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January 2024 Transfer Rumours (D/day starts pg.263)
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Hang on a minute @RonnieMoore, you've fully supported the last 10-12 yrs of ownership! Now you say it's been mis-managed for the last 10 to12 yrs! Fuck me you do 'flip-flop'! As its been pointed out to you, it's not difficult to build a competitive squad, it just needs ambition,forward planning and a decent budget!RonnieMoore said:
There no heat on the owners blimey only been in the role 5 mins .. going to take rest of this season and next to sort out the mis management of the last 10/12 years … and for us to have the structure and foundations to build a top 2 team uponBraziliance said:I don't see us getting Conor Coventry. Featured for West Ham on the bench, I don't see him dropping down to league 1 on a permanent.
I think that link stinks of agent talk/ the club giving Cawley something to post as we trust him and it may take the heat off them.
Sort of like how I am interested in Dua Lipa but she has the pick of most blokes in the world & I'm just a tubby lad from London
Scott and Co have had 1/2 a season to look at the squad, observe where we are short of quality and find replacements! Stop all this "but they've only been here 5 mins crap" they are businessmen, they make money for a living, they do it by investing in the future, if they can't see, with their own eyes the crap on the pitch, they have no business being here!
Take those Roland, ESI and Sangaard rose tinted glasses off and look at what's happening, we are 14th in the old 3rd Division, and 6 pts above the relegation spots! FFS!!26 -
Braziliance said:
It is more so it being a permanent transfer.PWADDICK said:
Apart from half a season in the championship he’s only played League 1 footballBraziliance said:I don't see us getting Conor Coventry. Featured for West Ham on the bench, I don't see him dropping down to league 1 on a permanent.
I think that link stinks of agent talk/ the club giving Cawley something to post as we trust him and it may take the heat off them.
Sort of like how I am interested in Dua Lipa but she has the pick of most blokes in the world & I'm just a tubby lad from London
Good player but I reckon this one is unlikely. If we did manage it however and kept Dobson, that would be a cracking midfield duo
If we did manage it however and kept Dobson, that *could* be a cracking midfield duo.Just to be in the safe side, because we’ve been here before so often Braz. 😉1 -
He’s 24 in March and has been said he’ll be leaving West Ham at the end of his contract. I’d imagine they’d rather get a fee for him perhaps with a sell on clause rather than lose him for nothing in the summer.Braziliance said:
It is more so it being a permanent transfer.PWADDICK said:
Apart from half a season in the championship he’s only played League 1 footballBraziliance said:I don't see us getting Conor Coventry. Featured for West Ham on the bench, I don't see him dropping down to league 1 on a permanent.
I think that link stinks of agent talk/ the club giving Cawley something to post as we trust him and it may take the heat off them.
Sort of like how I am interested in Dua Lipa but she has the pick of most blokes in the world & I'm just a tubby lad from London
Good player but I reckon this one is unlikely. If we did manage it however and kept Dobson, that would be a cracking midfield duo
He’s had four loan spells, two in L1 and two in the Championship, both of the latter with smaller clubs in Posh and Rotherham. If he was going to seriously interest Championship clubs he’d have probably left WH by now.
He’s also played under MA at Lincoln and will be available, I’d be surprised if we weren’t interested.
It’s not the sort of signing we’ve made before but for all those reasons he seems a realistic target to me. We need to bring in experience but if we’re making several signings a few like Coventry who have some but are young enough to improve would make sense.8 -
Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.
Just spending money isn't enough.
Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.
Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.
Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.
Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.
You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).
You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.
You need good recruitment so you get the right personalities.
You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.
You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.
You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.
You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.
We've yet to see if GFP are any better.
Right, back to some rumours now.
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It's true, Dobson's one against Orient has practically changed colour...killerandflash said:
I'd rather have Fraser's shirt, as it would be cleanerTalal said:
Dobson's given more shirts away than he's done sliding challenges.Lewis Coaches said:
Dobson gave his shirt and captains arm band to a young boy at the end of the game to Oxford . Think that tells you he is off?golfaddick said:
Yes, they can leave for nothing in the summer so how much do you think we could get in fees for them NOW, seeing as they can be picked up for nothing in 6 months time ? £200k ? £300k ?ShootersHillGuru said:
They are forcing the club to a corner though aren’t they. They can leave for nothing if they don’t sign in the next few weeks which is quite rightly unacceptable to the club so what is the club supposed to do ? We have made them an offer which I can only assume is as much as we can afford given their importance to the team. I think the take it or leave it offer at this point is absolutely the correct thing to do.killerandflash said:
I've not seen any evidence to say that for definite. Just because a player isn't signing a new deal now, it doesn't follow that they're 100% set on leaving.ShootersHillGuru said:It would be great if we retained Dobson and CBT but it’s pretty obvious that they both want out. No idea what’s been offered to them but I doubt it’s not competitive. They are after all important players for us but if they can get better offers beyond ours and want out then now’s the time to usher them out the door when we can hopefully get a small fee for both. That’s the reality of football. We’ll no doubt be taking advantage of the same opportunities. If there’s truth in Coventry and JCH there’s two straight away.
They might be waiting to see what division we're in next season.
They might be waiting to see what transfer business happens.
They might be waiting to see what offers come in once the season has finished before deciding whether to stay or not.
Either way it would be daft to push players out of the door just because they might leave. Patrick Bauer helped us get promotion before leaving, for example.
I would suggest that would pale into insignificance if they left now & we got relegated. We would lose that much 5x over being in League 2.
Their VALUE to us is worth more than their COST.......even if its just for 5 more months.
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Scoham said:
He’s 24 in March and has been said he’ll be leaving West Ham at the end of his contract. I’d imagine they’d rather get a fee for him perhaps with a sell on clause rather than lose him for nothing in the summer.Braziliance said:
It is more so it being a permanent transfer.PWADDICK said:
Apart from half a season in the championship he’s only played League 1 footballBraziliance said:I don't see us getting Conor Coventry. Featured for West Ham on the bench, I don't see him dropping down to league 1 on a permanent.
I think that link stinks of agent talk/ the club giving Cawley something to post as we trust him and it may take the heat off them.
Sort of like how I am interested in Dua Lipa but she has the pick of most blokes in the world & I'm just a tubby lad from London
Good player but I reckon this one is unlikely. If we did manage it however and kept Dobson, that would be a cracking midfield duo
He’s had four loan spells, two in L1 and two in the Championship, both of the latter with smaller clubs in Posh and Rotherham. If he was going to seriously interest Championship clubs he’d have probably left WH by now.
He’s also played under MA at Lincoln and will be available, I’d be surprised if we weren’t interested.
It’s not the sort of signing we’ve made before but for all those reasons he seems a realistic target to me. We need to bring in experience but if we’re making several signings a few like Coventry who have some but are young enough to improve would make sense.
Great points , and I don't think him being on the bench for them last night actually changes much in terms of if he's a realistic target. He's never going to be a first team regular at West Ham.
Feels like a realistic target of a player that's got the potential to develop with us and maybe down the line has sell on potential for good money.2 -
"Crystal Palace have had numerous bids for Peterborough and England youth defender Ronnie Edwards, 20, turned down. They face competition from up to five Premier League clubs with the League One club holding out for up to £10m".
Might explain why Peterborough aren't in a rush to accept low bids for Clarke-Harris.6 -
A great reminder of how much a good young player can be sold for at this level. It would be even more if he was in the Championship.Chris_from_Sidcup said:"Crystal Palace have had numerous bids for Peterborough and England youth defender Ronnie Edwards, 20, turned down. They face competition from up to five Premier League clubs with the League One club holding out for up to £10m".
Might explain why Peterborough aren't in a rush to accept low bids for Clarke-Harris.1 -
Peterborough with their ability to scout Lower League gems (Doesnt always work granted), and ability to hold out for good fees is an element that we should be looking at.6
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But I doubt Edwards is in his last six months of his contract and can walk for nothing if he’s not out the door in four weeks.Chris_from_Sidcup said:"Crystal Palace have had numerous bids for Peterborough and England youth defender Ronnie Edwards, 20, turned down. They face competition from up to five Premier League clubs with the League One club holding out for up to £10m".
Might explain why Peterborough aren't in a rush to accept low bids for Clarke-Harris.2 -
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There's been links with a new CB, CM and CF (how credible remains tbc) but that's the "spine of the team" as the old cliche has it.
Which honestly is not a bad thing as I think most people agree that cosmetic surgery won't fix this team, we need heavy duty work and lots of it.
That said, not even a whisper of new FBs or a GK, both of which seem quite pressing to me.
Appreciate its early days but there is a LOT of work to do so hopefully things start moving quickly instead of the usual 10:55 31st Jan panic buy model.0 -
They could also have a bonus with the Ivan Toney sell on shortlyScoham said:
A great reminder of how much a good young player can be sold for at this level. It would be even more if he was in the Championship.Chris_from_Sidcup said:"Crystal Palace have had numerous bids for Peterborough and England youth defender Ronnie Edwards, 20, turned down. They face competition from up to five Premier League clubs with the League One club holding out for up to £10m".
Might explain why Peterborough aren't in a rush to accept low bids for Clarke-Harris.2 -
I think we need a winger nearly as badly as we need a striker. If CBT has an off day we have zero threat. Tyreece is a decent young kid but he isn't half as dangerous as CBT.22
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Maybe Coventry was on the bench last night as a farewell gesture.4
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Only if we persist with 4-3-3 …Covered_End_Lad said:I think we need a winger nearly as badly as we need a striker. If CBT has an off day we have zero threat. Tyreece is a decent young kid but he isn't half as dangerous as CBT.0 -
There’s a good argument for strengthening in every position but I hope we prioritise the spine to add experience, leadership and physicality to the team as I think it would have a biggest impact.thenewbie said:There's been links with a new CB, CM and CF (how credible remains tbc) but that's the "spine of the team" as the old cliche has it.
Which honestly is not a bad thing as I think most people agree that cosmetic surgery won't fix this team, we need heavy duty work and lots of it.
That said, not even a whisper of new FBs or a GK, both of which seem quite pressing to me.
Appreciate its early days but there is a LOT of work to do so hopefully things start moving quickly instead of the usual 10:55 31st Jan panic buy model.1 -
Hasn’t MA used 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 his entire management career?billysboots said:
Only if we persist with 4-3-3 …Covered_End_Lad said:I think we need a winger nearly as badly as we need a striker. If CBT has an off day we have zero threat. Tyreece is a decent young kid but he isn't half as dangerous as CBT.0 -
But very simply put👍Henry Irving said:Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.
Just spending money isn't enough.
Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.
Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.
Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.
Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.
You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).
You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.
You need good recruitment so you get the right personalities.
You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.
You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.
You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.
You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.
We've yet to see if GFP are any better.
Right, back to some rumours now.5 -
Spot onBraziliance said:
Well there is I'd say and they really haven't.RonnieMoore said:
There no heat on the owners blimey only been in the role 5 mins .. going to take rest of this season and next to sort out the mis management of the last 10/12 years … and for us to have the structure and foundations to build a top 2 team uponBraziliance said:I don't see us getting Conor Coventry. Featured for West Ham on the bench, I don't see him dropping down to league 1 on a permanent.
I think that link stinks of agent talk/ the club giving Cawley something to post as we trust him and it may take the heat off them.
Sort of like how I am interested in Dua Lipa but she has the pick of most blokes in the world & I'm just a tubby lad from London
It's also not that hard to turn around? You literally just pay the going rate for players like every other successful club does at this level or you're full of sh*t and don't.
Portsmouth have a fairly new manager, signed a ton of new players and are flying? All this building and project stuff is nonsense and to trick fans.
You assign a manager worth their salt, you get a squad full of players of the quality of the likes of Dobson, May and CBT in every position. You then get promoted as it's league 1. You build teams in the championship where it's all about sustainability, if you're a big club, you buy your way out of league 1. Really is that simple I'm afraid1 -
Never too late to changeScoham said:
Hasn’t MA used 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 his entire management career?billysboots said:
Only if we persist with 4-3-3 …Covered_End_Lad said:I think we need a winger nearly as badly as we need a striker. If CBT has an off day we have zero threat. Tyreece is a decent young kid but he isn't half as dangerous as CBT.0 -
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I seem to remember the line being trodden during the summer window was that we couldn't sign more players because then we would have broken FFP.DubaiCAFC said:
Because basically the whole window was planned around Holden… he basically got the younger small squad he wanted!NabySarr said:
Why did we not do this in the summer?! They’ve basically wasted a season (and a very weak league 1) and missed a great opportunity.DubaiCAFC said:Coventry isn’t one I have heard, but if true I would imagine would be a permanent signing, he certainly fits the type of players we are looking.I would add, that Dobson has been offer a take or leave or deal, if he doesn’t sign, he will be gone, same as CBT. But I think that is old news.
As I mentioned there is going to be a lot of transactions this month, in and out of the club. I honestly think these owners want to a big go at, I get to fans are once bitten twice as shy, and want instant success, but personally I feel we need to give them a bit of time, they haven’t done anything alarmingly wrong at the moment. They have a strategy and a plan, and it is certainly bette than the last few owners that’s for sure!As I go back, there is a base on here would only be happy if it was Varney that took over!It is a big month for Scott, if no improvement then we deserve to go after him, but at the moment the jury is out for me!If the money is there now, why wasn’t it in the summer? Just seems like a bit of an odd approach
But it turns out it was Holden that was rejecting experienced and capable strikers for a month while losing games and later his job, in favour of holding out for Tedic on deadline day.16 -
On the money - 100% agreeBraziliance said:
Well there is I'd say and they really haven't.RonnieMoore said:
There no heat on the owners blimey only been in the role 5 mins .. going to take rest of this season and next to sort out the mis management of the last 10/12 years … and for us to have the structure and foundations to build a top 2 team uponBraziliance said:I don't see us getting Conor Coventry. Featured for West Ham on the bench, I don't see him dropping down to league 1 on a permanent.
I think that link stinks of agent talk/ the club giving Cawley something to post as we trust him and it may take the heat off them.
Sort of like how I am interested in Dua Lipa but she has the pick of most blokes in the world & I'm just a tubby lad from London
It's also not that hard to turn around? You literally just pay the going rate for players like every other successful club does at this level or you're full of sh*t and don't.
Portsmouth have a fairly new manager, signed a ton of new players and are flying? All this building and project stuff is nonsense and to trick fans.
You assign a manager worth their salt, you get a squad full of players of the quality of the likes of Dobson, May and CBT in every position. You then get promoted as it's league 1. You build teams in the championship where it's all about sustainability, if you're a big club, you buy your way out of league 1. Really is that simple I'm afraid1 -
major surgery needed in our squad, the names being mentioned on this thread as potential signings look decent.
let's assume we lose both Dobson and CBT - both need replacing, that's before we need another striker.
Personally of our current first choice back 5, only Jones would keep his place - I know we won't get them, but 2 new FB's, a Hector replacement and a new keeper would be on my shopping list2 -
Are we expecting any signing before Saturday?1
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Looks like Gillesphey is pretty much done so him aside, who knows, interesting that we havent announced that yet, are we waiting for someone else to sign the dotted line to do a double announcement perhaps?Mitchcafc07 said:Are we expecting any signing before Saturday?0 -
Think people overthink these announcements a bit. The comms team will announce any signing as soon as they're allowed. If they don't then it makes it tricky to get training photos, those videos of the players coming out the changing rooms etc. He probably just hasn't quite signed yet. Don't think he would have been in the lounges if he wasn't going to sign thoughYannTheMann said:
Looks like Gillesphey is pretty much done so him aside, who knows, interesting that we havent announced that yet, are we waiting for someone else to sign the dotted line to do a double announcement perhaps?Mitchcafc07 said:Are we expecting any signing before Saturday?4 -
Before Saturday I'd guess just Gillesphey, not sure what his fitness is like in terms of him being involved though. Unless something else is quite advanced with one of the other names that have been mentioned/rumoured on here then I'd expect just him.0
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I think the two things will ultimately be fairly separate. Peterborough are in a bit of a jam because they love their hard negotiating stance but it's also well known that they absolutely will not let a player leave on a free in the summer when they could get money for him in January. People won't like it but I wouldn't be hugely surprised if he ended up going somewhere on deadline day for a reasonable fee as Peterborough run out of time to get something for him. In footballing terms it's not ideal but in business terms it makes sense, and we all know which of those generally wins outChris_from_Sidcup said:"Crystal Palace have had numerous bids for Peterborough and England youth defender Ronnie Edwards, 20, turned down. They face competition from up to five Premier League clubs with the League One club holding out for up to £10m".
Might explain why Peterborough aren't in a rush to accept low bids for Clarke-Harris.2 -
Absolutely this. Those old enough will recall Big Mouth (Malcolm Alison) had a huge budget at Man City and was happy to spend it. No success though.Henry Irving said:Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.
Just spending money isn't enough.
Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.
Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.
Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.
Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.
You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).
You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.
You need good recruitment so you get the right personalities.
You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.
You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.
You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.
You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.
We've yet to see if GFP are any better.
Right, back to some rumours now.
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