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New Manager Bounce
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Bearing in mind we’ve seen similar short spells of (very welcome) intensity of effort from this squad with previous new managers/coaches, I’m surprised that so many posters on here are reacting as if it is a new phenomenon.
I can understand the relief at an improvement in form when we are in relegation danger but can this squad physically keep up this intensity for every game Saturday / Tuesday?
At the current rate of injuries and suspensions we are going to continue to lose players frequently.
For me, this intensity is impossible to replicate for all the remaining games so we need to keep level headed and realistic because we have a long fight ahead to escape relegation.
Yes Jones is doing well with the New Manager Bounce, but we’ve all seen how fragile this squad is and I for one don’t want to have my hopes dashed yet again.
A modicum of reality is required.
Yes Jones is doing well with the New Manager Bounce, but we’ve all seen how fragile this squad is and I for one don’t want to have my hopes dashed yet again.
A modicum of reality is required.
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It’s not just the performances that have improved. Looks to me like the players just seem happier and re energised. Was never a relegation squad based on quality. I think the previous two managers sucked the confidence out of them. Time will tell.m_2 said:Bearing in mind we’ve seen similar short spells of (very welcome) intensity of effort from this squad with previous new managers/coaches, I’m surprised that so many posters on here are reacting as if it is a new phenomenon.I can understand the relief at an improvement in form when we are in relegation danger but can this squad physically keep up this intensity for every game Saturday / Tuesday?At the current rate of injuries and suspensions we are going to continue to lose players frequently.For me, this intensity is impossible to replicate for all the remaining games so we need to keep level headed and realistic because we have a long fight ahead to escape relegation.
Yes Jones is doing well with the New Manager Bounce, but we’ve all seen how fragile this squad is and I for one don’t want to have my hopes dashed yet again.
A modicum of reality is required.13 -
I think that is discrediting what Jones has done with the squad. We might've won a couple of games at the start under Appleton, but we never played like we did on Tuesday.12
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Appleton was a drain. A complete gormless and uninspiring barbell.
Jones seems to understand the task ahead much better than others of late. Holden gave it a good game chat wise, but did not show much on field.21 -
Agree with you up to a point, this might be our bounce, Saturdays match is equally as important (as is next Tuesdays).m_2 said:Bearing in mind we’ve seen similar short spells of (very welcome) intensity of effort from this squad with previous new managers/coaches, I’m surprised that so many posters on here are reacting as if it is a new phenomenon.I can understand the relief at an improvement in form when we are in relegation danger but can this squad physically keep up this intensity for every game Saturday / Tuesday?At the current rate of injuries and suspensions we are going to continue to lose players frequently.For me, this intensity is impossible to replicate for all the remaining games so we need to keep level headed and realistic because we have a long fight ahead to escape relegation.
Yes Jones is doing well with the New Manager Bounce, but we’ve all seen how fragile this squad is and I for one don’t want to have my hopes dashed yet again.
A modicum of reality is required.
I really don’t want us to get a ‘flash’ in the pan, would be great to get back to back wins, as we haven’t done that all season, would be another monkey off the back, and would be good to become consistently good, rather than consistently bad.2 -
Tuesday was a fantastic result, I don't blame people for getting carried away but we we're dreadful in the first half, and Derby we're also dreadful in the second half. How they are second I am not sure1
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This describes Jones’ new bounce. We’ve waited a while and it goes off.2 -
New manager bounce?! Jones didn't win for 5 games! If anything, what we're seeing is the signs of something more lasting18
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If anything we have fewer people missing than earlier in the season.m_2 said:Bearing in mind we’ve seen similar short spells of (very welcome) intensity of effort from this squad with previous new managers/coaches, I’m surprised that so many posters on here are reacting as if it is a new phenomenon.I can understand the relief at an improvement in form when we are in relegation danger but can this squad physically keep up this intensity for every game Saturday / Tuesday?At the current rate of injuries and suspensions we are going to continue to lose players frequently.For me, this intensity is impossible to replicate for all the remaining games so we need to keep level headed and realistic because we have a long fight ahead to escape relegation.
Yes Jones is doing well with the New Manager Bounce, but we’ve all seen how fragile this squad is and I for one don’t want to have my hopes dashed yet again.
A modicum of reality is required.
And to maintain the intensity, we're using our large squad to rotate the team, so for many of the players it isn't Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday. We'll have a fresh Dobson and Bakinson available on Saturday, for example.2 -
I think this is different. New manager bounce has an immediate impact, what we are seeing with Jones is improvement over time.The Reading and Lincoln games weren’t much different performance wise to what we had seen before, but we are seeing week by week how we are getting better so I don’t think it is the usual “new manager comes in players try a bit harder”. They tried harder under Fleming and we were still shit so it’s more than that4
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cafcsinger said:Tuesday was a fantastic result, I don't blame people for getting carried away but we we're dreadful in the first half, and Derby we're also dreadful in the second half. How they are second I am not sure
Agree it was head tennis in 1st half.
Derby are 2nd because they have been consistent all season yet had an off night once we got into them and they wobbled big time.
Derby emulated our two home defeats in a week against Colchester and Notts county under CP.
Just like we shouldn't think someone who has a good game against Cafc is the dog's and we should sign them.
Overall the standard is mediocre in league 1 23/24 but until Nathan Jones turned up there was a terrible disconnect between fans and players with so many fan/critics had thrown the towel in.
I looked at it as Nathan Jones had 15 games/steps to galvanize the players and fans and no individual game was a must win but we needed 6 wins minimum with about 6 draws.
After the Reading games we have seen the difference in attitude and 100% effort over the 100 odd minutes.
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Maybe Derby were dreadful because we stepped up the intensity & didn't give them any time on the ballcafcsinger said:Tuesday was a fantastic result, I don't blame people for getting carried away but we we're dreadful in the first half, and Derby we're also dreadful in the second half. How they are second I am not sure8 -
That's the only thing that worries me about Jones, he talks about streamlining the squad, it's too big etc but playing a high intensity game surely we need a large squad ? Anyway so far I'm very impressed with Jones & sure he knows what he's doing. (Famous last wordskillerandflash said:
If anything we have fewer people missing than earlier in the season.m_2 said:Bearing in mind we’ve seen similar short spells of (very welcome) intensity of effort from this squad with previous new managers/coaches, I’m surprised that so many posters on here are reacting as if it is a new phenomenon.I can understand the relief at an improvement in form when we are in relegation danger but can this squad physically keep up this intensity for every game Saturday / Tuesday?At the current rate of injuries and suspensions we are going to continue to lose players frequently.For me, this intensity is impossible to replicate for all the remaining games so we need to keep level headed and realistic because we have a long fight ahead to escape relegation.
Yes Jones is doing well with the New Manager Bounce, but we’ve all seen how fragile this squad is and I for one don’t want to have my hopes dashed yet again.
A modicum of reality is required.
And to maintain the intensity, we're using our large squad to rotate the team, so for many of the players it isn't Saturday, Tuesday, Saturday. We'll have a fresh Dobson and Bakinson available on Saturday, for example.
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Jones isn't afraid to rotate the side so i don't see much of an issue with the intensity we play at. A lot of what i'd class as our key players have all had a rest in recent weeks.
Aside from perhaps the likes of Small and Anderson who might soon need a rest after playing a few games in a short burst, i don't see any reason why we can't continue as we have.2 -
Jones has already proved he’s not afraid to play youngsters. Anderson and Kanu looked lost before he arrived and Small looks at this point a real find and looks likely to hold on to that left wingback position. Next season he’ll have had a good look at who else is in line for being given a chance. I’ve heard Casey is worth a look and Henry will be back for pre season. That’s without Miles being back. We forget he’s only 20. High tempo will suit all of those players. I think we do have a bloated squad and provided Jones has the support financially to lose some and replace with better and with less injury concerns I’m very hopeful for next season. Let’s get safe first of course.3
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Our squad is not so much bloated, but unbalanced. Whoever was in charge of bringing them in should have listened to my mother's advice: "Don't go shopping when you're hungry, or you just end up buying shit you don't need".6
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Ha ha Henry will be back. He's hopeless and as he is so slow, certainly wouldn't suit the high press gameShootersHillGuru said:Jones has already proved he’s not afraid to play youngsters. Anderson and Kanu looked lost before he arrived and Small looks at this point a real find and looks likely to hold on to that left wingback position. Next season he’ll have had a good look at who else is in line for being given a chance. I’ve heard Casey is worth a look and Henry will be back for pre season. That’s without Miles being back. We forget he’s only 20. High tempo will suit all of those players. I think we do have a bloated squad and provided Jones has the support financially to lose some and replace with better and with less injury concerns I’m very hopeful for next season. Let’s get safe first of course.0 -
But don't forget Zach Mitchell who is only just 19 and has played most matches for Colchester this season, although he's been MIA for several games recently so suspect he's currently injured.ShootersHillGuru said:Jones has already proved he’s not afraid to play youngsters. Anderson and Kanu looked lost before he arrived and Small looks at this point a real find and looks likely to hold on to that left wingback position. Next season he’ll have had a good look at who else is in line for being given a chance. I’ve heard Casey is worth a look and Henry will be back for pre season. That’s without Miles being back. We forget he’s only 20. High tempo will suit all of those players. I think we do have a bloated squad and provided Jones has the support financially to lose some and replace with better and with less injury concerns I’m very hopeful for next season. Let’s get safe first of course.1 -
Precisely this. Until a few days ago when we finally won a game, we had one particular poster who was very keen to point out the lack of a new manager bounce.Leuth said:New manager bounce?! Jones didn't win for 5 games! If anything, what we're seeing is the signs of something more lasting0 -
Left out as they have too many loan players. The Cowleys probably prefer more experience at the back for a relegation battleFanny Fanackapan said:
But don't forget Zach Mitchell who is only just 19 and has played most matches for Colchester this season, although he's been MIA for several games recently so suspect he's currently injured.ShootersHillGuru said:Jones has already proved he’s not afraid to play youngsters. Anderson and Kanu looked lost before he arrived and Small looks at this point a real find and looks likely to hold on to that left wingback position. Next season he’ll have had a good look at who else is in line for being given a chance. I’ve heard Casey is worth a look and Henry will be back for pre season. That’s without Miles being back. We forget he’s only 20. High tempo will suit all of those players. I think we do have a bloated squad and provided Jones has the support financially to lose some and replace with better and with less injury concerns I’m very hopeful for next season. Let’s get safe first of course.0 -
You're not proper Charlton if you expect anything other than having your hopes dashedm_2 said:Bearing in mind we’ve seen similar short spells of (very welcome) intensity of effort from this squad with previous new managers/coaches, I’m surprised that so many posters on here are reacting as if it is a new phenomenon.I can understand the relief at an improvement in form when we are in relegation danger but can this squad physically keep up this intensity for every game Saturday / Tuesday?At the current rate of injuries and suspensions we are going to continue to lose players frequently.For me, this intensity is impossible to replicate for all the remaining games so we need to keep level headed and realistic because we have a long fight ahead to escape relegation.
Yes Jones is doing well with the New Manager Bounce, but we’ve all seen how fragile this squad is and I for one don’t want to have my hopes dashed yet again.
A modicum of reality is required.
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A friend of mine is well connected at a former club Holden managed at, he shared a screenshot from an ex player of his who called him 'The worst coach or manager he had in his life'. The sentiment was that he wanted to be everyone's best friend as a result not much meaningful work was done on the training pitch, players leaving early, mostly just 5 a side games to see out the day and very little opposition analysis. I don't know anyone at the training grounds of any of Apples previous clubs so can't comment in that regard but it clearly by the end was an utter abject failure. I feel like Jones is getting it right on all fronts at the moment and long may it continue5
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It might be an idea while we're having a manager bounce to have a fan bounce as well.A deal on all remaining home game tickets to get as many in as possible. The atmosphere against pompey was the best it's been for a while.3
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Not just the results since NJ has come in but the organisation and football has improved so much as well which is satisfying to see6
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I think we had a new manager bounce in the draws against Lincoln, Bolton and Pompey in not losing and definitely in the win over Derby.
Can't see Port vale have had a new manager bounce as I believe they have amassed 1 point in 12 since Darren Moore entered the building despite being ahead in 3 of those games.
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Maybe, but we've had a few freebie things this season. Have too many and it's a disincentive to getting a season ticket.Baldybonce said:It might be an idea while we're having a manager bounce to have a fan bounce as well.A deal on all remaining home game tickets to get as many in as possible. The atmosphere against pompey was the best it's been for a while.0 -
I imagine they will have to make prices VERY attractive for next season.Stig said:
Maybe, but we've had a few freebie things this season. Have too many and it's a disincentive to getting a season ticket.Baldybonce said:It might be an idea while we're having a manager bounce to have a fan bounce as well.A deal on all remaining home game tickets to get as many in as possible. The atmosphere against pompey was the best it's been for a while.
Two reasons, a further season in division three is depressing, and catastrophic for season ticket sales if we went down.0 -
Did not work for Neil Warnock, although won today but has now resigned0
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soapboxsam said:I think we had a new manager bounce in the draws against Lincoln, Bolton and Pompey in not losing and definitely in the win over Derby.
Can't see Port vale have had a new manager bounce as I believe they have amassed 1 point in 12 since Darren Moore entered the building despite being ahead in 3 of those games.
I still have to chuckle that a long time poster on CL thought Darren Moore going to Port vale was "another nail in our coffin" showing total disrespect to Nathan Jones.
While Port Vale's new manager's bounce under Moore has accumulated 1 point in 15, Cafc have accumulated 11 points in 15 even if we have to battle and scrap every game.
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