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Who will be the new Charlton coach? - p103. Nathan Jones confirmed

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  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,237
    AberystwythAddick said:
    Listening to NTT20 podcast last week when talking about us they said that there isn’t a team in the country more primed for a new manager bounce than us. They seem to believe that with the right manager this team can be a good side. 
    They also sang the praises of Appleton when he was appointed.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,336
    Chunes said:
    The Red Robin said:
    Chunes said:
    AberystwythAddick said:
    Listening to NTT20 podcast last week when talking about us they said that there isn’t a team in the country more primed for a new manager bounce than us. They seem to believe that with the right manager this team can be a good side. 
    They also said MA would be great for us - and when the summer window closed said we had one of the best squads in the league!
    We all thought so on the squad as well. Hopefully they have massively underperformed.
    I think the general view when the summer window closed was that the squad was not good enough. 

    Elek talked about it on the podcast, said how he'd spent his whole Sunday on Twitter arguing with Charlton fans about their squad. Apparently he knew better!
    Elek didn't take injuries into account. Charlton fans have grown to know better
  • peterreeves
    peterreeves Posts: 1,063
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,629
    Be interesting to see or discover what type of control Jones has. Don’t see him ceding anything in player recruitment, tactics and formation. Do we think that the hands on involvement of Brener and Friedman has authorised more direct control to Jones and away from Scott ? I think if that is the case it’s hard to see a role for Scott in his present capacity. One thing we do know about Jones is that he’s very much his own man. 
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,509
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    The decline started 18 years  ago under Richard Murray … the owners know this is going to take time to get right not just on the pitch but off it as well there not been a stable structure at the club for many many years …. we won’t go down .. but I dint think it would make much diff if we did to be honest cause we would still be rebuilding the squad and club and you can easy go through league one if we get that right ..
     but that’s not an issue we will stay in league one our performance at Blackpool second  half and yesterday are not of a side going down .. we need one of two back and we need to find that system that’s sorts the players we have .  Jones likes diamond and 433 so will be interesting what he goes with next Saturday 
  • AberystwythAddick
    AberystwythAddick Posts: 913
    Just to be clear I’m not taking their word for gospel. They do however run a very successful podcast which covers all the EFL. I think it’s interesting to see some relatively informed outsider perspectives on our situation. 
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,040
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    On the contrary i actually think our run in at the end of the season is what will save us.

    After 3 of the toughest games possible at the end of February our last 10-11 games are not bad ‘on paper’. We only play Barnsley and Stevenage out of the top sides and they’re both at home. The run in could be a lot worse.
  • 9goalswentpastperry
    9goalswentpastperry Posts: 1,109
    Henry Irving said:
    AberystwythAddick said:
    Listening to NTT20 podcast last week when talking about us they said that there isn’t a team in the country more primed for a new manager bounce than us. They seem to believe that with the right manager this team can be a good side. 
    They also sang the praises of Appleton when he was appointed.
    Elek was always going to sing Appleton's praises as Elek is an Oxford fan. We would sing Chris Powell's praises but other fans would shake their heads at having him at their club.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,294
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    On the contrary i actually think our run in at the end of the season is what will save us.

    After 3 of the toughest games possible at the end of February our last 10-11 games are not bad ‘on paper’. We only play Barnsley and Stevenage out of the top sides and they’re both at home. The run in could be a lot worse.
    My concern is that if we are in the bottom 4 after the tough run, does this squad have the character to dig in and get ourselves back out of it with the easier games. I’m not sure 
  • Airman Brown
    Airman Brown Posts: 15,745
    RonnieMoore said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    The decline started 18 years  ago under Richard Murray … the owners know this is going to take time to get right not just on the pitch but off it as well there not been a stable structure at the club for many many years …. we won’t go down .. but I dint think it would make much diff if we did to be honest cause we would still be rebuilding the squad and club and you can easy go through league one if we get that right ..
     but that’s not an issue we will stay in league one our performance at Blackpool second  half and yesterday are not of a side going down .. we need one of two back and we need to find that system that’s sorts the players we have .  Jones likes diamond and 433 so will be interesting what he goes with next Saturday 
    I blame WW2 myself… or Thatcher… or Blair. If only each season started with a clean sheet in terms of points.

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  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Isn’t the season supposed to be saved by the appearance of Aneke for 30 minutes spread over three games?
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,237
    edited February 2024
    Airman Brown said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    The decline started 18 years  ago under Richard Murray … the owners know this is going to take time to get right not just on the pitch but off it as well there not been a stable structure at the club for many many years …. we won’t go down .. but I dint think it would make much diff if we did to be honest cause we would still be rebuilding the squad and club and you can easy go through league one if we get that right ..
     but that’s not an issue we will stay in league one our performance at Blackpool second  half and yesterday are not of a side going down .. we need one of two back and we need to find that system that’s sorts the players we have .  Jones likes diamond and 433 so will be interesting what he goes with next Saturday 
    I blame WW2 myself… or Thatcher… or Blair. If only each season started with a clean sheet in terms of points.
    Turning professional was the end for me.

    "Stayed at Pound Park, we should have stayed at Pound Park"
  • Fanny Fanackapan
    Fanny Fanackapan Posts: 18,740
    seth plum said:
    Isn’t the season supposed to be saved by the appearance of Aneke for 30 minutes spread over three games?
    THAT  could be the miracle that Scott is praying for....
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    Airman Brown said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    The decline started 18 years  ago under Richard Murray … the owners know this is going to take time to get right not just on the pitch but off it as well there not been a stable structure at the club for many many years …. we won’t go down .. but I dint think it would make much diff if we did to be honest cause we would still be rebuilding the squad and club and you can easy go through league one if we get that right ..
     but that’s not an issue we will stay in league one our performance at Blackpool second  half and yesterday are not of a side going down .. we need one of two back and we need to find that system that’s sorts the players we have .  Jones likes diamond and 433 so will be interesting what he goes with next Saturday 
    I blame WW2 myself… or Thatcher… or Blair. If only each season started with a clean sheet in terms of points.
    To be fair, we were flying until the war intervened, and never quite maintained momentum after it, despite winning the FA Cup.

    It's good opportunity for Jones to build something at a club which has been starved of any sort of success since 2019. The long decline needs arresting urgently. And it won't be easy.
    Anyone know the odds on our relegation? Paddy Power aren't offering a price.
  • charlton_hero
    charlton_hero Posts: 4,668
    edited February 2024
    AberystwythAddick said:
    Listening to NTT20 podcast last week when talking about us they said that there isn’t a team in the country more primed for a new manager bounce than us. They seem to believe that with the right manager this team can be a good side. 
    I think the general outside perspective is that we're massively underachieving with the players we have available to us.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,040
    NabySarr said:
    Chris_from_Sidcup said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    On the contrary i actually think our run in at the end of the season is what will save us.

    After 3 of the toughest games possible at the end of February our last 10-11 games are not bad ‘on paper’. We only play Barnsley and Stevenage out of the top sides and they’re both at home. The run in could be a lot worse.
    My concern is that if we are in the bottom 4 after the tough run, does this squad have the character to dig in and get ourselves back out of it with the easier games. I’m not sure 
    It's a fair point, once you're sucked in it can be hard to get out, and i'm already kind of expecting that we will be in the bottom 4 at the end of this month.

    But that said you'd still rather have the run in we have, than Reading for example who in the same end of season run of games go away to Derby, Bolton and Barnsley. 
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,092
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    I imagine there is a clause should we go done he leaves.
  • Gribbo
    Gribbo Posts: 8,490
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    I imagine there is a clause should we go done he leaves.
    Really?
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,092
    Gribbo said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    I imagine there is a clause should we go done he leaves.
    Really?
    I cannot imagine Jones would want to try and get a team out of the 4th division.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,885
    Airman Brown said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    The decline started 18 years  ago under Richard Murray … the owners know this is going to take time to get right not just on the pitch but off it as well there not been a stable structure at the club for many many years …. we won’t go down .. but I dint think it would make much diff if we did to be honest cause we would still be rebuilding the squad and club and you can easy go through league one if we get that right ..
     but that’s not an issue we will stay in league one our performance at Blackpool second  half and yesterday are not of a side going down .. we need one of two back and we need to find that system that’s sorts the players we have .  Jones likes diamond and 433 so will be interesting what he goes with next Saturday 
    I blame WW2 myself… or Thatcher… or Blair. If only each season started with a clean sheet in terms of points.
    You aren't wrong about WW2. It cost us the league title according to my dad

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  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Gribbo said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    I imagine there is a clause should we go done he leaves.
    Really?
    I cannot imagine Jones would want to try and get a team out of the 4th division.
    I hope he doesn't have to, but he has taken a team out if Div 4 already...Luton Town.
  • redbuttle
    redbuttle Posts: 1,984
    edited February 2024
    seth plum said:
    Isn’t the season supposed to be saved by the appearance of Aneke for 30 minutes spread over three games?
    If he scores in that time yes.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,092
    Redmidland said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    Gribbo said:
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    I imagine there is a clause should we go done he leaves.
    Really?
    I cannot imagine Jones would want to try and get a team out of the 4th division.
    I hope he doesn't have to, but he has taken a team out if Div 4 already...Luton Town.
    Fair comment.
  • msomerton
    msomerton Posts: 2,979
    After watching that dross yesterday are we certain that Jones is really interested in coaching\managing us. 
    It seems odd to me that any one would want to.
  • The Red Robin
    The Red Robin Posts: 26,129
    edited February 2024
    msomerton said:
    After watching that dross yesterday are we certain that Jones is really interested in coaching\managing us. 
    It seems odd to me that any one would want to.
    You can be forgotten quickly in football and he already lost out on the Millwall job by all accounts. He may think his connection with us will serve him well. What’s the worst case for him? We get relegated and he can say the damage was already done. He wouldn’t be wrong. 
  • JamesSeed
    JamesSeed Posts: 17,380
    edited February 2024
    Todds_right_hook said:
    Airman Brown said:
    RonnieMoore said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    The decline started 18 years  ago under Richard Murray … the owners know this is going to take time to get right not just on the pitch but off it as well there not been a stable structure at the club for many many years …. we won’t go down .. but I dint think it would make much diff if we did to be honest cause we would still be rebuilding the squad and club and you can easy go through league one if we get that right ..
     but that’s not an issue we will stay in league one our performance at Blackpool second  half and yesterday are not of a side going down .. we need one of two back and we need to find that system that’s sorts the players we have .  Jones likes diamond and 433 so will be interesting what he goes with next Saturday 
    I blame WW2 myself… or Thatcher… or Blair. If only each season started with a clean sheet in terms of points.
    You aren't wrong about WW2. It cost us the league title according to my dad
    34/35 Div3S 1st
    35/36 Div 2 2nd
    36/37 Div 1 2nd Top team in London
    37/38 Div 1 4th  Arsenal champs, 2nd team in London
    38/39 Div 1 3rd  Top team in London

    War
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,962
    ShootersHillGuru said:
    Be interesting to see or discover what type of control Jones has. Don’t see him ceding anything in player recruitment, tactics and formation. Do we think that the hands on involvement of Brener and Friedman has authorised more direct control to Jones and away from Scott ? I think if that is the case it’s hard to see a role for Scott in his present capacity. One thing we do know about Jones is that he’s very much his own man. 
    Given the two signings last week seem to have been his choices, I make you right.
  • Redmidland
    Redmidland Posts: 44,700
    edited February 2024
    msomerton said:
    After watching that dross yesterday are we certain that Jones is really interested in coaching\managing us. 
    It seems odd to me that any one would want to.
    This is the chance for him to rebuild after Stoke and Southampton. He knows the club, I presume he's been told what the 'owners' plans/project is and he has the chance to prove a point.  If he can do for us what he did for Luton then its win/win. So yes I do think he's more than interested to be that person that digs us out of a huge hole!
  • ShootersHillGuru
    ShootersHillGuru Posts: 50,629
    ElfsborgAddick said:
    peterreeves said:
    March looks rough with the away games but if Nathan can't get us to beat 3 of the bottom 4 clubs then we deserve to get relegated. 

    My concern is more will he stay with us if he can't perform a miracle and we get relegated? Plus and more importantly will the main money men in the States decide to bail out as well? 

    Because we're  Charlton this could be a distinct possibility. 

    I really hope it doesn't get to that situation but this season as many lifers have said has been coming for over 10 years at least.


    I imagine there is a clause should we go done he leaves.
    If there is then our owners and SMT are even more stupid than any of us could have imagined. If Jones was looking for that then we should have told him to jog on. 
  • Henry Irving
    Henry Irving Posts: 85,237
    Nathan Jones "Knows the Club"

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0l3Fum29xA

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