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January 2024 Transfer Rumours (D/day starts pg.263)
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Eric Choupu-Moting went from Stoke, to PSG, to Bayern Munich, earning a fortune in the process, all whilst being distinctly average. Id say he has a good agentPragueAddick said:Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?1 -
Right now an ability to play in the championship is irrelevant as Dobson can’t receive a concrete offer from a Champ club.PragueAddick said:
That’s a big “if” because it is obviously a ludicrous idea, that Dobbo would actually go there; and a “good” agent would not need to resort to such tactics on behalf of such a good player whom Curbs among others thinks is well capable of playing in the Championship.Stu_of_Kunming said:
If the story pushes a better offer from elsewhere that results in a better deal somewhere he wants to play, wouldn’t that be a good thing, for Dobson?PragueAddick said:Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?
He could however get an offer from a Hungarian club to put infront of Charlton ‘match this, or I’m off’ that’s the exact kind of thing I’d want my agent to be doing, surely it’s something most people would do when negotiating a new contract, I know I did exactly that a few months ago (with zero intention of moving city, but my employer didn’t know that)0 -
Goodwin is a younger player with obvious long term potential but I think if we wanna get out this league next season then I wouldn’t be too upset with Ladapo signing instead. It would then require more investment next season considering his and Mays age, but that’s a given going up a level anyway.3
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But would anyone really believe that Dobson would move to Hungary?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Right now an ability to play in the championship is irrelevant as Dobson can’t receive a concrete offer from a Champ club.PragueAddick said:
That’s a big “if” because it is obviously a ludicrous idea, that Dobbo would actually go there; and a “good” agent would not need to resort to such tactics on behalf of such a good player whom Curbs among others thinks is well capable of playing in the Championship.Stu_of_Kunming said:
If the story pushes a better offer from elsewhere that results in a better deal somewhere he wants to play, wouldn’t that be a good thing, for Dobson?PragueAddick said:Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?
He could however get an offer from a Hungarian club to put infront of Charlton ‘match this, or I’m off’ that’s the exact kind of thing I’d want my agent to be doing, surely it’s something most people would do when negotiating a new contract, I know I did exactly that a few months ago (with zero intention of moving city, but my employer didn’t know that)1 -
I can see the problem with this stance though.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Right now an ability to play in the championship is irrelevant as Dobson can’t receive a concrete offer from a Champ club.PragueAddick said:
That’s a big “if” because it is obviously a ludicrous idea, that Dobbo would actually go there; and a “good” agent would not need to resort to such tactics on behalf of such a good player whom Curbs among others thinks is well capable of playing in the Championship.Stu_of_Kunming said:
If the story pushes a better offer from elsewhere that results in a better deal somewhere he wants to play, wouldn’t that be a good thing, for Dobson?PragueAddick said:Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?
He could however get an offer from a Hungarian club to put infront of Charlton ‘match this, or I’m off’ that’s the exact kind of thing I’d want my agent to be doing, surely it’s something most people would do when negotiating a new contract, I know I did exactly that a few months ago (with zero intention of moving city, but my employer didn’t know that)1 -
Would it be the weirdest move of all time? I doubt it.killerandflash said:
But would anyone really believe that Dobson would move to Hungary?Stu_of_Kunming said:
Right now an ability to play in the championship is irrelevant as Dobson can’t receive a concrete offer from a Champ club.PragueAddick said:
That’s a big “if” because it is obviously a ludicrous idea, that Dobbo would actually go there; and a “good” agent would not need to resort to such tactics on behalf of such a good player whom Curbs among others thinks is well capable of playing in the Championship.Stu_of_Kunming said:
If the story pushes a better offer from elsewhere that results in a better deal somewhere he wants to play, wouldn’t that be a good thing, for Dobson?PragueAddick said:Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?
He could however get an offer from a Hungarian club to put infront of Charlton ‘match this, or I’m off’ that’s the exact kind of thing I’d want my agent to be doing, surely it’s something most people would do when negotiating a new contract, I know I did exactly that a few months ago (with zero intention of moving city, but my employer didn’t know that)0 -
He does have hunched shoulders……the bells the bells of Budapest!ShootersHillGuru said:
I can see the problem with this stance though.Stu_of_Kunming said:
Right now an ability to play in the championship is irrelevant as Dobson can’t receive a concrete offer from a Champ club.PragueAddick said:
That’s a big “if” because it is obviously a ludicrous idea, that Dobbo would actually go there; and a “good” agent would not need to resort to such tactics on behalf of such a good player whom Curbs among others thinks is well capable of playing in the Championship.Stu_of_Kunming said:
If the story pushes a better offer from elsewhere that results in a better deal somewhere he wants to play, wouldn’t that be a good thing, for Dobson?PragueAddick said:Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?
He could however get an offer from a Hungarian club to put infront of Charlton ‘match this, or I’m off’ that’s the exact kind of thing I’d want my agent to be doing, surely it’s something most people would do when negotiating a new contract, I know I did exactly that a few months ago (with zero intention of moving city, but my employer didn’t know that)5 -
I see Snodgrass has decided to retire over joining us22 -
I wonder if we could get him
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Boooo. Love Josh.PragueAddick said:
Yes and that’s before we get to the football. The league is utter shite. He would be playing in front of three figure crowds away. More importantly match fixing is rife. That issue used to be problematic in Czech too, but its been cleaned up in recent years. But Viktor Orban is a football nut and results will go according to how he and Fidesz want them to. If its Ferencvaros he will get some European football. It will be the Conference and he will be playing in some shithole in Kazakhstan in July, or on the losing side in the Faeroes. The only British players who end up in leagues like this are cast-offs like Josh Parker.ShootersHillGuru said:
Large parts of the city outskirts are like a Soviet era slum.PragueAddick said:
I couldn’t open the article so I feared it was a Bundesliga 2 club, which would definitely be a step up for him, playing in front of 60k crowds in vibrant stadia.Hungary. LMAO. Anyone know who his agent is?0 -
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But Alfie May played in his number 10 role … with onlyblackpool72 said:
9 goals and 5 assists under HoldenOh Eddie Youds... said:
He played there for us last season & scored 9 goals.Chrispy51 said:
Playing in a 10 behind the front 2 is exactly where Fraser wants to play, where he had his best stint of his career (MK Dons) and hasn’t played since joining us.NabySarr said:
Think you are right there, but I would suspect we will move away from the 3-4-2-1 and to more of a 3-1-4-2 that we saw second half.Callumcafc said:
Assuming CBT and Dubbo are on their way and we get the mooted CB and CF, I am imagining something like this:wmcf123 said:
Agreed - it looks rubbish . May and CBT are our only attacking threats so I’m nervous about losing half of thatBexleyheath_Addick said:
Be worried if this was our team next season, absolutely no creativity in that midfield 3 and 2 wing backs who so far haven't looked very creative either.Valley11 said:So the team playing out this season could look like:
Isted
Jones Ness MG
Watson Dobson Coventry Bakinson Tayo
May Goodwin
Be good to get another striker in who could cover for May, then let Kanu go back to Southend.-----------Isted----NEW Jones GillespheyTennai Coventry Bakinson Tayo---------May Fiorini-----------NEW
Alternative GK: AMB,Alternative CBs: Ness, Thomas, Hector when back from injuryAlternative WB: Asiimwe, TyreeceAlternative DM: Taylor, McGrandlesAlternative AM: Camara, Louie WatsonAlternative CF: Leaburn, ChuksAppleton commented on Bakinson being better second half when he was further forward so I think we will have 1 holding mid and two 8s from now on hopefully, and then 2 strikers
Those 2 incomings (plus an extra striker hopefully) will put us in a decent place ahead of the summer. Where I hope we would then focus on upgrading the wing backs and adding goals from midfield (Fiorini could be the answer if he does well but probably need another attacking mid option anyway with no L.Watson and hopefully no Fraser)I wouldn’t be worried if he left, but his ideal position could now become a reality at Charlton…
Definitely better as an attacking midfielder than in the deep role he has played this season (that has delivered 0 goals).
Fuck all under Appleshit.
A decent manager knows how to get the best out of his players
3 in mid you could not have Fraser and May together0 -
Honestly if the plan really is to make a genuine promotion bid next season it should be "as well" not instead. Obviously then the difficulty is to convince Goodwin to give up being the main man which won't be easy but possibly doable if the other puzzle pieces are put into place.ValleyGary said:Goodwin is a younger player with obvious long term potential but I think if we wanna get out this league next season then I wouldn’t be too upset with Ladapo signing instead. It would then require more investment next season considering his and Mays age, but that’s a given going up a level anyway.1 -
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I don’t think playing Fraser as one of two holding midfielders as helped, but it’s also not entirely down to the manager. It’s no coincidence both managers got better results when we had more players fit, including having decent options up front.blackpool72 said:
9 goals and 5 assists under HoldenOh Eddie Youds... said:
He played there for us last season & scored 9 goals.Chrispy51 said:
Playing in a 10 behind the front 2 is exactly where Fraser wants to play, where he had his best stint of his career (MK Dons) and hasn’t played since joining us.NabySarr said:
Think you are right there, but I would suspect we will move away from the 3-4-2-1 and to more of a 3-1-4-2 that we saw second half.Callumcafc said:
Assuming CBT and Dubbo are on their way and we get the mooted CB and CF, I am imagining something like this:wmcf123 said:
Agreed - it looks rubbish . May and CBT are our only attacking threats so I’m nervous about losing half of thatBexleyheath_Addick said:
Be worried if this was our team next season, absolutely no creativity in that midfield 3 and 2 wing backs who so far haven't looked very creative either.Valley11 said:So the team playing out this season could look like:
Isted
Jones Ness MG
Watson Dobson Coventry Bakinson Tayo
May Goodwin
Be good to get another striker in who could cover for May, then let Kanu go back to Southend.-----------Isted----NEW Jones GillespheyTennai Coventry Bakinson Tayo---------May Fiorini-----------NEW
Alternative GK: AMB,Alternative CBs: Ness, Thomas, Hector when back from injuryAlternative WB: Asiimwe, TyreeceAlternative DM: Taylor, McGrandlesAlternative AM: Camara, Louie WatsonAlternative CF: Leaburn, ChuksAppleton commented on Bakinson being better second half when he was further forward so I think we will have 1 holding mid and two 8s from now on hopefully, and then 2 strikers
Those 2 incomings (plus an extra striker hopefully) will put us in a decent place ahead of the summer. Where I hope we would then focus on upgrading the wing backs and adding goals from midfield (Fiorini could be the answer if he does well but probably need another attacking mid option anyway with no L.Watson and hopefully no Fraser)I wouldn’t be worried if he left, but his ideal position could now become a reality at Charlton…
Definitely better as an attacking midfielder than in the deep role he has played this season (that has delivered 0 goals).
Fuck all under Appleshit.
A decent manager knows how to get the best out of his players
Fraser’s an experienced player at this level and it’s up to him to perform even if he’s not in his ideal role. Even if he’s not able to get in goalscoring positions or play the final pass for assists he should add creativity through his ability on the ball and passing but we haven’t really seen that from him this season.
To me he looks like his fitness has dropped slightly and with him not being the fittest, most mobile or energetic to begin with that’s a problem.10 -
I've been mentioning him for the past 12 months. Should have gone in for him in the summer before he signed a new contract......or perhaps his agent was waving deals in Hungary before his eyes 🙄.Mendonca In Asdas said:I wonder if we could get him
with a cheeky bid?2 -
I heard it was Moldova.golfaddick said:
I've been mentioning him for the past 12 months. Should have gone in for him in the summer before he signed a new contract......or perhaps his agent was waving deals in Hungary before his eyes 🙄.Mendonca In Asdas said:I wonder if we could get him
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None of our players are big enough / good enough to negotiate from a huge position of strength.Our squad collectively is weak and all are replaceable. In fact need to be replaced in most part as the current mix doesn’t work.If any leave and are replaced that is just football.6
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Worked quite well in the second half v. The Posh with the new players Nick. Green shoots possibly but, as with most squads at this level, of course very few are irreplaceable, FFP rules notwithstanding.valleynick66 said:None of our players are big enough / good enough to negotiate from a huge position of strength.Our squad collectively is weak and all are replaceable. In fact need to be replaced in most part as the current mix doesn’t work.If any leave and are replaced that is just football.In terms of attendances, it’s good to keep popular players of course, but it’s also important to win matches, something we’ve lost the habit of doing: Only seven wins all season (26 matches) and just one in the last eleven - or two in the last twelve, for those whose glass is half full. Oddly, we’ve drawn half of our last sixteen matches in all competitions.I don’t think Dobson will leave, I think he’s quite rightly trying to narrow the salary gap between himself and the higher earners. Him staying at the club would be good for morale, even if he isn’t irreplaceable.5 -
Macaulay Langstaff played against us for Gateshead in the FA Cup in 2021. That was the time to get him. Now he's probably going to go to the championship for £3m+ in the summer.5
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Except had they brought him in at the time people would’ve have complained and rightly so. The club could not afford to bring in a player from the national league north in the hopes he could step up 4 leagues in the hopes that he would be good eventually.MarcusH26 said:Macaulay Langstaff played against us for Gateshead in the FA Cup insomeday2021. That was the time to get him. Now he's probably going to go to the championship for £3m+ in the summer.13 -
Which is a perfect example of what’s wrong with football these days. A PL club can punt away with all and sundry and hold a stock of young players never going to be good enough for the PL but no bother they’ll just loan them out. The money is so skewed it’s obscene.AberystwythAddick said:
Except had they brought him in at the time people would’ve have complained and rightly so. The club could not afford to bring in a player from the national league north in the hopes he could step up 4 leagues in the hopes that he would be good eventually.MarcusH26 said:Macaulay Langstaff played against us for Gateshead in the FA Cup insomeday2021. That was the time to get him. Now he's probably going to go to the championship for £3m+ in the summer.7 -
Maybe if EFL clubs said they don't want loans, highly unlikely I know, then maybe the Premier League clubs will stop stockpiling them.1
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Thank you for a good answer. I understand that there are ancilliary but important tasks which a good agent will do well for his client, the player.Athletico Charlton said:PragueAddick said:Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?
I mean ok, I'll bite as I had a friend who was an agent to the likes of Dorian Devite, Eboue and others some years ago. He was a very decent chap and a very successful Partner in a law firm (nothing to do with football originally).
He loved his football and would have given his clients all the right advice. Doesn't mean he wouldn't move them from a club or ask for big wages for his clients as ultimately he worked for them, not the club.
I very much doubt he would have ever come up with a bullshit storey of a Hungarian club in a situation like this.
So, yes, there are decent agents who work for their customers (the players); just like every walk of life you get all sorts. I won't name my friend, it's not relevant and sadly he is not with us any more.
You ask what good things he might have done; well as a lawyer he would negotiate their contracts, read the small print, ensure the players rights were protected; ensure they got the best deal possible. He would arrange nutritionists to advice the players; he even helped one or two of them but cars and things. Always amazed me how little some of his players knew about real life and he protected them to an extent. I think clubs have generally improved in that regard in more recent years but it wasn't always like that.
I did also meet another agent, total other end of the spectrum; complete arsehole, likely on the take from his players and utterly untrustworthy. The fella had bought a Scottish title for a few quid on eBay and actually insisted on using "Lord" on business cards and the like!
I thought you were in recruitment, it's pretty similar in that you will get plenty of recruiters purely in it for themselves; of the very many headhunters I have come across; not a single one has ever said to me, "are you sure this is the right career move for you", or told me to see if I can get my existing employer to pay me the same so I don't need to move job.
I don't want to de-rail this thread too much but on your last sentence, there is a key difference between mainstream recruiters ("headhunting" is strictly speaking a specialist sub-sector) and football agents. Recruiters' clients are always and only the *employer*. Football agents start off being paid by the player but often as they gain influence also get paid by the employer (clubs) and anybody else in between the two. This encourages the ultra-greedy and manipulative types and makes regulation of them almost impossible.1 -
I'll freely admit I've never heard of him, but don't you see the difference? Those two clubs are a huge step up from bloody Stoke, and any footballer in Europe aspires to play for clubs like them. Like I said earlier, if his agent came in waving *evidence* of interest from even a mid-ranking Bundesliga 2 club like, say, Hansa Rostock, who are sort of on the up and play in front of 20k crowds at home, and 60k when they go to HSV, that would be a real negotiating point, and I'd be worried. But go and take a look at the absolute state of Hungarian football. Orban's personal village team, 3.8k capacity stadium built with state money, currently sits 4th in the table. When Orban started chucking taxpayers' money at it, it was in the 4th league regional level. No footballer whose career is on the up will benefit from going there, and whatever his weaknesses, I'm sure that Charlie Methven knows enough about Hungarian football and the place overall to see through this pathetic bullshit. But he and the others on the club side still have to deal with it because the agent chooses to play that card. I pity them, having to deal with such nonsense.CAFCsayer said:
Eric Choupu-Moting went from Stoke, to PSG, to Bayern Munich, earning a fortune in the process, all whilst being distinctly average. Id say he has a good agentPragueAddick said:Actually the absolute idiotic insanity of ‘the Dobbo to Hungary” story, obviously put out by his agent, makes me think that maybe, just maybe, it isn’t entirely the club’s fault if they are having trouble agreeing a new deal with him.Doubtless someone will be along to parrot the line that there are good as well as bad agents. So let me pre-empt that by asking the poster to name such a (good) agent, and what makes him/her good; and would that “good” agent think it would be good for Dobbo’s career and personal life to go off and play in Hungary?4 -
What level of proof, or kind of example, would constitute enough to prove the existence of a 'good agent'?1
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How Derby spending all of this money on transfers? Last I knew they were fucked?
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Some agents seem to want the best deal for themselves, as well as for the player.
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