ahead to that
When Stokes inevitably retires from all internationals in the next year or two, Crawley steps up to Test captain and Brook to ODI captain.0 -
You might be right but Crawley is just one year older and the issue is that he isn't certain of his place in the white ball team (just 5 ODIs and no T20 internationals). He also does not have anywhere near the experience that Brook has of playing T20 cricket around the world. Brook has been training with and playing against some of the best white ball players in the IPL. It would only be Brook's commitment to the IPL (cost £1.3m) that could affect my decision to give him the England captaincy.Callumcafc said:
I would be dropping Bairstow for Crawley and making Crawley captain, Brook vice captain.Bedsaddick said:
I agree with Trott but i wonder if Captaincy might be too early for Brook.Addick Addict said:
Trott and Brook would be my choiceBedsaddick said:
With a new coach and Captain i hope.billysboots said:T20 World Cup coming up - let’s look ahead to that
When Stokes inevitably retires from all internationals in the next year or two, Crawley steps up to Test captain and Brook to ODI captain.0 -
Done a bit of reading and listening about the contracts and apparently they did it to protect against the huge contracts being offered to play T20 worldwide. Rob Key said that Mark Wood had been offered big numbers to play in the UAE ? and this was the only way to make sure they were playing for England when we had matches. Tho sis the first time multi year contracts have been offered and they have been brought forward - I can only think that there are some big contract offers out there to play Franchise cricket worldwide.I think there is an exclusion in there for the IPL.
In hindsight it doesn’t look like a great decision based on the results in the World Cup , but on the other hand if we had a few players who had exceeded expectations and they disappeared off to play worldwide for Mumbai Indians we would have been spitting feathers.0 -
billysboots said:Done a bit of reading and listening about the contracts and apparently they did it to protect against the huge contracts being offered to play T20 worldwide. Rob Key said that Mark Wood had been offered big numbers to play in the UAE ? and this was the only way to make sure they were playing for England when we had matches. Tho sis the first time multi year contracts have been offered and they have been brought forward - I can only think that there are some big contract offers out there to play Franchise cricket worldwide.I think there is an exclusion in there for the IPL.
In hindsight it doesn’t look like a great decision based on the results in the World Cup , but on the other hand if we had a few players who had exceeded expectations and they disappeared off to play worldwide for Mumbai Indians we would have been spitting feathers.
Wood was offered £400k to play for the Dubai (Delhi) Capitals in the UAE. The centrally contracted players can now very much have their cake and eat it. As a red and white ball player, Wood will be on £700k per annum (plus appearances) for three years. He can still play in the IPL and enjoys the insurance of being paid that CC by the ECB regardless of his fitness and form. Whereas a non contracted player has no such insurance and does not receive the equivalent of £60k per month regardless. That is what causes friction with those non contracted players such as Willey that are called up to play for England. The ECB might not worry about Willey retiring but they will if younger players in that position take up offers from overseas. The ECB's pockets aren't bottomless after all and they can't give everyone that plays for England a central contract.1 -
The older ones among us can remember Gentlemen v Players when the professionals (players) and gentlemen (amateurs) would come out of seperate gates at Lord’s. There was no shortage of animosity as I recall.0
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Really good article about it here
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/ben-stokes-joe-root-harry-brook-jofra-archer-jos-buttler-mark-wood-accept-new-ecb-central-contracts-1405180?platform=amp
England originally wanted to incentivise with bigger match fees and tour fees , but Wood’s £400k offer from the Capitals made them change their approach. .
it’s not just England it’s the Aussies as well.
The top Aussies are being paid about $3m a year from their central contracts and it looks like they have signed up some of their squad on multi year contracts as well.I think they have 24 central contracts this year.Cricket is changing.0 -
India win the toss and will bat0
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A Power Play of carnage from the Indian batsmen and indiscipline from the Saffer bowlers
91-1 off 10 overs
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I cannot believe that the commentators have not questioned the validity of a DRS review for BOWLED!
I don't care if it's the WC final or a park match, you glance back briefly, maybe get a nod from the keeper, and walk off. It's bowled FFS!1 -
Good fight back from the Saffers. 33-1 off the next 10
124-2 off 20
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Blackheathen said:The older ones among us can remember Gentlemen v Players when the professionals (players) and gentlemen (amateurs) would come out of seperate gates at Lord’s. There was no shortage of animosity as I recall.
I remember giving WG Grace stick as he was a lard arse and was useless at taking quick singles !0 -
239-3 off 400
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How does a spinner bowl a no ball and a wide in the same delivery? That feat has been achieved by Shamsi0
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Wide, NB, dot, dot, wide, 1, dot, 1, wide, dot
How Shamsi got away with going for just half a dozen runs bowling to Kohli and Rahul an over where he consistently got his line wrong, a free hit and just two singles, I will never know0 -
Ton up for Kohli on his 35th birthday and equals Tendulkar's 49 - the ninth time he's got 50 or more in his last 12 innings0
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Kohli brings up his century.
I know he's not popular with a lot of people but he is a fantastic batsman1 -
326-5 off 500
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Loves a personal milestone does Kohli.1
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35-3 off 100
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Can't believe the umpires didn't review the identical dismissal of Bavuma. 🤔mid_life_crisis said:I cannot believe that the commentators have not questioned the validity of a DRS review for BOWLED!
I don't care if it's the WC final or a park match, you glance back briefly, maybe get a nod from the keeper, and walk off. It's bowled FFS!
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You have to sympathise with India. It's very difficult for them to bowl all their overs in the allotted time when the DRS operators take so long to manipulate the ball tracking and snicko.3
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40-50
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Absolute pleasure to listen to Ponting's analysis.
Real insight throughout, both technically and tactically.0 -
SA are 64-6. That means in their last 2 matches India have scored almost 700 runs and the opposition are 119-16.
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Make that 122-17.0
