January 2024 Transfer Rumours (D/day starts pg.263)

Braziliance said:

fenaddick said:

Braziliance said:

Henry Irving said:

Any proposed solution to any complex problem which begins "it's simple..." is automatically wrong.

Just spending money isn't enough.

Duchatelet spent so much he lost £13m in a season and we got relegated.

Sandgaard spent a lot of money but a lot of it was wasted on the  likes of Schwarzt and Kirk.

Spending in itself isn't enough, this is the real world not football manager.

Of course, having a bigger budget is a huge advantage but you need to spend it well.

You need a good manager to coach the players you've brought in (radical idea but you could even let the manager pick those players).

You need a balanced squad, you need experience, leadership and flexibility.

You need good  recruitment so you get the right personalities.

You need good scouting to see what opposition are doing.

You need the right sports science people and facilities to get and keep the players fit.

You need good facilities and infrastructure to back up all of that.

You need time and management to build a collection of individuals into a team that is greater than the sum of its parts.

No, it's not "simple". That's what Sandgaard and Duchatelet thought.

We've yet to see if GFP are any better.

Right, back to some rumours now.

Everything you just said is solved by money though and I am saying money gets you out of league 1, I understand the championship is a more complex beast (you spend even more money) 

A good manager, is secured by money or having knowledge of managers on the up, which you need to buy out from their club. 

A balanced squad you gain by spending money, good scouts are on good money, the right sports science, again money.

Everything you said just involves us spending more than the other teams to secure the top staff at this level? 

Sandgaards arrogance, was his downfall, not the size of his wallet. Had he had the right people in his ear, we wouldn't be in this league still. Unfortunately he's his own man and refused to have the humility to let people give him the advice he needed. 

Roland is old news and a lot more complex, he also had us in the championship whereas I am talking about league 1 here. Roland didn't spend the required cash to be competitive in the championship but that's a whole other argument.

Any ownership that comes in and talks about 'building projects' 'plans in place' is talking sh*t to save money. This league is tripe and it's no coincidence all the bigger spenders are in the top 8 (we'd probably be with a decent, non-journeyman manager)

You buy your way out of here, you aim to survive the following season in the championship and then you build there where players are more likely to stay and if they don't they go for reasonable fees. There is no long sustainability in this league or time for 'projects' as seen by our dwindling numbers and loss of interest in Charlton.

It's not just money though, it's money and good decision making. The decision making is where we've been lacking for so so long

You can have all the decision making in the world but cash trumps all. 

I understand where you are coming from though and I have sort of covered that by mentioning Sandgaard. 

Unfortunately based on our recent transfer history and the fact that Appleton is still in post, we evidently have neither currently until proven otherwise.

It’s gotta be a combination. You can have an enormous budget and blow it on the wrong players and the wrong manager. I’m not sure if we have a big budget or a management team that makes the right decisions.  The next four weeks are crucial. 😬

How I miss the days long forgotten when Chris Powell was recruiting his squad without the huge budget. Exciting times for us guys. nowadays its the 'maybe' of a squad player or two (if they are fit/can pass a medical) and possibly a few loans at the end of the 'window'  Was hoping things would be dramatically improved with new owners...again although I understand they probably took over a real 'shitshow' , especially with regards to finance staff morale. Don't suppose I was the only one with hopes for a positive season

Braziliance said:

CharltontillidieCOYR said:

Is he off …👀

Now that is a rumour, surely he's going 

He renovates property up there I think

fenlandaddick said:

A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.

Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.

That's exactly what I've been saying on the subject. 

But few on here appear to agree. 

Fanny Fanackapan said:

fenlandaddick said:

A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.

Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.

That's exactly what I've been saying on the subject. 

But few on here appear to agree. 

Elthamaddick said:

we need 2 first choice full backs, neither Watson or Edun are good enough - both are poor defensively (especially Edun) and neither are good going forward 

I said this to Scott who didn't appear to agree (although tbf he can't say in public my 2 wing back signings are poor defensively.

Covered End said:

Elthamaddick said:

we need 2 first choice full backs, neither Watson or Edun are good enough - both are poor defensively (especially Edun) and neither are good going forward 

I said this to Scott who didn't appear to agree (although tbf he can't say in public my 2 wing back signings are poor defensively.

Disagree on Tennai - think he’s been fairly strong attacking wise since the day he made his first appearance and he’s been trending upwards on his defensive contributions too.

Edun has me worried lately though.

thenewbie said:

fenlandaddick said:

A manager with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level would be a reason for better players to be attracted to the club. Bowyer and Powell both played at the highest level of football.

Really not sure we are anywhere near that point right now.

But what reason would a manager with a good name/record have for coming here? Working under some questionable ownership, with heavy restrictions on transfers (allegedly), a lot of work that needs to be done but at a club that churns through a couple of managers every season.

A proper, reputable manager will look at that, tear up any job offer and keep on waiting for something better - it wouldn't be hard to find.

Well, we'd need to accept that such a candidate would require a contract as watertight in his favour as a contract can be - something that one "with a good name/record and with experience at a higher level" would have negotiated before. 

And, it goes without saying that such a candidate would expect to be paid more than one of the " musical chairs" bevy of ex managers ie the pool we inevitably  appoint from as with the latest incumbent at our club. 

Of course, there's never a guarantee that this method would ensure success as has been pointed out in the case of both Lampard & Rooney. 

But surely stability & continuity in the managerial role is as important ( if not more so) than having a squad of senior players under decent contracts plus numerous loanees that may or may not turn out to be positive additions.

But as @fenlandaddick pointed out, this change of tactics in the search for a new manager would surely assist in the recruitment of players of perhaps a higher quality which has to be a plus. 

We have our successful Academy and the reputation of bringing young players into the first team squad. "We built it", youngsters were attracted by its success and it has become an institution admired by our peers and beyond.

We have The Valley- an historic stadium envied by many, with decent transport links, and in London. What's not to like ? 

We have former players & managers whose names will always be followed by " Oh yes, he was at Charlton ! " with Curbs, SCP & Mendonca being prime examples. 

IF we had a manager with the attributes as indicated above on his CV, sought after by other clubs & with a record of running a tight but loyal ship ( NOT the Titanic) , who is known for getting the best out of his players and is well respected in the game, then that appointment could be the missing piece of the jigsaw and the foundation for our long awaited climb onwards & upwards. 

Speculate to accumulate by appointing a manager who could well be worth his weight in gold. 

Is that really too "left field" for our SMT/Board/owners to contemplate ? 

Callumcafc said:

Covered End said:

Elthamaddick said:

we need 2 first choice full backs, neither Watson or Edun are good enough - both are poor defensively (especially Edun) and neither are good going forward 

I said this to Scott who didn't appear to agree (although tbf he can't say in public my 2 wing back signings are poor defensively.

Disagree on Tennai - think he’s been fairly strong attacking wise since the day he made his first appearance and he’s been trending upwards on his defensive contributions too.

Edun has me worried lately though.

I agree T Watson has been improving. 

MartinCAFC said:

Callumcafc said:

MartinCAFC said:

Mitchcafc07 said:

It’s all gone a bit quiet on Gillesphey, I hope that happens as he ticks all boxes of what we need at the moment 

Apologies if already been said.

Plymouth supporting friend of mine reckons he failed his medical.

Rich Cawley was asked on Twitter if it was “still on” and his response was “it’s not off”.

Another Plymouth ITK who posted “Gillesphey to London” the day before he was spotted at the Valley has also said “the deal is still ON”.

My friend didn't say the deal was off, just that the medical had apparently failed. Might just explain why a deal's not been announced yet, and why Cawley's said "it's not off" and not something more substantial towards it being on.

He had the medical on Saturday morning, I wouldn't be surprised if announced today (I have not information on this, just guessing). We have also had another bid accepted for one of the midfielders I mentioned. We are offering a very good salary, but if he want's to come to league one is a different matter. 

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2024/01/03/exclusive-ex-chelsea-fa-youth-cup-winner-generating-interest-from-middlesbrough-and-multiple-efl-sides-ahead-of-january-move/

The midfielder sounds like Greg Docherty or Conor Coventry, both would be very impressive signings for L1, but can’t see either really wanting a permanent move to L1.