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Andy Scott Appointed Technical Director - Gone Feb 2025 (p35)
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Sure I ask him next week, on the yacht party we have planned next week...vff said:DubaiCAFC said:
Yes, also have a new set of wheels sitting outside the mansion as well.vff said:
So a real ‘ proper Charlie’ then 💫 Good for you Dubai, glad that you are getting some ‘hospitality’ alongside the retainer.DubaiCAFC said:
Yes, I get regular meals at Burj Al Arab on the clubs expenses, along with private jet to every single game! Oh he also allows me to have the final say on everything that happens! Along with the odd bit of 'Charlie'...vff said:DubaiCAFC said:
I wouldn't say that is too far from the mark, and I believe the direction they would go, but Charlton being the flagship of it. Charlie has been the public figure, but is he the brains behind it and the power, I am not so sure!fenaddick said:
We haven’t but I guess that’s because Lenegan works for GFP not CAFC. Still think that in the next 5 years GFP will buy a team somewhere like Holland or a lower division team in France or Spain, maybe even Asia given the ownership connection. Lenegan will then oversee the sporting operation of the whole group to make sure strategy is similar.MarcusH26 said:Have we ever heard publicly from Lenagan if he has so much say on things? Seems a bit odd to have a Sporting Director and a Technical Director as I'd have thought there would have been quite a bit of crossover in terms of who's responsible for what.
Hopefully NJ being appointed as manager and not head coach takes out a lot of the ambiguity surrounding who's responsible for what.
Roland spectacularly failed with the multi club model so CAFC fans are rightfully sceptical but it can work when done correct. CAFC need to be a lot more successful for it to work though, you need to be top end Championship minimum
Your friend ‘ Charlie ‘ . I hope you are getting some airline tickets or discount off the season tickets for all this PR deflection & muddying of the water 🤞New sets of wheels in the car park, powerpoints that promise glorious futures don't match up to reality, crap Jan transfer windows and dodgy SMTs and hangers on.Charlton supporters been there and seen that.It would be great if you could run something by 'Charlie'.To symbolise a new beginning with Nathan Jones and Paul Hart - In the centre circle before the next home game - could 'Charlie' burn a pair of his pink trousers, with their strategy plan (pretty thin that one), suggesty using Andy Scott's powerpoints as fuel and add the 352 formation too.Then 'Charlie' make a proper and solemn promise that the SMT will hand over control of the footballing side with identifying new players and team formation to Nathan Jones and Paul Hart. The SMT can then count paper clips (drawing a wage) or whatever expertise they have.It would really encourage Chartlon supporters & the team for survival in League One and future success. Cheers.
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It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.3 -
Nathan Jones transforming the team might well have kept Scott in a job.Crusty54 said:
It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.
Perhaps some of them weren't bad players after all, especially the defensive signings who mostly looked absolutely hopeless under Appleton.4 -
Are they?Crusty54 said:
It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.
Our best player is Anderson in the middle and Kanu up front.
The defensive signings have proven to be good, but my statement about midfield purchases isn't untrue. Where are Bakinson and Fiorini after all?4 -
Yes. SOME OF them are. Which is the point made. Not all of them but that was never the claim. The defence has been improved considerably, Coventry looks like a good signing, Bakinson has a place in the rotation that Jones favours, even Ladapo at least gives us a big guy option so we can manage Aneke's minutes a bit more.SELR_addicks said:
Are they?Crusty54 said:
It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.
Our best player is Anderson in the middle and Kanu up front.
The defensive signings have proven to be good, but my statement about midfield purchases isn't untrue. Where are Bakinson and Fiorini after all?
Not universally successful and definitely room for improvement, but yes, some of the January signings are indeed working out (but not all.)
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Turn around is due to Nathan Jones. Nathan Jones and Paul Hart need to control as much of the football and player decisions as possible. Under Scott the squad is unbalanced and bloated. In the next transfer window, Nathan Jones needs to be identifying the players and the characters needed to send the team upwards.
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Nathan will definitely have his own way about who’s in and out. That’s just who he is and good for him.3
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Nathan Jones has made the biggest difference. He is also almost certainly the one behind both Ramsey and Small; who appear 2 of the better Jan signings.
Fiorini and Ward seem a total waste of time.
Bakinson and Ladapo I would hope are improved on in the summer.
Coventry looks good.
REG and Gillesphey have had good and bad moments.5 -
One of the biggest crimes is how unbalanced we are as a team, which is ultimately down to him, we have spent a lot of money and we are totally avoid of any creativity and attacking threat.SELR_addicks said:
Are they?Crusty54 said:
It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.
Our best player is Anderson in the middle and Kanu up front.
The defensive signings have proven to be good, but my statement about midfield purchases isn't untrue. Where are Bakinson and Fiorini after all?
3 managers, a relegation battle, and a ton of average/poor signings on top of that too.
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Very much doubt we'll see Fiorini in the shirt again.SELR_addicks said:
Are they?Crusty54 said:
It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.
Our best player is Anderson in the middle and Kanu up front.
The defensive signings have proven to be good, but my statement about midfield purchases isn't untrue. Where are Bakinson and Fiorini after all?0 - Sponsored links:
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I wouldn't write him off just yet. Yes fitness is needed (hasnt he turned out for the U23's a couple times?) but hes not a bad player. We know jones likes to rotate and has been picking sides based on a specific gameplan for the opposition we are facing that day. With the run of tough games now over I wouldn't be surprised to see Fiorini used in a free role against some of the weaker teams where we should have more of the ball. I expect he will at least come into consideration in the rotation in the next month or so.carly burn said:
Very much doubt we'll see Fiorini in the shirt again.SELR_addicks said:
Are they?Crusty54 said:
It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.
Our best player is Anderson in the middle and Kanu up front.
The defensive signings have proven to be good, but my statement about midfield purchases isn't untrue. Where are Bakinson and Fiorini after all?0 -
I love NJ, and I think he's overseen a massive improvement in performances in very short time... but in his most successful role to date, at Luton, he wasn't principally responsible for player identification or recruitment, so why would we give him that responsibility now? He's already said that he has license to reject signings he doesn't want and that he could have blocked the Small and Ramsay signings - does he need more power than this?vff said:Turn around is due to Nathan Jones. Nathan Jones and Paul Hart need to control as much of the football and player decisions as possible. Under Scott the squad is unbalanced and bloated. In the next transfer window, Nathan Jones needs to be identifying the players and the characters needed to send the team upwards.
Scott is eminently replaceable, but the idea that we just lump his responsibilities onto Jones seems like a step backwards, and likely not making the most of NJ's obvious talents.2 -
hezzla said:
I love NJ, and I think he's overseen a massive improvement in performances in very short time... but in his most successful role to date, at Luton, he wasn't principally responsible for player identification or recruitment, so why would we give him that responsibility now? He's already said that he has license to reject signings he doesn't want and that he could have blocked the Small and Ramsay signings - does he need more power than this?vff said:Turn around is due to Nathan Jones. Nathan Jones and Paul Hart need to control as much of the football and player decisions as possible. Under Scott the squad is unbalanced and bloated. In the next transfer window, Nathan Jones needs to be identifying the players and the characters needed to send the team upwards.
Scott is eminently replaceable, but the idea that we just lump his responsibilities onto Jones seems like a step backwards, and likely not making the most of NJ's obvious talents.
Fair point, but there was someone else competent at Luton managing this ? Harford ? Andy Scott has not proved any particlular level of competency in his job - Nathan Jones got hired but we had an unbalanced squad and Atherton was hired in the first place and left in place far too long. Fortunate that Nathan Jones has managed to turn things around so quickly. I want Nathan Jones able to get good characters in that will be up for giving everything for club. This was essential for Curbs and Chris Powell building winning and tough teams.
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Fiorini was more an Appleton signing, while Ward was a 3rd keeper to make up for the lack of a decent U21 keeper to play that role. At the end of the day, Coventry, REG and Gillesphey all played well yesterday, so Scott has to be given some credit for them. And summer signings like Jones and Isted are now looking like reasonable or decent signings now too.Athletico Charlton said:Nathan Jones has made the biggest difference. He is also almost certainly the one behind both Ramsey and Small; who appear 2 of the better Jan signings.
Fiorini and Ward seem a total waste of time.
Bakinson and Ladapo I would hope are improved on in the summer.
Coventry looks good.
REG and Gillesphey have had good and bad moments.
Our loan signings this season haven't worked out at all, that's been a massive problem this season, but with a strong finish to the season under Jones we should be in a good position to get the quality ones in the summer, rather than the leftovers.2 -
I think that's all fair, and definitely think Harford's work (and the broader analytics team at Luton) is a massive part of their success, as demonstrated by how they've kept on going with Rob Edwards.vff said:hezzla said:
I love NJ, and I think he's overseen a massive improvement in performances in very short time... but in his most successful role to date, at Luton, he wasn't principally responsible for player identification or recruitment, so why would we give him that responsibility now? He's already said that he has license to reject signings he doesn't want and that he could have blocked the Small and Ramsay signings - does he need more power than this?vff said:Turn around is due to Nathan Jones. Nathan Jones and Paul Hart need to control as much of the football and player decisions as possible. Under Scott the squad is unbalanced and bloated. In the next transfer window, Nathan Jones needs to be identifying the players and the characters needed to send the team upwards.
Scott is eminently replaceable, but the idea that we just lump his responsibilities onto Jones seems like a step backwards, and likely not making the most of NJ's obvious talents.
Fair point, but there was someone else competent at Luton managing this ? Harford ? Andy Scott has not proved any particlular level of competency in his job - Nathan Jones got hired but we had an unbalanced squad and Atherton was hired in the first place and left in place far too long. Fortunate that Nathan Jones has managed to turn things around so quickly. I want Nathan Jones able to get good characters in that will be up for giving everything for club. This was essential for Curbs and Chris Powell building winning and tough teams.
Ultimately we're 19th in the table and Scott himself said the buck stops with him. I just think a lot of the issues with squad balance and recruiting for "character" have been here long before he arrived. I also think it's important for us that the biggest "misses" in recruitment have all been on loans and short-term deals this year. There aren't too many players we're tied to long-term that I'm worried about (and we've successfully exited a few I was), which gives us lots of options in the summer.2 -
To be honest there's plenty of signings we've made this season with a lot to recommend them, and we've sometimes beaten rival L1 teams or Championship teams to some of these players. That they've subsequently been terrible goes to the manager selection, which is also Scott, but we've actually made some pretty good signings on paper which I think we starting to see be borne out by having a decent manager.
Isted was immense for a L1 play-off team, REG, Camara and Gillesphey have all won promotion from L1 in recent years, we beat back Sheff Weds for Coventry, Taylor was highly rated by teams at our level, May and Ladapo were dream signings on this forum with strong L1 goalscoring histories, Edun, Tennai and Lloyd Jones all have good L1 experience. It's mostly been the loans that have been duds this season but I'd much rather we have a good permanent player and see off a disappointing loan than end up in the other situation, where you have Rak-Sakyi for one season and Charlie Kirk contracted for 4. Looking at the squad we have it's not like when our big signings were Sean Clare and Sam Lavelle, there's some really good players there that other teams around our level would love to have, we've just been getting the absolute worst out of them with our off-pitch setup. Hopefully that all changes now6 -
hezzla said:
I think that's all fair, and definitely think Harford's work (and the broader analytics team at Luton) is a massive part of their success, as demonstrated by how they've kept on going with Rob Edwards.vff said:hezzla said:
I love NJ, and I think he's overseen a massive improvement in performances in very short time... but in his most successful role to date, at Luton, he wasn't principally responsible for player identification or recruitment, so why would we give him that responsibility now? He's already said that he has license to reject signings he doesn't want and that he could have blocked the Small and Ramsay signings - does he need more power than this?vff said:Turn around is due to Nathan Jones. Nathan Jones and Paul Hart need to control as much of the football and player decisions as possible. Under Scott the squad is unbalanced and bloated. In the next transfer window, Nathan Jones needs to be identifying the players and the characters needed to send the team upwards.
Scott is eminently replaceable, but the idea that we just lump his responsibilities onto Jones seems like a step backwards, and likely not making the most of NJ's obvious talents.
Fair point, but there was someone else competent at Luton managing this ? Harford ? Andy Scott has not proved any particlular level of competency in his job - Nathan Jones got hired but we had an unbalanced squad and Atherton was hired in the first place and left in place far too long. Fortunate that Nathan Jones has managed to turn things around so quickly. I want Nathan Jones able to get good characters in that will be up for giving everything for club. This was essential for Curbs and Chris Powell building winning and tough teams.
Ultimately we're 19th in the table and Scott himself said the buck stops with him. I just think a lot of the issues with squad balance and recruiting for "character" have been here long before he arrived. I also think it's important for us that the biggest "misses" in recruitment have all been on loans and short-term deals this year. There aren't too many players we're tied to long-term that I'm worried about (and we've successfully exited a few I was), which gives us lots of options in the summer.Andy Scott says that the buck stops with him, but I don't see any responsiblity being taken. The thing about character is important. That striker from Peterborough, Johnson - Harris clearly didn't want to be at Charlton but was pursued, which could have wasted £500k. How did Scott let it get so public or go so far ? I know that the Peterbrough guy is not averse to speaking publicly about players he wants moving on but that farago was not good.I am just seeing some attempts to skate over Scott's role / claim some reflected glory / rewrite history in decisions, because of Nathan Jones' success. Not really impressed with pinning the team inbalance on previous administrations. Its a real politicians argument. Skating over weaknesses in Scott's performance doesn't help Scott improve, or Charlton Athletic to go forward.Picking up lessons from Luton's success so that Nathan Jones is supported the best as can be, so he can manage effectively, and get the right players needs to be the focus.4 -
Think we're basing too much on a few decent performances if we're saying that now the recruitment was good.hezzla said:
I think that's all fair, and definitely think Harford's work (and the broader analytics team at Luton) is a massive part of their success, as demonstrated by how they've kept on going with Rob Edwards.vff said:hezzla said:
I love NJ, and I think he's overseen a massive improvement in performances in very short time... but in his most successful role to date, at Luton, he wasn't principally responsible for player identification or recruitment, so why would we give him that responsibility now? He's already said that he has license to reject signings he doesn't want and that he could have blocked the Small and Ramsay signings - does he need more power than this?vff said:Turn around is due to Nathan Jones. Nathan Jones and Paul Hart need to control as much of the football and player decisions as possible. Under Scott the squad is unbalanced and bloated. In the next transfer window, Nathan Jones needs to be identifying the players and the characters needed to send the team upwards.
Scott is eminently replaceable, but the idea that we just lump his responsibilities onto Jones seems like a step backwards, and likely not making the most of NJ's obvious talents.
Fair point, but there was someone else competent at Luton managing this ? Harford ? Andy Scott has not proved any particlular level of competency in his job - Nathan Jones got hired but we had an unbalanced squad and Atherton was hired in the first place and left in place far too long. Fortunate that Nathan Jones has managed to turn things around so quickly. I want Nathan Jones able to get good characters in that will be up for giving everything for club. This was essential for Curbs and Chris Powell building winning and tough teams.
Ultimately we're 19th in the table and Scott himself said the buck stops with him. I just think a lot of the issues with squad balance and recruiting for "character" have been here long before he arrived. I also think it's important for us that the biggest "misses" in recruitment have all been on loans and short-term deals this year. There aren't too many players we're tied to long-term that I'm worried about (and we've successfully exited a few I was), which gives us lots of options in the summer.
We still have a number of senior players out on loan who will return in the summer.
The loans continue to be less than impressive, three weren't even in the squad last night.
Isted looks better than AMB at the moment but I'm yet to see a dominant championship winning keeper. But he looks more solid.
Coventry had a very good half a game but it was only half a game.
The same applies to the other 10 starters.
The defenders, Reg, MG, are improving but Small is the pick of the bunch imho and he was a Jones signing. Jury still out on T Watson and Edun although both improving. Ramsey also a Jones signing.
The core of the team remain players brought in before Scott ie May, Aneke, Ness, Dobson and the criminally under rated Thomas plus academy products in Karoy and Danu.
Yes, it takes time, yes it was a mess and it has been for a while but we've won one of our last 19 league games and are still in a real relegation fight.
Jones is giving me and most others realistic hope that we'll avoid the drop but we have, according to our finance director, the 4th or 5th biggest budget in the division. Anything less than top six is failure and bottom six is a disaster.
So no, the recruitment has not been good.
Too often it has been too late, in positions we didn't need at the expense of those we did and for players who weren't fit enough to impact lead by managers recruited by Scott.
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I think we’re arguing different points. To be clear, I am *not* defending Scott’s performance in role. Hence why I said he was replaceable.Henry Irving said:
Think we're basing too much on a few decent performances if we're saying that now the recruitment was good.hezzla said:
I think that's all fair, and definitely think Harford's work (and the broader analytics team at Luton) is a massive part of their success, as demonstrated by how they've kept on going with Rob Edwards.vff said:hezzla said:
I love NJ, and I think he's overseen a massive improvement in performances in very short time... but in his most successful role to date, at Luton, he wasn't principally responsible for player identification or recruitment, so why would we give him that responsibility now? He's already said that he has license to reject signings he doesn't want and that he could have blocked the Small and Ramsay signings - does he need more power than this?vff said:Turn around is due to Nathan Jones. Nathan Jones and Paul Hart need to control as much of the football and player decisions as possible. Under Scott the squad is unbalanced and bloated. In the next transfer window, Nathan Jones needs to be identifying the players and the characters needed to send the team upwards.
Scott is eminently replaceable, but the idea that we just lump his responsibilities onto Jones seems like a step backwards, and likely not making the most of NJ's obvious talents.
Fair point, but there was someone else competent at Luton managing this ? Harford ? Andy Scott has not proved any particlular level of competency in his job - Nathan Jones got hired but we had an unbalanced squad and Atherton was hired in the first place and left in place far too long. Fortunate that Nathan Jones has managed to turn things around so quickly. I want Nathan Jones able to get good characters in that will be up for giving everything for club. This was essential for Curbs and Chris Powell building winning and tough teams.
Ultimately we're 19th in the table and Scott himself said the buck stops with him. I just think a lot of the issues with squad balance and recruiting for "character" have been here long before he arrived. I also think it's important for us that the biggest "misses" in recruitment have all been on loans and short-term deals this year. There aren't too many players we're tied to long-term that I'm worried about (and we've successfully exited a few I was), which gives us lots of options in the summer.
We still have a number of senior players out on loan who will return in the summer.
The loans continue to be less than impressive, three weren't even in the squad last night.
Isted looks better than AMB at the moment but I'm yet to see a dominant championship winning keeper. But he looks more solid.
Coventry had a very good half a game but it was only half a game.
The same applies to the other 10 starters.
The defenders, Reg, MG, are improving but Small is the pick of the bunch imho and he was a Jones signing. Jury still out on T Watson and Edun although both improving. Ramsey also a Jones signing.
The core of the team remain players brought in before Scott ie May, Aneke, Ness, Dobson and the criminally under rated Thomas plus academy products in Karoy and Danu.
Yes, it takes time, yes it was a mess and it has been for a while but we've won one of our last 19 league games and are still in a real relegation fight.
Jones is giving me and most others realistic hope that we'll avoid the drop but we have, according to our finance director, the 4th or 5th biggest budget in the division. Anything less than top six is failure and bottom six is a disaster.
So no, the recruitment has not been good.
Too often it has been too late, in positions we didn't need at the expense of those we did and for players who weren't fit enough to impact lead by managers recruited by Scott.He is ultimately responsible for all signings made in his tenure, (including May, Jones, Small, Coventry, Ramsay, and anyone else people are ascribing elsewhere), because that’s his job. And as a whole, recruitment looks like it’s been poor. More damningly, our league position demonstrates he’s not doing his job well.My only argument is that switching around responsibilities, or giving the manager more say, doesn’t solve the issue, as we’ve seen over the various preceding models, which have all had the same flaws in squad building and have led to this point.0 -
I think I'm sensing a narrative being spun along the lines that all the footballing appointments who turn out to be rubbish are ones chosen by Scott, and those that are any good, he didn't want but was overruled on? If that's so, I find it odd that those who employ him and have overruled him, continue to keep faith with him. They got rid of a poor manager. Why not him?Crusty54 said:
It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.
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I don’t think Scott’s done well, and I completely agree re: JCH. Failing to assess players based on character is one of the single biggest issues with our recruitment and I hope we address it. Always remember Curbs was massive on this back in the day.vff said:hezzla said:
I think that's all fair, and definitely think Harford's work (and the broader analytics team at Luton) is a massive part of their success, as demonstrated by how they've kept on going with Rob Edwards.vff said:hezzla said:
I love NJ, and I think he's overseen a massive improvement in performances in very short time... but in his most successful role to date, at Luton, he wasn't principally responsible for player identification or recruitment, so why would we give him that responsibility now? He's already said that he has license to reject signings he doesn't want and that he could have blocked the Small and Ramsay signings - does he need more power than this?vff said:Turn around is due to Nathan Jones. Nathan Jones and Paul Hart need to control as much of the football and player decisions as possible. Under Scott the squad is unbalanced and bloated. In the next transfer window, Nathan Jones needs to be identifying the players and the characters needed to send the team upwards.
Scott is eminently replaceable, but the idea that we just lump his responsibilities onto Jones seems like a step backwards, and likely not making the most of NJ's obvious talents.
Fair point, but there was someone else competent at Luton managing this ? Harford ? Andy Scott has not proved any particlular level of competency in his job - Nathan Jones got hired but we had an unbalanced squad and Atherton was hired in the first place and left in place far too long. Fortunate that Nathan Jones has managed to turn things around so quickly. I want Nathan Jones able to get good characters in that will be up for giving everything for club. This was essential for Curbs and Chris Powell building winning and tough teams.
Ultimately we're 19th in the table and Scott himself said the buck stops with him. I just think a lot of the issues with squad balance and recruiting for "character" have been here long before he arrived. I also think it's important for us that the biggest "misses" in recruitment have all been on loans and short-term deals this year. There aren't too many players we're tied to long-term that I'm worried about (and we've successfully exited a few I was), which gives us lots of options in the summer.Andy Scott says that the buck stops with him, but I don't see any responsiblity being taken. The thing about character is important. That striker from Peterborough, Johnson - Harris clearly didn't want to be at Charlton but was pursued, which could have wasted £500k. How did Scott let it get so public or go so far ? I know that the Peterbrough guy is not averse to speaking publicly about players he wants moving on but that farago was not good.I am just seeing some attempts to skate over Scott's role / claim some reflected glory / rewrite history in decisions, because of Nathan Jones' success. Not really impressed with pinning the team inbalance on previous administrations. Its a real politicians argument. Skating over weaknesses in Scott's performance doesn't help Scott improve, or Charlton Athletic to go forward.Picking up lessons from Luton's success so that Nathan Jones is supported the best as can be, so he can manage effectively, and get the right players needs to be the focus.1 -
hezzla said:
Same for all of our managers that have had any success with us.
I don’t think Scott’s done well, and I completely agree re: JCH. Failing to assess players based on character is one of the single biggest issues with our recruitment and I hope we address it. Always remember Curbs was massive on this back in the day.vff said:hezzla said:
I think that's all fair, and definitely think Harford's work (and the broader analytics team at Luton) is a massive part of their success, as demonstrated by how they've kept on going with Rob Edwards.vff said:hezzla said:
I love NJ, and I think he's overseen a massive improvement in performances in very short time... but in his most successful role to date, at Luton, he wasn't principally responsible for player identification or recruitment, so why would we give him that responsibility now? He's already said that he has license to reject signings he doesn't want and that he could have blocked the Small and Ramsay signings - does he need more power than this?vff said:Turn around is due to Nathan Jones. Nathan Jones and Paul Hart need to control as much of the football and player decisions as possible. Under Scott the squad is unbalanced and bloated. In the next transfer window, Nathan Jones needs to be identifying the players and the characters needed to send the team upwards.
Scott is eminently replaceable, but the idea that we just lump his responsibilities onto Jones seems like a step backwards, and likely not making the most of NJ's obvious talents.
Fair point, but there was someone else competent at Luton managing this ? Harford ? Andy Scott has not proved any particlular level of competency in his job - Nathan Jones got hired but we had an unbalanced squad and Atherton was hired in the first place and left in place far too long. Fortunate that Nathan Jones has managed to turn things around so quickly. I want Nathan Jones able to get good characters in that will be up for giving everything for club. This was essential for Curbs and Chris Powell building winning and tough teams.
Ultimately we're 19th in the table and Scott himself said the buck stops with him. I just think a lot of the issues with squad balance and recruiting for "character" have been here long before he arrived. I also think it's important for us that the biggest "misses" in recruitment have all been on loans and short-term deals this year. There aren't too many players we're tied to long-term that I'm worried about (and we've successfully exited a few I was), which gives us lots of options in the summer.Andy Scott says that the buck stops with him, but I don't see any responsiblity being taken. The thing about character is important. That striker from Peterborough, Johnson - Harris clearly didn't want to be at Charlton but was pursued, which could have wasted £500k. How did Scott let it get so public or go so far ? I know that the Peterbrough guy is not averse to speaking publicly about players he wants moving on but that farago was not good.I am just seeing some attempts to skate over Scott's role / claim some reflected glory / rewrite history in decisions, because of Nathan Jones' success. Not really impressed with pinning the team inbalance on previous administrations. Its a real politicians argument. Skating over weaknesses in Scott's performance doesn't help Scott improve, or Charlton Athletic to go forward.Picking up lessons from Luton's success so that Nathan Jones is supported the best as can be, so he can manage effectively, and get the right players needs to be the focus.0 -
Coventry and Small I would say have made a good impact. (Admittedly again it's only been 3 games).thenewbie said:
Yes. SOME OF them are. Which is the point made. Not all of them but that was never the claim. The defence has been improved considerably, Coventry looks like a good signing, Bakinson has a place in the rotation that Jones favours, even Ladapo at least gives us a big guy option so we can manage Aneke's minutes a bit more.SELR_addicks said:
Are they?Crusty54 said:
It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.
Our best player is Anderson in the middle and Kanu up front.
The defensive signings have proven to be good, but my statement about midfield purchases isn't untrue. Where are Bakinson and Fiorini after all?
Not universally successful and definitely room for improvement, but yes, some of the January signings are indeed working out (but not all.)
I said the defensive purchases were good. I was talking about the midfield lacking creativity and the lack of support up front. We still have those issues now.
Most of the players that have helped Jones turn the side around were here before Scott even joined.0 -
Agreedswordfish said:
I think I'm sensing a narrative being spun along the lines that all the footballing appointments who turn out to be rubbish are ones chosen by Scott, and those that are any good, he didn't want but was overruled on? If that's so, I find it odd that those who employ him and have overruled him, continue to keep faith with him. They got rid of a poor manager. Why not him?Crusty54 said:
It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.
Has Scott done a great job? Clearly no, but it's wrong to not give him some credit for some of the arrivals. The vast majority of the team that played last night were signed when he was in the building, and both Anderson and Kanu have been secured on long contracts this season under his remit.
The 4 year deal with an option for another year given to Anderson last summer looks VERY good business.
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Andy Scott is a useless prick...pass it on3
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The rest of this season will help show whether this is true or not, but maybe the player signings were never the issue and it was simply a case of signing a hapless manager. (For which some responsibility needs to be taken). All the players have improved in the last month since Crappleton left.
As stated before, I have found the hateful rhetoric towards Scott really weird to be honest. There is no doubt that the January window seems to have been more successful than the Summer one so let's just see what the rest of the season brings and see if we can build on that. I think having Scott and Jones working together is better in terms of recruitment than just having one of them.1 -
Are we that devoid of attacking threat? We've just scored 5 goals against 2 of the top teams in the division, away from home5
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Valid point tbf.sam3110 said:Are we that devoid of attacking threat? We've just scored 5 goals against 2 of the top teams in the division, away from home
Onwards and upwards fellas
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Chances are that he isn't/wasn't ever quite as bad as the very worst interpretation would have it, though even charitably you'd have to call his record "mixed."killerandflash said:
Agreedswordfish said:
I think I'm sensing a narrative being spun along the lines that all the footballing appointments who turn out to be rubbish are ones chosen by Scott, and those that are any good, he didn't want but was overruled on? If that's so, I find it odd that those who employ him and have overruled him, continue to keep faith with him. They got rid of a poor manager. Why not him?Crusty54 said:
It seems some of the January signings are working out after all.SELR_addicks said:Honestly believe the January transfer window has sent us down.
We desperately needed some creativity in the middle and we signed defensive midfielders instead.
Desperately needed a winger but forcing this 3-5-2 instead which we have never shown we can perform with.
Has Scott done a great job? Clearly no, but it's wrong to not give him some credit for some of the arrivals. The vast majority of the team that played last night were signed when he was in the building, and both Anderson and Kanu have been secured on long contracts this season under his remit.
The 4 year deal with an option for another year given to Anderson last summer looks VERY good business.
Some things he did have been fairly good but as with a lot of things with football it's often the mistakes and the bad choices that get focused on and remembered - and picking Appleton and then sticking with him for so long were both very bad choices.
I suspect that if he was going to be moved on it would have been done already but I also suspect that he's on a fairly short rope with the money men and won't have much margin for error left - based on nothing but my own thoughts of course.0
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