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Andy Scott Appointed Technical Director - Gone Feb 2025 (p35)
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thenewbie said:Athletico Charlton said:DubaiCAFC said:charltonbob said:NabySarr said:Redmidland said:The proof of the ambition or otherwise of the owners will soon be known. Will Scott be able to deliver or will it be another set of loans and freebies?..we'll find out soon enough!
We are in league 1, it is going to cheap fees and loans at best. We’ve already spent more than nearly all teams at this level do in buying May, Edun and Taylor this summer
True, although sounds like upfront it was very very little.
"The fee Rovers are set to receive for Edun is understood to be undisclosed. However, the majority of the deal is understood to be sell-on clauses and performance-based add-ons, such as Charlton going up to the Championship"
Spending a lot of money up front has no bearing on the quality of the player (or not.) Edun wouldn't be better/worse if more of the fee was a one off spend.
Absolutely agree. My post wasn't meant as a criticism. Picking the right players is the key whether they are free or not and most L1 and signing will be free.1 -
JamesSeed said:Thanks @Chunes
So really only the following?
Penny, Bonne, Kane, Tedic & Abankwah: Duds
Thomas, Hector & Chem Campbell: OK
The poor signings are woeful and the ok ones are fine for mid table L1. We should be a team who aspire to more. To fail to get one real gem out of something like 10 signings is not a great start.
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No denying some of them are beyond saving but to write off Taylor, Edun and the Watsons as failures this early is a bit unfair.12
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Athletico Charlton said:JamesSeed said:Thanks @Chunes
So really only the following?
Penny, Bonne, Kane, Tedic & Abankwah: Duds
Thomas, Hector & Chem Campbell: OK
The poor signings are woeful and the ok ones are fine for mid table L1. We should be a team who aspire to more. To fail to get one real gem out of something like 10 signings is not a great start.0 -
JohnnyH2 said:0
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sam3110 said:That's not the definitive list though, as people like Taylor and Edun joined after the takeover.
Andy Scott gave a line to the piece on Taylor, and Edun was billed as "the first signing of the new ownership era"0 -
Dazzler21 said:Athletico Charlton said:JamesSeed said:Thanks @Chunes
So really only the following?
Penny, Bonne, Kane, Tedic & Abankwah: Duds
Thomas, Hector & Chem Campbell: OK
The poor signings are woeful and the ok ones are fine for mid table L1. We should be a team who aspire to more. To fail to get one real gem out of something like 10 signings is not a great start.
Couldn't care less what we are the last few years. My aspirations are for more than watching naff football forever more. It is quite clear we have been the most underperforming club in the UK for 3-4 years in a row. That will change one day I am sure.3 -
JamesSeed said:JohnnyH2 said:
If a Manager does not play a player then as a signing he is not much use.
I like what I see from Campbell but the important person in this does not.
The loan is the crucial part, what's the point in borrowing someone else's player if you don't use them, waste of a loan slot.2 -
The symbiotic relationship of Scott and whoever is picking the team means that there is an additional cog in the system that is making decisions that ultimately influence outcomes on the football pitch. Whilst it means that Scott is trying to look for longer term success in the football squad AND make decisions that suit both investors/coach, it's a huge role that, on reflection so far this season, he's not done very well imho. The loans have broadly been weak and the signings generally pretty average.
I think he should be just as accountable as the manager for not delivering playoffs minimum at the end of this season, as what feels probably more likely at this stage. I'll be happy to turn round and say I was wrong about him if we do somehow go on some miracle run to hit playoffs, but as we approach the holiday fixtures, he's definitely in a hole right now. He needs to deal with probably a few loans going back, plus a manager desperate for some level of experienced signings that go against his mantra of preparing for the future and not making another Aneke-esque signing. If he gets it wrong this January, it is yet another year in this league and in a season when Wigan and Reading were both scuppered with points deductions. If there was a weighting between Scott and Appleton as to why we are where we are right now, it definitely sits more on Scott than it does on Appleton right now.
Both of them need to get on the same page this January, and quickly, or this season is yet another wasted opportunity. I don't think it's beyond saving, but it's going to need 4-5 solid signings that will go straight into the first team and make a difference to give us a chance. Alongside that, I think CB-T will go to some team in the Championship, and if the similarly right offer came in, Dobson too - both of which would, quite rightly, have us all calling for heads to roll. Solid signings would give both of them reason to pause, but it is a huge balancing act. Dobson is probably the more likely of the two to stay, but even money coming after May could be incredibly scary as well.
I just think it is a massive 6-7 weeks for both Appleton and Scott to align properly for the club. I'm not kidding anyone in saying that I won't be there next season whether we hit the playoffs or not, but the death of a season in March is the most depressing thing. When playoffs become mathematically impossible, it kills my enjoyment of watching my beloved team stone dead. Both these men need to do their best ever work during this window, or it will be yet another dreary Spring.6 -
I wonder if Charlie boy could sack Scott, I think they are probably in bed together.0
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I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.0 -
JamesSeed said:sam3110 said:That's not the definitive list though, as people like Taylor and Edun joined after the takeover.
Andy Scott gave a line to the piece on Taylor, and Edun was billed as "the first signing of the new ownership era"0 -
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sam3110 said:JamesSeed said:sam3110 said:That's not the definitive list though, as people like Taylor and Edun joined after the takeover.
Andy Scott gave a line to the piece on Taylor, and Edun was billed as "the first signing of the new ownership era"0 -
@JohnnyH2
Not quite ‘one match out of a dozen’.
Chem (if I’m reading the stats page correctly) played three games earlier on; got scores of 6.26 (MotM v Oxford), 7.14 (v Fleetwood) & 5.51 (v Stevenage). He then didn’t start for 11 games, coming briefly as sub twice, followed by 6.17 v Cambridge. His best score was that 7.14, and he was MotM in a second match. Both the other scores were ok. and I, like you, like the look of him.So I can’t call him a dud signing, even if MA may have had doubts. I don’t particular mind if they send him back, were they to replace him with better though.In the meantime he’s likely to get more chances to prove himself before the window opens. Hope he does well.1 -
JamesSeed said:@JohnnyH2
Not quite ‘one match out of a dozen’.
Chem (if I’m reading the stats page correctly) played three games earlier on; got scores of 6.26 (MotM v Oxford), 7.14 (v Fleetwood) & 5.51 (v Stevenage). He then didn’t start for 11 games, coming briefly as sub twice, followed by 6.17 v Cambridge. His best score was that 7.14, and he was MotM in a second match. Both the other scores were ok. and I, like you, like the look of him.So I can’t call him a dud signing, even if MA may have had doubts. I don’t particular mind if they send him back, were they to replace him with better though.In the meantime he’s likely to get more chances to prove himself before the window opens. Hope he does well.
But the Manager does not.
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Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.1 -
Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.5 -
Dazzler21 said:Athletico Charlton said:JamesSeed said:Thanks @Chunes
So really only the following?
Penny, Bonne, Kane, Tedic & Abankwah: Duds
Thomas, Hector & Chem Campbell: OK
The poor signings are woeful and the ok ones are fine for mid table L1. We should be a team who aspire to more. To fail to get one real gem out of something like 10 signings is not a great start.6 -
Dazzler21 said:Athletico Charlton said:JamesSeed said:Thanks @Chunes
So really only the following?
Penny, Bonne, Kane, Tedic & Abankwah: Duds
Thomas, Hector & Chem Campbell: OK
The poor signings are woeful and the ok ones are fine for mid table L1. We should be a team who aspire to more. To fail to get one real gem out of something like 10 signings is not a great start.We don’t know exactly where our budget sits but there can be no doubt it’s higher than the 10th and 13th places we finished in the last two seasons.13 - Sponsored links:
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NabySarr said:Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.
Hire the right people to do each of those jobs and oversee each department to ensure they’re running effectively should be the goal.0 -
Callumcafc said:NabySarr said:Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.
Hire the right people to do each of those jobs and oversee each department to ensure they’re running effectively should be the goal.0 -
Callumcafc said:NabySarr said:Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.
Hire the right people to do each of those jobs and oversee each department to ensure they’re running effectively should be the goal.0 -
DOUCHER said:Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.
He wants to convince players with loftier ambitions to sign for Charlton.2 -
Covered End said:DOUCHER said:Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.
He wants to convince players with loftier ambitions to sign for Charlton.7 -
Covered End said:DOUCHER said:Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.
He wants to convince players with loftier ambitions to sign for Charlton.
I have to say when he said that all I could think of was Tommy Sandgaard, I am sure he said something similar. Then bought Kirk and DJ and Lavelle.0 -
NabySarr said:Callumcafc said:NabySarr said:Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.
Hire the right people to do each of those jobs and oversee each department to ensure they’re running effectively should be the goal.
says:
“… and we’re improving our recruitment team … we’ve had a lot of discussions over that and want to make sure we’ve got enough eyes watching players ready for January and for the summer … we’ve got a lot of data, we’ve got people watching games but we want to improve that department and make sure it’s running exactly how we want it so that every window moving forward we can be in a better position at the end of it”
It doesn’t sound like the comments of someone who is actively leading our recruitment department.0 -
Covered End said:DOUCHER said:Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.
He wants to convince players with loftier ambitions to sign for Charlton.12 -
Athletico Charlton said:Covered End said:DOUCHER said:Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.
He wants to convince players with loftier ambitions to sign for Charlton.
I have to say when he said that all I could think of was Tommy Sandgaard, I am sure he said something similar. Then bought Kirk and DJ and Lavelle.4 -
AFKABartram said:Covered End said:DOUCHER said:Callumcafc said:I think, long term, the idea is that Scott has little to no influence on player scouting or recommendations after our new scouting team is fully fleshed out - just as a technical director is meant to have little to no influence on the tactics and team selection when a head coach and his staff are working at Sparrows Lane every day.
In the mean time, he’s definitely missed on a few, especially loanees, but in interviews has spoken about improving the club’s scouting processes. Whether that’s through better tools or simply more bodies in the building we don’t know.
But I think his days of having an input on signing the likes of Chem Campbell (I remember his signing distinctly because Scott’s comments on him stood out) will soon be a thing of the past.
He wants to convince players with loftier ambitions to sign for Charlton.
What I hope Scott is alluding to is that we start bringing in some high pedigree that are genuinely being courted by championship clubs.
That will take wedge..and plenty of it2
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