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England's oldest league football club - Crystal Palace
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And checked their grammar while they were at it.Dave Rudd said:
From the above:Henry Irving said:https://spiksley.com/crystal-palace-fc-1861-or-1905/
A very thorough debunking of the spurious claims by Palace.
A case study in putting wish fulfilment over facts by the Glaziers.
In the document we follow the qualification requirements as outlined by Martin Westby in his England’s Oldest Football Club’s 1815-1889: A New chronological classification of early football published last year.Dave Rudd said:Well, we can put this one to bed easily enough.
The whole debate about 'oldest' football clubs is addressed beautifully in Martin Westby's "England's Oldest Football Clubs 1815-1889". Amongst other things, Martin establishes 'classification rules' which have now been widely accepted and these are as follows:
1) Was the Club listed in Charles Alcock's 'Football Annuals' between 1868 and 1889?
2) Assuming a joint venture with Athletics, Cricket and/or Rugby, when did the Club fully embrace the Association game? Evidence would include membership of the County FA or involvement in the Football Association Cup
3) Does the Club exist in the press of their day?
On that basis, Martin has Crystal Palace FC as being founded in 1905 … joint 34th place with Chelsea and ... umm … Charlton Athletic.
For those interested, Nottm Forest top the tree (1865) now that Notts County are no longer with us.
Maybe they should have checked here first.
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I always think of them as an extension to a Sainsburys store...5
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I always think of them as a bunch of snotgobling stripy Shitweasel ultra wannabe wankerssoapy_jones said:I always think of them as an extension to a Sainsburys store...12 -
Yeah,but what do they have to say about Charlton winning the World Cup?Henry Irving said:https://spiksley.com/crystal-palace-fc-1861-or-1905/
A very thorough debunking of the spurious claims by Palace.
A case study in putting wish fulfilment over facts by the Glaziers.1 -
To be fair, much of their ground looks like it was erected in the 1700's and has been untouched ever since.2
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Pathetic really.0
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Late comers.Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:They celebrated their centenary in 2005, the same year as we celebrated ours.
As they had spent the first 60 odd years farting around in Division 3 and 4 their dvd must have been riveting.
Now they are trying to cast doubt that they got the date right. Plums0 -
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Jesus Christ. This lot are beyond belief. England's oldest league club? They weren't even the first club in Crystal Palace.7
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Let's hope Everton smash them tomorrow.11
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160 years and won nothing2
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"Proudly London for over 150 years"SporadicAddick said:
Well that's bollocks for a start you surrey arseholes
"We are the eagles blah blah blah with a rich history" Erm you were the Glaziers for most of your unremarkable history in the Fourth Division. You then decided to wear the Barcelona kit & adopt the nickname of Benfica. A rich history indeed.
I would rather drink my own piss than drink what is in all likelihood some cheap swill that Sainsburys rejected.
Actually I would rather drink anyone's piss than drink anything out of that bottle9 -
Are you therefore taking the piss🤓charltonbob said:
"Proudly London for over 150 years"SporadicAddick said: Well that's bollocks for a start you surrey arseholes
"We are the eagles blah blah blah with a rich history" Erm you were the Glaziers for most of your unremarkable history in the Fourth Division. You then decided to wear the Barcelona kit & adopt the nickname of Benfica. A rich history indeed.
I would rather drink my own piss than drink what is in all likelihood some cheap swill that Sainsburys rejected.
Actually I would rather drink anyone's piss than drink anything out of that bottle2 -
I was waiting for the line that said they had invented whisky.19
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PM me Bobcharltonbob said:
"Proudly London for over 150 years"SporadicAddick said: Well that's bollocks for a start you surrey arseholes
"We are the eagles blah blah blah with a rich history" Erm you were the Glaziers for most of your unremarkable history in the Fourth Division. You then decided to wear the Barcelona kit & adopt the nickname of Benfica. A rich history indeed.
I would rather drink my own piss than drink what is in all likelihood some cheap swill that Sainsburys rejected.
Actually I would rather drink anyone's piss than drink anything out of that bottle7 -
Always think of Palace as the team that play at Thornton Heath, Surrey.soapy_jones said:So, they claim they are South London and that's bollocks...
They eventually merged into the County borough of Croydon before belatedly transitioning to the London borough of Croydon in 1965. Given their heritage they just don't count
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I think their confusion - based around a misunderstanding that they were first in existence in the 1860s - has a kernel of truth (like all ridiculous conspiracy theories). The football club wasn't launched in that decade; but the entity which gives them their raison-d'etre, their focus, their very existence did, in fact, come about in the 1860s. Because it was in 1869, at number 173 Drury Lane that a shop was first opened by a Mr and Mrs J Sainsbury.
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What in the DBS is this?1
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Imagine how much prouder the Nigels must be stretching their history of... er winning nothing and being best remembered for Eric Cantona... over a thousand years rather than just 1180
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Do they have a museum with items from 1861?2
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The so called Whisky is blended.
Said to be made from fresh Thames water with hints of nicotine, plastic and MacDonalds, leading to a rasping aftertaste.3 -
Thanks for that Seth, I'll order a case now.0
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Water from the river Wandle, which runs through Croydon, can’t be Thames water, as they’re not in Londonseth plum said:The so called Whisky is blended.
Said to be made from fresh Thames water with hints of nicotine, plastic and MacDonalds, leading to a rasping aftertaste.0 -
I thought more a hint of bullshit in the bouquet.seth plum said:The so called Whisky is blended.
Said to be made from fresh Thames water with hints of nicotine, plastic and MacDonalds, leading to a rasping aftertaste.2 -
Do they have any normal fans who are embarrassed by this 150 year nonsense?0
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Yeah I seem to remember a bit of backlash when they first announced it.Friend Or Defoe said:Do they have any normal fans who are embarrassed by this 150 year nonsense?0 -
Some of their own historians have said it is nonsense but the club carry on regardless because they desperately want to market themselves off another club's history rather than their own.Friend Or Defoe said:Do they have any normal fans who are embarrassed by this 150 year nonsense?
Not as if we go on about our club being founded in 1858 other than one article in the programme last April.
Palace, Liverpool and Chelsea - all franchises created to use an existing stadium.0 -
Henry Irving said:
Some of their own historians have said it is nonsense but the club carry on regardless because they desperately want to market themselves off another club's history rather than their own.Friend Or Defoe said:Do they have any normal fans who are embarrassed by this 150 year nonsense?
Not as if we go on about our club being founded in 1858 other than one article in the programme last April.
Palace, Liverpool and Chelsea - all franchises created to use an existing stadium.
? April 1st I assume?0 -
The bastards steal our water!guinnessaddick said:
Water from the river Wandle, which runs through Croydon, can’t be Thames water, as they’re not in Londonseth plum said:The so called Whisky is blended.
Said to be made from fresh Thames water with hints of nicotine, plastic and MacDonalds, leading to a rasping aftertaste.0 -
Yes, how did you guess?Athletico Charlton said:Henry Irving said:
Some of their own historians have said it is nonsense but the club carry on regardless because they desperately want to market themselves off another club's history rather than their own.Friend Or Defoe said:Do they have any normal fans who are embarrassed by this 150 year nonsense?
Not as if we go on about our club being founded in 1858 other than one article in the programme last April.
Palace, Liverpool and Chelsea - all franchises created to use an existing stadium.
? April 1st I assume?0
