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Alfie May & Ralph Allen
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ButtleJR said:He said he wants a minimum of 20 more goals last night!
He’s ahead of Hales in the season in which he got 31 (league and cup, 28 league), but behind the year he was sold. He’s well ahead of Allen, who as above signed mid-season.8 -
It's easy to think of Alfie May as a player who got stuck in non-league without any club in the league figuring out how good he really is but he has actually been playing in The Football league since January 2017. That's over four years stuck in League Two until Cheltenham's promotion in 2021. How is it that he's still gone under the radar even in the football league for the last 6-7 years?0
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He must be an absolute nightmare to play against ! He mentioned the other night that he has never felt fitter. I’m often gobsmacked when watching a game that one min he is on the ball wide right then he pops up the other side of the pitch, how do you mark that as an opposing team3
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AndyG said:He must be an absolute nightmare to play against ! He mentioned the other night that he has never felt fitter. I’m often gobsmacked when watching a game that one min he is on the ball wide right then he pops up the other side of the pitch, how do you mark that as an opposing team3
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jimmymelrose said:It's easy to think of Alfie May as a player who got stuck in non-league without any club in the league figuring out how good he really is but he has actually been playing in The Football league since January 2017. That's over four years stuck in League Two until Cheltenham's promotion in 2021. How is it that he's still gone under the radar even in the football league for the last 6-7 years?
Alfie himself said recently that he worked on his mentality.
During games he would tell himself he "was the best player on the pitch" and that he "would score today".
Combine that strong confident mentality with good anticipation and decision making - then add the vital ingredient, 100% workrate.
Compare his determination and attitude with many others on the pitch.
Perhaps his story of having to do a proper grafting job to earn his living, before coming into the professional game as a late starter - makes him appreciate the value of his career?
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shirty5 said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I remember we had this 'will he, won't he' conversation about Killer during his best season back in the 70s.
He ended up falling short of Ralphie's record.
Think he ended with something like 28 in all comps.
It'll be fun seeing if Alfie can do it, but you have to factor in injury, loss of form, opposition paying him special attention etcFirst game of season he ripped Cardiff apart at Ninian Park with a hat-trick. May is nothing like Killer and I can’t foresee him beating Hales goals for a season let alone Allen’s .4 -
Lewis Coaches said:shirty5 said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I remember we had this 'will he, won't he' conversation about Killer during his best season back in the 70s.
He ended up falling short of Ralphie's record.
Think he ended with something like 28 in all comps.
It'll be fun seeing if Alfie can do it, but you have to factor in injury, loss of form, opposition paying him special attention etcFirst game of season he ripped Cardiff apart at Ninian Park with a hat-trick. May is nothing like Killer and I can’t foresee him beating Hales goals for a season let alone Allen’s .0 -
Lewis Coaches said:shirty5 said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I remember we had this 'will he, won't he' conversation about Killer during his best season back in the 70s.
He ended up falling short of Ralphie's record.
Think he ended with something like 28 in all comps.
It'll be fun seeing if Alfie can do it, but you have to factor in injury, loss of form, opposition paying him special attention etcFirst game of season he ripped Cardiff apart at Ninian Park with a hat-trick. May is nothing like Killer and I can’t foresee him beating Hales goals for a season let alone Allen’s .4 -
Oh and I forgot to mention, both Leary and Firmani were picked up for nothing.1
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Genuine question, can older records be compared to the modern age?
My first game was in the year 2000 that I can remember and football was different then to even now.
These ex-Charlton strikers like Firmani, Hales, Leary, Allen etc. Were they genuinely quality or was football easier?
I can only go by records and brief highlights. My uncle is a Derby fan and tells me Hales was fantastic.
I am well overdue a trip to the Charlton museum tbh.
So for those who were there, how would May do in the 70s and how would a player like Firmani do in this modern age do you think?
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Braziliance said:Genuine question, can older records be compared to the modern age?
My first game was in the year 2000 that I can remember and football was different then to even now.
These ex-Charlton strikers like Firmani, Hales, Leary, Allen etc. Were they genuinely quality or was football easier?
I can only go by records and brief highlights. My uncle is a Derby fan and tells me Hales was fantastic.
I am well overdue a trip to the Charlton museum tbh.
So for those who were there, how would May do in the 70s and how would a player like Firmani do in this modern age do you think?0 -
Braziliance said:Genuine question, can older records be compared to the modern age?
My first game was in the year 2000 that I can remember and football was different then to even now.
These ex-Charlton strikers like Firmani, Hales, Leary, Allen etc. Were they genuinely quality or was football easier?
I can only go by records and brief highlights. My uncle is a Derby fan and tells me Hales was fantastic.
I am well overdue a trip to the Charlton museum tbh.
So for those who were there, how would May do in the 70s and how would a player like Firmani do in this modern age do you think?0 -
killerjerrylee said:Lewis Coaches said:shirty5 said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I remember we had this 'will he, won't he' conversation about Killer during his best season back in the 70s.
He ended up falling short of Ralphie's record.
Think he ended with something like 28 in all comps.
It'll be fun seeing if Alfie can do it, but you have to factor in injury, loss of form, opposition paying him special attention etcFirst game of season he ripped Cardiff apart at Ninian Park with a hat-trick. May is nothing like Killer and I can’t foresee him beating Hales goals for a season let alone Allen’s .1 -
Lewis Coaches said:killerjerrylee said:Lewis Coaches said:shirty5 said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I remember we had this 'will he, won't he' conversation about Killer during his best season back in the 70s.
He ended up falling short of Ralphie's record.
Think he ended with something like 28 in all comps.
It'll be fun seeing if Alfie can do it, but you have to factor in injury, loss of form, opposition paying him special attention etcFirst game of season he ripped Cardiff apart at Ninian Park with a hat-trick. May is nothing like Killer and I can’t foresee him beating Hales goals for a season let alone Allen’s .2 -
killerjerrylee said:Lewis Coaches said:killerjerrylee said:Lewis Coaches said:shirty5 said:Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:I remember we had this 'will he, won't he' conversation about Killer during his best season back in the 70s.
He ended up falling short of Ralphie's record.
Think he ended with something like 28 in all comps.
It'll be fun seeing if Alfie can do it, but you have to factor in injury, loss of form, opposition paying him special attention etcFirst game of season he ripped Cardiff apart at Ninian Park with a hat-trick. May is nothing like Killer and I can’t foresee him beating Hales goals for a season let alone Allen’s .1 -
Interesting debate. I agree that football has changed dramatically since I first started watching in the 70's. I am not sure Derek's all round game would fit the modern game. One of the impressive aspects about May is the way he works hard for the team.
I agree we need to consider which league that they played in when factoring the best player. Take Kevin Lisbie as an example. He was more prolific for the likes of Colchester and Orient partly because he played for them at a lower level. His Charlton career was mainly played at the top level. Therefore I agree Firmani and Leary's achievements deserve to be respected as more impressive.
Interestingly Hales had a very respectable record at West Ham ( but not Derby ) in the top flight scoring 10 goals in 24 games for a team heading for relegation. Like Clive Mendonca whose top flight career was ruined by injury I believe he would have been successful had he been given more chances in the top flight.2 -
I think Hales was good enough for the top flight. He just went to the wrong clubs at the wrong time. The Derby team was in serious decline when they signed him and then failed to utilise his strengths. At West Ham, he was playing while injured for much of the season, which makes his scoring ratio look even better. I love watching Alfie and hope that he scores 40 goals, but we must still remember that we are a Division 3 team and the gulf in class between the divisions is and always has been immense.3
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jimmymelrose said:It's easy to think of Alfie May as a player who got stuck in non-league without any club in the league figuring out how good he really is but he has actually been playing in The Football league since January 2017. That's over four years stuck in League Two until Cheltenham's promotion in 2021. How is it that he's still gone under the radar even in the football league for the last 6-7 years?1
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A few other similar threads have appeared along the same lines as this one, but Alfie remains on course to become Charlton's all-time leading goalscorer for a season. He needs to reach 34 league and cup goals to beat Ralph Allen's record, but is up to 19 already. Just keep free of injury, Alfie.0
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killerjerrylee said:A few other similar threads have appeared along the same lines as this one, but Alfie remains on course to become Charlton's all-time leading goalscorer for a season. He needs to reach 34 league and cup goals to beat Ralph Allen's record, but is up to 19 already. Just keep free of injury, Alfie.0
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Very late to this debate but apart from Allen have seen all of the candidates for best goalscorer ( been every season since 1952 )
Stuart Leary is unrivalled as best ever player - that he scored lots of goals is impressive but for those fortunate enough to see him play it was his creativity and desire to win that will be remembered. Leary could run a game and on occasion he was unplayable.4 -
Braziliance said:Genuine question, can older records be compared to the modern age?
My first game was in the year 2000 that I can remember and football was different then to even now.
These ex-Charlton strikers like Firmani, Hales, Leary, Allen etc. Were they genuinely quality or was football easier?
I can only go by records and brief highlights. My uncle is a Derby fan and tells me Hales was fantastic.
I am well overdue a trip to the Charlton museum tbh.
So for those who were there, how would May do in the 70s and how would a player like Firmani do in this modern age do you think?
Firmani was a class above playing for us in the top flight, a Italian International as his career progressed in Italy. He had skills that would have made him a premiership player of today. His return spell when his playing career had ended at top flight showed he could still cut it at Div2 (Championship) level no problem the level Derek Hales spent most of his playing career. Chalk & Cheese as strikers no comparison.1 -
Forgot to say May would have scored goals in the 70's just as he does now but would have had more bruises at the end of the game for his troubles.0
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I initially read the title of the thread with Bradley Allen's name in it!0
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Richard J said:Interesting debate. I agree that football has changed dramatically since I first started watching in the 70's. I am not sure Derek's all round game would fit the modern game. One of the impressive aspects about May is the way he works hard for the team.
I agree we need to consider which league that they played in when factoring the best player. Take Kevin Lisbie as an example. He was more prolific for the likes of Colchester and Orient partly because he played for them at a lower level. His Charlton career was mainly played at the top level. Therefore I agree Firmani and Leary's achievements deserve to be respected as more impressive.
Interestingly Hales had a very respectable record at West Ham ( but not Derby ) in the top flight scoring 10 goals in 24 games for a team heading for relegation. Like Clive Mendonca whose top flight career was ruined by injury I believe he would have been successful had he been given more chances in the top flight.But players from the past were at the pinnacle of game as it was played in their day. The cup team of 1947 would of course come a cropper against a Premier League side - it wouldn’t even be a contest - but they were one of the best sides in the land at that time. Far, far more successful in their era than any Charlton side since the Curbs era. But bring them to Sparrow's Lane for a match against the current side and they’d lose heavily. Wouldn’t they?0 -
JamesSeed said:Richard J said:
I agree we need to consider which league that they played in when factoring the best player. Take Kevin Lisbie as an example. He was more prolific for the likes of Colchester and Orient partly because he played for them at a lower level. His Charlton career was mainly played at the top level. Therefore I agree Firmani and Leary's achievements deserve to be respected as more impressive.
Interestingly Hales had a very respectable record at West Ham ( but not Derby ) in the top flight scoring 10 goals in 24 games for a team heading for relegation. Like Clive Mendonca whose top flight career was ruined by injury I believe he would have been successful had he been given more chances in the top flight.But players from the past were at the pinnacle of game as it was played in their day. The cup team of 1947 would of course come a cropper against a Premier League side - it wouldn’t even be a contest - but they were one of the best sides in the land at that time. Far, far more successful in their era than any Charlton side since the Curbs era. But bring them to Sparrow's Lane for a match against the current side and they’d lose heavily. Wouldn’t they?0 -
charltonbob said:JamesSeed said:Richard J said:Interesting debate. I agree that football has changed dramatically since I first started watching in the 70's. I am not sure Derek's all round game would fit the modern game. One of the impressive aspects about May is the way he works hard for the team.
I agree we need to consider which league that they played in when factoring the best player. Take Kevin Lisbie as an example. He was more prolific for the likes of Colchester and Orient partly because he played for them at a lower level. His Charlton career was mainly played at the top level. Therefore I agree Firmani and Leary's achievements deserve to be respected as more impressive.
Interestingly Hales had a very respectable record at West Ham ( but not Derby ) in the top flight scoring 10 goals in 24 games for a team heading for relegation. Like Clive Mendonca whose top flight career was ruined by injury I believe he would have been successful had he been given more chances in the top flight.But players from the past were at the pinnacle of game as it was played in their day. The cup team of 1947 would of course come a cropper against a Premier League side - it wouldn’t even be a contest - but they were one of the best sides in the land at that time. Far, far more successful in their era than any Charlton side since the Curbs era. But bring them to Sparrow's Lane for a match against the current side and they’d lose heavily. Wouldn’t they?1 -
killerjerrylee said:charltonbob said:JamesSeed said:Richard J said:Interesting debate. I agree that football has changed dramatically since I first started watching in the 70's. I am not sure Derek's all round game would fit the modern game. One of the impressive aspects about May is the way he works hard for the team.
I agree we need to consider which league that they played in when factoring the best player. Take Kevin Lisbie as an example. He was more prolific for the likes of Colchester and Orient partly because he played for them at a lower level. His Charlton career was mainly played at the top level. Therefore I agree Firmani and Leary's achievements deserve to be respected as more impressive.
Interestingly Hales had a very respectable record at West Ham ( but not Derby ) in the top flight scoring 10 goals in 24 games for a team heading for relegation. Like Clive Mendonca whose top flight career was ruined by injury I believe he would have been successful had he been given more chances in the top flight.But players from the past were at the pinnacle of game as it was played in their day. The cup team of 1947 would of course come a cropper against a Premier League side - it wouldn’t even be a contest - but they were one of the best sides in the land at that time. Far, far more successful in their era than any Charlton side since the Curbs era. But bring them to Sparrow's Lane for a match against the current side and they’d lose heavily. Wouldn’t they?0 -
I recall having a massive argument with my Dad about the difference in ability between footballers of his generation and those of my time. This disagreement revolved around us watching together old footage of the famous 1960 Real Madrid v Eintracht Frankfurt (7-3) European Cup Final. Like Puskas, my Dad used to play football in Hungary and fled from there in 1956 so that particular match was rather close to his heart for obvious reasons. "Did you see that bit of skill?" he would say, to which I would reply "yes but did you see the space he had?".
We never talked about that game again but, perhaps as slightly more mature individual now (well maybe only slightly), I would tend to agree that it is impossible to compare players from totally different eras. Perhaps best just to accept that they were the best of their time.3 -