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January 2024 Transfer Rumours (D/day starts pg.263)
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It's unusual for talk of plausible signings to make its way to reliable sources like Cawley at SLP this early in the window
No way of knowing if that's cos stuff is moving and positive
Or just new people in post who are far better at running bullshit up flagpoles to keep we gullible addickted under the illusion fings ain't as bad as they seem?
JCH from Posh has to be the least likely for several reasons mentioned already
Gillesphey could be an upgrade cos our CH bar is so low, he ain't played much lately so he fits that essential criterion for recent signings
A youngish Irish West Ham midfielder fires memories of Josh Cullen, so that's another one we're happy to lap up1 -
It does until he signs for someone else. That’ll then be due to his new club overpaying the fee/wages or Peterborough’s unrealistic demands. We’ll be told we’re saving the money for the summer when prices are more realistic and players are out of contract.Todds_right_hook said:
Why? Peterborough have to play pretty much half the teams in this league. Does it matter if JCH plays against them in January for us, or February, or March etc for another league 1 team?RonnieMoore said:Peterbro won’t sell Clarke -Harris to us until after we played them couple of weeks time , between now and then there hoping that Huddersfield or Stoke or another league one side will start an auction may for him and pay more money …0 -
Todds_right_hook said:
Why? Peterborough have to play pretty much half the teams in this league. Does it matter if JCH plays against them in January for us, or February, or March etc for another league 1 team?RonnieMoore said:Peterbro won’t sell Clarke -Harris to us until after we played them couple of weeks time , between now and then there hoping that Huddersfield or Stoke or another league one side will start an auction may for him and pay more money …Because we are the only club potentially interested whereby they can both influence their own points total and still receive a fee. I agree it wouldn’t impact when in January they sell to Derby, say, if they were going to do so anyway.
To me it’s not unreasonable to think this might be a factor in their thinking as to the timing of things alongside many others. There’s doubtless a price at which they would sell him to us today. It’s a game of poker which they appear to play pretty well more often than not.
Timing of this deal, and others, much less important to us now than it was a few weeks ago if you take the view we are not in danger of going down. We just need to exit the window with a handful of players who will improve us next season, and that in turn should deal with any residual relegation worries. This isn’t to say we will have a good window, but I suspect it will play out differently to many of the recent ones, and those of us still with an open mind will be able to make a better judgement as to whether those now in charge of Charlton are serious about on field success, capable and credible.
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Can any of you Whovians on here confirm that Gillesphey is Dr Who's home planet?10
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I'm a little bit neutral on the JCH signing as I don't think people are going to like him as much as they think if he does sign. He's pretty much the opposite of Alfie May as a striker; when he's scoring he's popular but when he's not he tends to get fans' backs up because his on-pitch attitude doesn't look as good and he doesn't contribute a huge amount to phases of play. I can see him having a bit of a goalscoring drought and getting the fans on his back, especially if he comes in to play as the 9 and fans see him as essentially aiding in May being pushed out to the right again, which is what Appleton will most likely do. Ideally he'd come in, immediately start scoring and link up well with May but when has the ideal ever happened for us? We will see11
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Garrymanilow said:
KermorgantI'm a little bit neutral on the JCH signing as I don't think people are going to like him as much as they think if he does sign. He's pretty much the opposite of Alfie May as a striker; when he's scoring he's popular but when he's not he tends to get fans' backs up because his on-pitch attitude doesn't look as good and he doesn't contribute a huge amount to phases of play. I can see him having a bit of a goalscoring drought and getting the fans on his back, especially if he comes in to play as the 9 and fans see him as essentially aiding in May being pushed out to the right again, which is what Appleton will most likely do. Ideally he'd come in, immediately start scoring and link up well with May but when has the ideal ever happened for us? We will see0 -
Kishishev. What are we doing?Southbank said:Garrymanilow said:
KermorgantI'm a little bit neutral on the JCH signing as I don't think people are going to like him as much as they think if he does sign. He's pretty much the opposite of Alfie May as a striker; when he's scoring he's popular but when he's not he tends to get fans' backs up because his on-pitch attitude doesn't look as good and he doesn't contribute a huge amount to phases of play. I can see him having a bit of a goalscoring drought and getting the fans on his back, especially if he comes in to play as the 9 and fans see him as essentially aiding in May being pushed out to the right again, which is what Appleton will most likely do. Ideally he'd come in, immediately start scoring and link up well with May but when has the ideal ever happened for us? We will see9 -
Kermorgant added a lot to overall build up and play, he'd often drop back and be a good outlet at the top. Even if losing he'd look like he put a shift in.Southbank said:Garrymanilow said:
KermorgantI'm a little bit neutral on the JCH signing as I don't think people are going to like him as much as they think if he does sign. He's pretty much the opposite of Alfie May as a striker; when he's scoring he's popular but when he's not he tends to get fans' backs up because his on-pitch attitude doesn't look as good and he doesn't contribute a huge amount to phases of play. I can see him having a bit of a goalscoring drought and getting the fans on his back, especially if he comes in to play as the 9 and fans see him as essentially aiding in May being pushed out to the right again, which is what Appleton will most likely do. Ideally he'd come in, immediately start scoring and link up well with May but when has the ideal ever happened for us? We will see
Wright-Phillips would probably be closer as if he didn't get service he'd look out of the game completely.4 -
Kanu? Maybe naming Charlton players who surname starts with K.Garrymanilow said:
Kishishev. What are we doing?Southbank said:Garrymanilow said:
KermorgantI'm a little bit neutral on the JCH signing as I don't think people are going to like him as much as they think if he does sign. He's pretty much the opposite of Alfie May as a striker; when he's scoring he's popular but when he's not he tends to get fans' backs up because his on-pitch attitude doesn't look as good and he doesn't contribute a huge amount to phases of play. I can see him having a bit of a goalscoring drought and getting the fans on his back, especially if he comes in to play as the 9 and fans see him as essentially aiding in May being pushed out to the right again, which is what Appleton will most likely do. Ideally he'd come in, immediately start scoring and link up well with May but when has the ideal ever happened for us? We will see2 -
Everything you just said is solved by money though and I am saying money gets you out of league 1, I understand the championship is a more complex beast (you spend even more money)Henry Irving said:Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.
Just spending money isn't enough.
Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.
Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.
Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.
Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.
You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).
You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.
You need good recruitment so you get the right personalities.
You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.
You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.
You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.
You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.
We've yet to see if GFP are any better.
Right, back to some rumours now.
A good manager, is secured by money or having knowledge of managers on the up, which you need to buy out from their club.
A balanced squad you gain by spending money, good scouts are on good money, the right sports science, again money.
Everything you said just involves us spending more than the other teams to secure the top staff at this level?
Sandgaards arrogance, was his downfall, not the size of his wallet. Had he had the right people in his ear, we wouldn't be in this league still. Unfortunately he's his own man and refused to have the humility to let people give him the advice he needed.
Roland is old news and a lot more complex, he also had us in the championship whereas I am talking about league 1 here. Roland didn't spend the required cash to be competitive in the championship but that's a whole other argument.
Any ownership that comes in and talks about 'building projects' 'plans in place' is talking sh*t to save money. This league is tripe and it's no coincidence all the bigger spenders are in the top 8 (we'd probably be with a decent, non-journeyman manager)
You buy your way out of here, you aim to survive the following season in the championship and then you build there where players are more likely to stay and if they don't they go for reasonable fees. There is no long sustainability in this league or time for 'projects' as seen by our dwindling numbers and loss of interest in Charlton.14 -
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Can imagine it now "Terry Taylor will be like a new signing when he returns to action in February"
Just doing some googling of our squad and forgot he existed.7 -
FishCostaFortune said:
Kanu? Maybe naming Charlton players who surname starts with K.Garrymanilow said:
Kishishev. What are we doing?Southbank said:Garrymanilow said:
KermorgantI'm a little bit neutral on the JCH signing as I don't think people are going to like him as much as they think if he does sign. He's pretty much the opposite of Alfie May as a striker; when he's scoring he's popular but when he's not he tends to get fans' backs up because his on-pitch attitude doesn't look as good and he doesn't contribute a huge amount to phases of play. I can see him having a bit of a goalscoring drought and getting the fans on his back, especially if he comes in to play as the 9 and fans see him as essentially aiding in May being pushed out to the right again, which is what Appleton will most likely do. Ideally he'd come in, immediately start scoring and link up well with May but when has the ideal ever happened for us? We will see
Kurbishley. .. ?
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It's not just money though, it's money and good decision making. The decision making is where we've been lacking for so so longBraziliance said:
Everything you just said is solved by money though and I am saying money gets you out of league 1, I understand the championship is a more complex beast (you spend even more money)Henry Irving said:Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.
Just spending money isn't enough.
Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.
Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.
Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.
Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.
You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).
You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.
You need good recruitment so you get the right personalities.
You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.
You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.
You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.
You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.
We've yet to see if GFP are any better.
Right, back to some rumours now.
A good manager, is secured by money or having knowledge of managers on the up, which you need to buy out from their club.
A balanced squad you gain by spending money, good scouts are on good money, the right sports science, again money.
Everything you said just involves us spending more than the other teams to secure the top staff at this level?
Sandgaards arrogance, was his downfall, not the size of his wallet. Had he had the right people in his ear, we wouldn't be in this league still. Unfortunately he's his own man and refused to have the humility to let people give him the advice he needed.
Roland is old news and a lot more complex, he also had us in the championship whereas I am talking about league 1 here. Roland didn't spend the required cash to be competitive in the championship but that's a whole other argument.
Any ownership that comes in and talks about 'building projects' 'plans in place' is talking sh*t to save money. This league is tripe and it's no coincidence all the bigger spenders are in the top 8 (we'd probably be with a decent, non-journeyman manager)
You buy your way out of here, you aim to survive the following season in the championship and then you build there where players are more likely to stay and if they don't they go for reasonable fees. There is no long sustainability in this league or time for 'projects' as seen by our dwindling numbers and loss of interest in Charlton.2 -
Karma karma karma karma chameleon2
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Terry Taylor will be like a new signing when he comes back.11
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I fucking love this - made me laugh about something Charlton related for the first time since I missed a game being streamed through being at work back in november!Todds_right_hook said
Jan 31st
The new signings have already been integrated into Charlton’s style of play when Scott Fraser spent 20 minutes in training pointing to where he wants them to close down players on his behalf
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You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all.fenaddick said:
It's not just money though, it's money and good decision making. The decision making is where we've been lacking for so so longBraziliance said:
Everything you just said is solved by money though and I am saying money gets you out of league 1, I understand the championship is a more complex beast (you spend even more money)Henry Irving said:Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.
Just spending money isn't enough.
Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.
Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.
Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.
Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.
You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).
You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.
You need good recruitment so you get the right personalities.
You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.
You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.
You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.
You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.
We've yet to see if GFP are any better.
Right, back to some rumours now.
A good manager, is secured by money or having knowledge of managers on the up, which you need to buy out from their club.
A balanced squad you gain by spending money, good scouts are on good money, the right sports science, again money.
Everything you said just involves us spending more than the other teams to secure the top staff at this level?
Sandgaards arrogance, was his downfall, not the size of his wallet. Had he had the right people in his ear, we wouldn't be in this league still. Unfortunately he's his own man and refused to have the humility to let people give him the advice he needed.
Roland is old news and a lot more complex, he also had us in the championship whereas I am talking about league 1 here. Roland didn't spend the required cash to be competitive in the championship but that's a whole other argument.
Any ownership that comes in and talks about 'building projects' 'plans in place' is talking sh*t to save money. This league is tripe and it's no coincidence all the bigger spenders are in the top 8 (we'd probably be with a decent, non-journeyman manager)
You buy your way out of here, you aim to survive the following season in the championship and then you build there where players are more likely to stay and if they don't they go for reasonable fees. There is no long sustainability in this league or time for 'projects' as seen by our dwindling numbers and loss of interest in Charlton.
I understand where you are coming from though and I have sort of covered that by mentioning Sandgaard.
Unfortunately based on our recent transfer history and the fact that Appleton is still in post, we evidently have neither currently until proven otherwise.2 -
I fucking love this - made me laugh about something Charlton related for the first time since I missed a game being streamed through being at work back in november!cabbles said:
Jan 31stMarcusH26 said:Surprised we haven't had any official announcement yet about Abankwah going back or anyone else for that matter. Seemed like yesterday a lot of clubs were announcing loan terminations and things . Cheltenham have sent back 5 of their 6 after Darrell Clarke took over.
Charlton Athletic are delighted to announce the signings of the ‘Cheltenham 5’ on loan for the rest of the 23/24 season.
Luciano D'Auria-Henry (Fulham), Oli Hammond (Nottingham Forest), Josh Williams (Birmingham City), Jovan Malcolm (West Bromwich Albion) and Cameron Peupion (Brighton and Hove Albion) were unable to make their mark at Waddon Road as Cheltenham struggled to break out the bottom 4 of league one, but with Appleton unsuccessful in bringing in any players of real quality and note, the closer we got to the deadline, it was important to bolster the squad in the run in as we battle relegation after no wins in January.
Michael is aware that these may not be the players fans were expecting after being linked with the likes of Johnson Clarke Harris earlier in the window, but he’s confident that the experience the 5 gained earlier in the season when Cheltenham took 14 league games to record their first win, bodes well for the Addicks and their current form
Michael looks forward to telling us all how well they’ve all competed in matches to come, and that we’re not that far off a challenge for promotion in future years if 2 or 3 of them sign permanent deals.
The new signings have already been integrated into Charlton’s style of play when Scott Fraser spent 20 minutes in training pointing to where he wants them to close down players on his behalf
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Think Plymouth are a good example of decision making being more important. Not denying that they've spent money but they're a relatively small club for the Championship and location makes them a hard sell. But they have a good philosophy and set up which has led to 2 coaches in a row being poached. Neither were big name expensive hires.Braziliance said:
You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all.fenaddick said:
It's not just money though, it's money and good decision making. The decision making is where we've been lacking for so so longBraziliance said:
Everything you just said is solved by money though and I am saying money gets you out of league 1, I understand the championship is a more complex beast (you spend even more money)Henry Irving said:Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.
Just spending money isn't enough.
Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.
Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.
Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.
Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.
You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).
You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.
You need good recruitment so you get the right personalities.
You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.
You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.
You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.
You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.
We've yet to see if GFP are any better.
Right, back to some rumours now.
A good manager, is secured by money or having knowledge of managers on the up, which you need to buy out from their club.
A balanced squad you gain by spending money, good scouts are on good money, the right sports science, again money.
Everything you said just involves us spending more than the other teams to secure the top staff at this level?
Sandgaards arrogance, was his downfall, not the size of his wallet. Had he had the right people in his ear, we wouldn't be in this league still. Unfortunately he's his own man and refused to have the humility to let people give him the advice he needed.
Roland is old news and a lot more complex, he also had us in the championship whereas I am talking about league 1 here. Roland didn't spend the required cash to be competitive in the championship but that's a whole other argument.
Any ownership that comes in and talks about 'building projects' 'plans in place' is talking sh*t to save money. This league is tripe and it's no coincidence all the bigger spenders are in the top 8 (we'd probably be with a decent, non-journeyman manager)
You buy your way out of here, you aim to survive the following season in the championship and then you build there where players are more likely to stay and if they don't they go for reasonable fees. There is no long sustainability in this league or time for 'projects' as seen by our dwindling numbers and loss of interest in Charlton.
I understand where you are coming from though and I have sort of covered that by mentioning Sandgaard.
Unfortunately based on our recent transfer history and the fact that Appleton is still in post, we evidently have neither currently until proven otherwise.0 -
A new signing will be like Terry Taylor when he comes back1
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KinsellaFishCostaFortune said:
Kanu? Maybe naming Charlton players who surname starts with K.Garrymanilow said:
Kishishev. What are we doing?Southbank said:Garrymanilow said:
KermorgantI'm a little bit neutral on the JCH signing as I don't think people are going to like him as much as they think if he does sign. He's pretty much the opposite of Alfie May as a striker; when he's scoring he's popular but when he's not he tends to get fans' backs up because his on-pitch attitude doesn't look as good and he doesn't contribute a huge amount to phases of play. I can see him having a bit of a goalscoring drought and getting the fans on his back, especially if he comes in to play as the 9 and fans see him as essentially aiding in May being pushed out to the right again, which is what Appleton will most likely do. Ideally he'd come in, immediately start scoring and link up well with May but when has the ideal ever happened for us? We will see0 -
I have seen today Posh fans saying he wasn't very good and they sent him back.Scoham said:
He’s 24 in March and has been said he’ll be leaving West Ham at the end of his contract. I’d imagine they’d rather get a fee for him perhaps with a sell on clause rather than lose him for nothing in the summer.Braziliance said:
It is more so it being a permanent transfer.PWADDICK said:
Apart from half a season in the championship he’s only played League 1 footballBraziliance said:I don't see us getting Conor Coventry. Featured for West Ham on the bench, I don't see him dropping down to league 1 on a permanent.
I think that link stinks of agent talk/ the club giving Cawley something to post as we trust him and it may take the heat off them.
Sort of like how I am interested in Dua Lipa but she has the pick of most blokes in the world & I'm just a tubby lad from London
Good player but I reckon this one is unlikely. If we did manage it however and kept Dobson, that would be a cracking midfield duo
He’s had four loan spells, two in L1 and two in the Championship, both of the latter with smaller clubs in Posh and Rotherham. If he was going to seriously interest Championship clubs he’d have probably left WH by now.
He’s also played under MA at Lincoln and will be available, I’d be surprised if we weren’t interested.
It’s not the sort of signing we’ve made before but for all those reasons he seems a realistic target to me. We need to bring in experience but if we’re making several signings a few like Coventry who have some but are young enough to improve would make sense.
I see them as sort of a gatekeeper/benchmark team in this league and of the opinion if they don't rate him, is he good enough for us?
JCH is different as if he had a longer contract he'd still be playing for them, he's simply just ran his race there so it's a signing that makes sense.
Only time will tell but I think Peterborough fans have a decent idea on who's a good player and who's not as they've had the luxury of watching a lot of the better players in this league for a number of years0 -
You can either be really smart or spend a fortune for success, my worry from the start is this lot believe they are smarter then they are.
We will see if anything seriously changes this month.3 -
That was when they were in the Championship though, and when he was only 21 and had played 7 L1 games and a bit of a League Cup game prior to that in his whole career. I don't think Peterborough a league up are a benchmark for where we are right now, he subsequently was apparently very good for MK Dons in L1 and then stepped back up to the Championship to good effect after that with RotherhamBraziliance said:
I have seen today Posh fans saying he wasn't very good and they sent him back.Scoham said:
He’s 24 in March and has been said he’ll be leaving West Ham at the end of his contract. I’d imagine they’d rather get a fee for him perhaps with a sell on clause rather than lose him for nothing in the summer.Braziliance said:
It is more so it being a permanent transfer.PWADDICK said:
Apart from half a season in the championship he’s only played League 1 footballBraziliance said:I don't see us getting Conor Coventry. Featured for West Ham on the bench, I don't see him dropping down to league 1 on a permanent.
I think that link stinks of agent talk/ the club giving Cawley something to post as we trust him and it may take the heat off them.
Sort of like how I am interested in Dua Lipa but she has the pick of most blokes in the world & I'm just a tubby lad from London
Good player but I reckon this one is unlikely. If we did manage it however and kept Dobson, that would be a cracking midfield duo
He’s had four loan spells, two in L1 and two in the Championship, both of the latter with smaller clubs in Posh and Rotherham. If he was going to seriously interest Championship clubs he’d have probably left WH by now.
He’s also played under MA at Lincoln and will be available, I’d be surprised if we weren’t interested.
It’s not the sort of signing we’ve made before but for all those reasons he seems a realistic target to me. We need to bring in experience but if we’re making several signings a few like Coventry who have some but are young enough to improve would make sense.
I see them as sort of a gatekeeper/benchmark team in this league and of the opinion if they don't rate him, is he good enough for us?
JCH is different as if he had a longer contract he'd still be playing for them, he's simply just ran his race there so it's a signing that makes sense.
Only time will tell but I think Peterborough fans have a decent idea on who's a good player and who's not as they've had the luxury of watching a lot of the better players in this league for a number of years5 -
Plymouth are a good example but also a bit of an anomaly with the points tally they gained, especially after losing their manager.fenaddick said:
Think Plymouth are a good example of decision making being more important. Not denying that they've spent money but they're a relatively small club for the Championship and location makes them a hard sell. But they have a good philosophy and set up which has led to 2 coaches in a row being poached. Neither were big name expensive hires.Braziliance said:
You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all.fenaddick said:
It's not just money though, it's money and good decision making. The decision making is where we've been lacking for so so longBraziliance said:
Everything you just said is solved by money though and I am saying money gets you out of league 1, I understand the championship is a more complex beast (you spend even more money)Henry Irving said:Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.
Just spending money isn't enough.
Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.
Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.
Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.
Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.
You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).
You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.
You need good recruitment so you get the right personalities.
You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.
You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.
You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.
You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.
No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.
We've yet to see if GFP are any better.
Right, back to some rumours now.
A good manager, is secured by money or having knowledge of managers on the up, which you need to buy out from their club.
A balanced squad you gain by spending money, good scouts are on good money, the right sports science, again money.
Everything you said just involves us spending more than the other teams to secure the top staff at this level?
Sandgaards arrogance, was his downfall, not the size of his wallet. Had he had the right people in his ear, we wouldn't be in this league still. Unfortunately he's his own man and refused to have the humility to let people give him the advice he needed.
Roland is old news and a lot more complex, he also had us in the championship whereas I am talking about league 1 here. Roland didn't spend the required cash to be competitive in the championship but that's a whole other argument.
Any ownership that comes in and talks about 'building projects' 'plans in place' is talking sh*t to save money. This league is tripe and it's no coincidence all the bigger spenders are in the top 8 (we'd probably be with a decent, non-journeyman manager)
You buy your way out of here, you aim to survive the following season in the championship and then you build there where players are more likely to stay and if they don't they go for reasonable fees. There is no long sustainability in this league or time for 'projects' as seen by our dwindling numbers and loss of interest in Charlton.
I understand where you are coming from though and I have sort of covered that by mentioning Sandgaard.
Unfortunately based on our recent transfer history and the fact that Appleton is still in post, we evidently have neither currently until proven otherwise.
Plymouth aren't some fairytale story though, they were the 8th highest spenders in the league in terms of wages and squad value (we were 9th) and the only teams ranked above them were, in order: Peterborough, Derby, Bolton, Barnsley, Ipswich, Portsmouth, Sheffield Wednesday. All of those sides made up the top8 for that season, we were the only side in the top9 spend to not get top 9.
They utilised the loan market extremely well securing Azaz, Whittaker and Mumba who were all a huge success and pivotal in gaining promotion.
So although Plymouth are a team who beat the odds slightly, it wasn't a long term project, they heavily relied on outstanding loans and had to spend very competitive wages to gain promotion.
This season we currently sit in 10th in wages and squad value and are underperforming again. Out of the top 8 current biggest spenders in this league, all 6 of the teams in the play offs currently occupy those slots in the top8 spend.
It really is just about spending money in one way or another. It's so unlikely you'll ever see a team get promoted from this league doing it any other way. All the best coaches, scouts, players require decent cash, you can't do it on the cheap. Only a few have.
We shouldn't have to be one of those clubs like Burton who did or Shrewsbury who nearly did as we have more at our disposal every season in this poxy league.7 -
Braziliance
"You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all."
That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere7 -
In all of football, the best gauge of knowing where a team will finish is the wage total of the squad. It has a fairly good correlation with the actual league table.lancashire lad said:Braziliance
"You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all."
That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Sure, some smart decision making will get you to outperform, but the average higher wage squad will finish higher than a lower wage one. Money trumps.5 -
SELR_addicks said:
In all of football, the best gauge of knowing where a team will finish is the wage total of the squad. It has a fairly good correlation with the actual league table.lancashire lad said:Braziliance
"You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all."
That is rubbish - even with the cash if you make the wrong decisions you get nowhere, however with less cash and the right decisions you can get somewhere
Sure, some smart decision making will get you to outperform, but the average higher wage squad will finish higher than a lower wage one. Money trumps.
We are the consistent exception to this rule.5 -
That makes a lot more sense then, I thought it was a league 1 loan, my mistake.Garrymanilow said:
That was when they were in the Championship though, and when he was only 21 and had played 7 L1 games and a bit of a League Cup game prior to that in his whole career. I don't think Peterborough a league up are a benchmark for where we are right now, he subsequently was apparently very good for MK Dons in L1 and then stepped back up to the Championship to good effect after that with RotherhamBraziliance said:
I have seen today Posh fans saying he wasn't very good and they sent him back.Scoham said:
He’s 24 in March and has been said he’ll be leaving West Ham at the end of his contract. I’d imagine they’d rather get a fee for him perhaps with a sell on clause rather than lose him for nothing in the summer.Braziliance said:
It is more so it being a permanent transfer.PWADDICK said:
Apart from half a season in the championship he’s only played League 1 footballBraziliance said:I don't see us getting Conor Coventry. Featured for West Ham on the bench, I don't see him dropping down to league 1 on a permanent.
I think that link stinks of agent talk/ the club giving Cawley something to post as we trust him and it may take the heat off them.
Sort of like how I am interested in Dua Lipa but she has the pick of most blokes in the world & I'm just a tubby lad from London
Good player but I reckon this one is unlikely. If we did manage it however and kept Dobson, that would be a cracking midfield duo
He’s had four loan spells, two in L1 and two in the Championship, both of the latter with smaller clubs in Posh and Rotherham. If he was going to seriously interest Championship clubs he’d have probably left WH by now.
He’s also played under MA at Lincoln and will be available, I’d be surprised if we weren’t interested.
It’s not the sort of signing we’ve made before but for all those reasons he seems a realistic target to me. We need to bring in experience but if we’re making several signings a few like Coventry who have some but are young enough to improve would make sense.
I see them as sort of a gatekeeper/benchmark team in this league and of the opinion if they don't rate him, is he good enough for us?
JCH is different as if he had a longer contract he'd still be playing for them, he's simply just ran his race there so it's a signing that makes sense.
Only time will tell but I think Peterborough fans have a decent idea on who's a good player and who's not as they've had the luxury of watching a lot of the better players in this league for a number of years
Peterborough are a benchmark side for me in this league I meant, they always tend to play good football, tend to be higher up the table rather than lower and I am of the view, if you are better than them, you're probably at least a play-offs worthy side.0 -
If you are looking for smart in English football, it's just above rocking horse shit in that order!
We had our smart, 20+ years ago, it's been a literny of fuckwits and brain dead "look at me me me's" ever since.1
