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  • edited February 2024

    And at least some of the improvement has happened under Khan:

    Dramatic’ plunge in London air pollution since 2016, report finds

    Exclusive: Number of people living with illegal pollution levels has fallen by 94% since Sadiq Khan became mayor:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/03/dramatic-plunge-in-london-air-pollution-since-2016-report-finds

    Apparently Vancouver has been one of the least polluted cities in the world for donkeys years btw:


  • JamesSeed said:

    And at least some of the improvement has happened under Khan:

    Dramatic’ plunge in London air pollution since 2016, report finds

    Exclusive: Number of people living with illegal pollution levels has fallen by 94% since Sadiq Khan became mayor:

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/oct/03/dramatic-plunge-in-london-air-pollution-since-2016-report-finds

    Not my point though. 

    That is London as a whole I assume and my comments relate to the latest extension to outer London and the way in which it was introduced most recently. 
  • The AQI in London right now is 34
    Near me it’s 41
    In Bexley it’s 24
    In Vancouver it’s 3. 
  • JohnnyH2 said:
    He didnt


  • JamesSeed said:


    That is a different member
  • but isn’t this measure highly variable and linked also to climate / weather?

    TFL I understand have said the metrics they use won’t be available for many months. 

    Need to measure on a like for like basis I assume?

    any views on my concerns on costs? 
  • edited February 2024
    JohnnyH2 said:
    That is a different member
    I demand a recount. 

    Fair point though. 👍
  • Really ? How much notice is acceptable do you think post COVID / middle of a cost of living crisis?

    It was only confirmed in late 2022 as I understand : Mayor Khan announced on 25 November 2022 that the ULEZ would be extended to the rest of Greater London on 29 August 2023.

    The point being the 'timing' of it was difficult for many.
    Apologies, I was confusing expansion to N/S Circulars with the wider GL expansion. Agree, it's not a great deal of time. But, then people are dying, how much time is it acceptable to wait?
  • Stig said:
    Apologies, I was confusing expansion to N/S Circulars with the wider GL expansion. Agree, it's not a great deal of time. But, then people are dying, how much time is it acceptable to wait?
    In this case I’d have said 12 more months given the cost of living pressures. As I say timing in this instance.  
  • Yes, that does sound reasonable to me.
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  • Surely those effected by ULEZ the worst are people who need a car for work and they would have been effected since it came in for inner London. So why the commotion for it being introduced to outer London when things were quiet previously? Do people not drive up to the South Circular?
  • If this was only about pollution, and 10% or less of vehicles are non compliant, then why didn't we simply ban non compliant cars and give a much greater scrap scheme, the cost of all the cameras, outsourcing etc must come to a tidy sum that would have been better used helping the poorer out of non compliant vehicles for everyone's benefit.
  • Rob7Lee said:
    If this was only about pollution, and 10% or less of vehicles are non compliant, then why didn't we simply ban non compliant cars and give a much greater scrap scheme, the cost of all the cameras, outsourcing etc must come to a tidy sum that would have been better used helping the poorer out of non compliant vehicles for everyone's benefit.
    I suspect they were trying to avoid the bad publicity they’d receive for banning certain cars. 
  • Rob7Lee said:
    If this was only about pollution, and 10% or less of vehicles are non compliant, then why didn't we simply ban non compliant cars and give a much greater scrap scheme, the cost of all the cameras, outsourcing etc must come to a tidy sum that would have been better used helping the poorer out of non compliant vehicles for everyone's benefit.
    I don't know if the mayor has the power to ban someone from owning a particular type of vehicle. Even if he has, he'd still need some way of controlling traffic coming into the city from outside. I bet the number of vehicles coming in daily from places in the home counties is in the hundreds of thousands, if not millions. Unless you're going to physically set up road blocks (just imagine how that would go down), cameras are probably the simplest most cost effective control method.
  • You can provide all the evidence that something is effective or not working and it still won't be enough in this era of fake news and misinformation.
    And wilful refusal to believe something that goes against your preconceptions. 
  • JamesSeed said:


    He bonks in Vancouver, visits Washington state, but lives in Bexley. 
  • He bonks in Vancouver, visits Washington state, but lives in Bexley. 
    Not sure it matters where he is. It's still a discussion forum and he's still entitled to an opinion.
  • Rob7Lee said:
    If this was only about pollution, and 10% or less of vehicles are non compliant, then why didn't we simply ban non compliant cars and give a much greater scrap scheme, the cost of all the cameras, outsourcing etc must come to a tidy sum that would have been better used helping the poorer out of non compliant vehicles for everyone's benefit.
    It's so that he can still parade around London in a convoy of ICE 4x4s at the expense of the rate payer and non compliant ULEZ vehicles.

    Labour have shown time and again that they hate ordinary folk having personal transport and will do anything to stop it, or failing that, raise funds from it.
  • Sadiq Khan is acting under instructions from a Conservative government on this, not Labour. He is also on board with international agreements and efforts to tackle emissions and global warming.
    There is no evidence that the expansion of ULEZ is part of a Labour Party attack on people with personal transport.
    Mind you, the Labour decision to downgrade the Green initiative they have been promising is a very bad move.
  • seth plum said:
    Sadiq Khan is acting under instructions from a Conservative government on this, not Labour. He is also on board with international agreements and efforts to tackle emissions and global warming.
    There is no evidence that the expansion of ULEZ is part of a Labour Party attack on people with personal transport.
    Mind you, the Labour decision to downgrade the Green initiative they have been promising is a very bad move.
    Sounds like Labour are just Tory puppets?

    Worth noting that he is very quick to blame the Tory's but yet he bows down to them and carries out there dirty work then? 


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  • cafc999 said:
    Sounds like Labour are just Tory puppets?

    Worth noting that he is very quick to blame the Tory's but yet he bows down to them and carries out there dirty work then? 
    He was talking about the 4x4. It’s actually the Met police who insist on the armour plated Range Rover because of all the death threads he received. 
    When has Khan ‘bowed down to the Tories’?
  • JamesSeed said:
    He was talking about the 4x4. It’s actually the Met police who insist on the armour plated Range Rover because of all the death threads he received. 
    When has Khan ‘bowed down to the Tories’?

    Isn't ULEZ a Tory policy first brough around by eberyone's favorite grifter Boris?
  • cafc999 said:

    Isn't ULEZ a Tory policy first brough around by eberyone's favorite grifter Boris?
    Yes, but fully supported by Khan when he was made mayor. That’s not bowing down, it’s just common sense. 
  • cafc999 said:

    Isn't ULEZ a Tory policy first brough around by eberyone's favorite grifter Boris?
    It is:

    https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/ultra-low-emission-zone

    The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, today (Thursday 26 March) confirmed the introduction of the world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ), and welcomed an increased fund of £65 million to help support London taxi drivers’ transition to zero emission capable taxis.

    The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, said: “The world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone is an essential measure to help improve air quality in our city, protect the health of Londoners, and lengthen our lead as the greatest city on earth. With additional funds announced today, more help is on the way for taxi drivers to support their transition to the latest technology in greener cabs. Together we can ensure everyone who lives, works in, or visits our city has the cleanest possible air to breathe.”

    Prime Minister David Cameron said: “I welcome this announcement which is a world first and great news for London, helping to enhance the quality of life and creating opportunities for companies who develop and manufacture this kind of technology. This will build on the UK’s strengths in low emission technology and the Government is backing this initiative with £25 million of support.”



  • JamesSeed said:
    Yes, but fully supported by Khan when he was made mayor. That’s not bowing down, it’s just common sense. 
    Depends how you want to see it.

    For me, for someone that is so quick to blame the Tories for abslolutley everything he wasn't half quick to implement there policy. Also very quick to moan about the cost of living brought on by this shameful government, yet hikes prices on a whim and then finds £30m to give to unions to shut them up

    He is just another grifter


  • edited February 2024
    It is:

    https://www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/ultra-low-emission-zone

    The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, today (Thursday 26 March) confirmed the introduction of the world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone (ULEZ), and welcomed an increased fund of £65 million to help support London taxi drivers’ transition to zero emission capable taxis.

    The Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, said: “The world’s first Ultra Low Emission Zone is an essential measure to help improve air quality in our city, protect the health of Londoners, and lengthen our lead as the greatest city on earth. With additional funds announced today, more help is on the way for taxi drivers to support their transition to the latest technology in greener cabs. Together we can ensure everyone who lives, works in, or visits our city has the cleanest possible air to breathe.”

    Prime Minister David Cameron said: “I welcome this announcement which is a world first and great news for London, helping to enhance the quality of life and creating opportunities for companies who develop and manufacture this kind of technology. This will build on the UK’s strengths in low emission technology and the Government is backing this initiative with £25 million of support.”

    We all know that it was a Tory policy at that time, and fair play to them. 
    But what you have to ask yourself is ‘would the current Tories have supported Khan if he wanted to bring in a ULEZ, if there wasn’t one already? 
    They clearly wouldn’t, because they would see a political opportunity in opposing it, because these days they seem to have no principles, which is partly why are they are so far behind in the polls. 
    And I don’t think ‘a grifter’ (you may not know what the word means cafc999) would expand the ULEZ zone knowing he’d face a lot of opposition from the right, and conspiracy theory types, and potentially lose a lot of votes. He did it because he thought it was the right thing to do, not the popular option that so many modern day politicians would have chosen. 
    Do you think Khan or Labour would have lined the pockets of their mates and supporters during a national crisis, like the Tories did with PPE? The very definition of grifting.
  • Sadiq Khan is not carrying out Tory ‘dirty work’.
    He is acting according to the rules.
    People complain about protestors blocking the road and tell them to use the system, well Khan is using the system.
  • seth plum said:
    Sadiq Khan is not carrying out Tory ‘dirty work’.
    He is acting according to the rules.
    People complain about protestors blocking the road and tell them to use the system, well Khan is using the system.
    Were you just as supportive to Boris when he was just "using the system"?
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