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Alfie May & Ralph Allen
killerjerrylee
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After last night, Alfie has scored 14 League and cup goals by mid-November. This got me thinking. If he is fortunate enough to keep free of injuries, what sort of total is possible for this season. Back in season 1934-35, Ralph Allen scored a record 33 in 30 games (32 league, 1 FA Cup) as Charlton, under manager Jimmy Seed, won promotion as winners of Division 3 (South). Is it possible that Alfie could break the record? Say he gets to 20 by the end of December, then 13 in the second half of the season? Could he do it? What do you think?
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I posed this very question on the Alfie May thread - should he play the majority of games then he could do it as the asking rate would now be something like two in every three games.0
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Yes, he could do it.
Will he do it, I don’t know, but at our level and with his attitude I think there’s a very good chance.
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And we didn't sign Allen until 12 games into the season.
Bet Mr Golf Addick was writing harsh letters to the Kentish Independent bemoaning the lack of forward signings.13 -
Got to stay fit, and the skys the limit.0
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May is mustard - how the hell he didn’t get to pro level earlier is beyond me - what we paid for him is the bargain of bargains - high quality player - he is the gift that keeps on giving
That finish vs Pompey was superb - defo 20 goals plus this season - 30 goals ?
Well that would be lovely jubbly1 -
I think he’s only four goals off 20 now!Lordflashheart said:May is mustard - how the hell he didn’t get to pro level earlier is beyond me - what we paid for him is the bargain of bargains - high quality player - he is the gift that keeps on giving
That finish vs Pompey was superb - defo 20 goals plus this season - 30 goals ?
Well that would be lovely jubbly
You’re spot on though, I don’t understand how he wasn’t picked up sooner. Maybe because of his height?0 -
"All good things come in small packages" as my old Nan used to say.
( Don't think my Grandad was impressed with that saying though !)
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He said he wants a minimum of 20 more goals last night!1
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Getting a run of games as a striker would have helped him. I’m sure Doncaster used him out wide at times and a lot of his appearances for them were off the bench.se9addick said:
I think he’s only four goals off 20 now!Lordflashheart said:May is mustard - how the hell he didn’t get to pro level earlier is beyond me - what we paid for him is the bargain of bargains - high quality player - he is the gift that keeps on giving
That finish vs Pompey was superb - defo 20 goals plus this season - 30 goals ?
Well that would be lovely jubbly
You’re spot on though, I don’t understand how he wasn’t picked up sooner. Maybe because of his height?
He always looks one of the fittest players on the pitch, that might not have always been the case? Much easier to remain composed if you’re not tiring.
There was an article from the summer in which he talked about believing in himself a lot more. As recently as 2020/21 he only scored 9 in 44 for Cheltenham in L2, and that was in a promotion winning team.
https://theathletic.com/4746022/2023/08/05/alfie-may-dean-holden/?amp=1
“I started believing in myself because when I got my first contract — I obviously played non-League — it was like I was given that chance. At Doncaster, I probably didn’t believe in myself as much as I did when I went to Cheltenham. Especially last year, I used to go into the game saying, ‘I’m scoring today’. I just changed my mentality, I wanted to be the best player on that pitch.”
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What an absolute diamond of a player Alfie May is. It's been absolutely ages since we had a striker, particularly an old fashioned goalscorer, with such football intelligence and who just understands their role. When to run, where to run, when to stand still, where the space is, where the ball is going to fall, what the defender does/doesn't expect him to do, when to pass, when to shoot. He's just making smart decisions all the time. A couple of things that really illustrate this are 1) that he's played up top, off a target man and now out wide and every time he contributes, looks comfortable in the position and is still showing up in the right areas at the right time to get chances on goal, and 2) despite being a player that wants to run off the shoulder of defenders, he is very rarely offside - compare that to some of the single brain celled ignoramuses like Bonne that we've had to endure lumbering around our front line. His first goal last night was absolute quality, from the timing and shape of his run, to the first touch, to the composure, through to the deftness of the finish. That was a Premier League level bit of forward play, even allowing for level of the opposition.
He's a different style of player, but he reminds me somewhat of Mendonca in that he just understands how to score goals and looks like he was born to do it.13 -
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You've now jinxed it & he'll likely to get injured against Carlisle & wont be back until February.
Gah !0 -
The Gravesend Aguero.
TM MODmag though as they haven’t got round to registering it, we can all nick it.0 -
Alfie > Ralphie1
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With 14 by mid-November i think he'd be disappointed if he didn't get to at least 30.
We have 30 more league games to go and at least 1 more cup game he needs almost 1 in 2 to get to 30.
At his current strike rate if he plays in every remaining game he'll get another 22 goals.0 -
I think two Wednesday night was reasonable, twenty would have been really rubbing their noses in it.ButtleJR said:He said he wants a minimum of 20 more goals last night!11 -
Really the Dartford Aguero. That's where he grew up. I remember him asa colt at Wilmington CC. The only reason he was born in Gravesend was that's where all Dartford families had to go for a maternity hospital in the 90s. He never lived in Gravesend.Weegie Addick said:The Gravesend Aguero.
TM MODmag though as they haven’t got round to registering it, we can all nick it.6 -
Never heard of Ralph Allen1
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Interesting @BartramBlitz. Maybe the Dartford De Bruyne? Though MODmag could probably do better than that.0
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😳AFKABartram said:Never heard of Ralph Allen0 -
Dartford Dalgleish sounds better and he is a Liverpool fan after all . Do wah diddy diddy diddy he come from Gravesend? No he didn't MoD mag!!!! Can't allow Gravesend to get undeserved credit for our greatest goalscorer of all time elect. North Kent rivalry won't allow it! 😡1
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Allen scored 17 goals in his first 10 league games for the club.1
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Lisbie scored 16 goals in his first 155 league games.shirty5 said:Allen scored 17 goals in his first 10 league games for the club.7 -
And he got three of those in one game.0
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The Dartford Destroyer
Albeit Dave Charnley was the original Dartford Destroyer
How about ‘The Dartford Diego’ - Maradona was also short 😃0 -
If a third division player ends up as highest goal scorer in the whole league do they get the Golden Boot, or given our lowly status is it the golden flip flop?0
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I remember we had this 'will he, won't he' conversation about Killer during his best season back in the 70s.
He ended up falling short of Ralphie's record.
Think he ended with something like 28 in all comps.
It'll be fun seeing if Alfie can do it, but you have to factor in injury, loss of form, opposition paying him special attention etc1 -
Before he was sold to Derby back in December 1976, Derek had scored 18 goals in 19 League and Cup appearances by the beginning of NovemberSix-a-bag-of-nuts said:I remember we had this 'will he, won't he' conversation about Killer during his best season back in the 70s.
He ended up falling short of Ralphie's record.
Think he ended with something like 28 in all comps.
It'll be fun seeing if Alfie can do it, but you have to factor in injury, loss of form, opposition paying him special attention etc4 -
Good point, and Killer started in non league as wellshirty5 said:
Before he was sold to Derby back in December 1976, Derek had scored 18 goals in 19 League and Cup appearances by the beginning of NovemberSix-a-bag-of-nuts said:I remember we had this 'will he, won't he' conversation about Killer during his best season back in the 70s.
He ended up falling short of Ralphie's record.
Think he ended with something like 28 in all comps.
It'll be fun seeing if Alfie can do it, but you have to factor in injury, loss of form, opposition paying him special attention etc0 -
No penalties in that tally.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I remember we had this 'will he, won't he' conversation about Killer during his best season back in the 70s.
He ended up falling short of Ralphie's record.
Think he ended with something like 28 in all comps.
It'll be fun seeing if Alfie can do it, but you have to factor in injury, loss of form, opposition paying him special attention etc0 -
Yes, Killer had sixteen in sixteen I think in 1976, but then we sold him! The year before, he was chasing Allen's record but fell short by a few.
The key thing for Alfie is to keep him fit; if he plays another 25 games, we might get 15-20 goals out of him? That would take him close to Allen's record. Long way to go though....1
