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George Dobson - Gone to Wrexham p136, farewell message p142

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  • At the risk of triggering more abuse from some of my favourite Lifers😉 we should also consider the possibilty that his agent had a significant financial incentive to steer Dobbo to Fehervar, and get it closed up quickly. I have no evidence for this, but it happens, because agents are completely unregulated and apparently is more likely when a foreign club is involved. I read that this was a factor in Josh Maja going to Bordeaux - may have been Charlie who said it but I can’t track that down.
    Even so Dobbo can't be forced to sign, end of the day it's his decision.
  • Even so Dobbo can't be forced to sign, end of the day it's his decision.
    No. The agent forged his signature. 
  • The quote references ‘common ground’. 

    To me that means Dobson has to concede some ground too. Presumably he needs to  (net) accept less than he is getting in Hungary because we now also need to help him get out of the pre contract commitments. I imagine he needs to balance a future with NJ and less reward than he can get elsewhere but the benefit of staying put etc. 
  • Scoham said:
    Semedo got promoted the same season as we did and then spent 5 years in Championship which  shows he was a good player too.
    98 appearances in the Championship. Semedo was a good player in his own right. The comparison is apt.
  • Chunes said:
    Let's not forget we had a Coach & Director of Football setup. Andy Scott was in charge of retention/recruitment and he told Dobbo that he didn't rate him. As far as Dobbo was concerned, the guy in charge didn't want him and that was the end of it.

    How was George supposed to know that they'd bring in Jones as manager and want him to stay? He didn't have a crystal ball 
    Didn't rate him, but still offered him a contract extension? Give over
  • Chunes said:
    Let's not forget we had a Coach & Director of Football setup. Andy Scott was in charge of retention/recruitment and he told Dobbo that he didn't rate him. As far as Dobbo was concerned, the guy in charge didn't want him and that was the end of it.

    How was George supposed to know that they'd bring in Jones as manager and want him to stay? He didn't have a crystal ball
    But equally Dobson had total control of the situation as his contract was expiring. Don't need a crystal ball when you're free at the end of the season either way. If he was gone permanently in January then sure, but signing the pre-contract was a bit of a mad move given that waiting until the summer would have given him more options. Probably in response to feeling insulted; judging by the way that bloke came flapping on here swinging at anything that moved when the deal happened it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that was the feeling in the Dobson camp. It does feel a bit like he was angry and took his opportunity to secure his future rather than waiting, which is fine, it's his life, but he may regret it now. I like Dobson, I'm glad he's showing more as a footballer under Jones because he's always been more than just a steam shovel, but signing that pre-contract was always a bit of a a rogue move. 
    The way he's playing at the moment I reckon a few Championship teams would be perking up and starting to view him in a new light, he might have had a few interesting options even beyond sticking with the Jones project.
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    He may have signed the pre-contract to try to force the clubs into a move that January. 

    Obviously, it then is in Charlton's interests to try and get a fee that window than leaving it when he's definitely gone anyway on a free. 

    The move then fell through when Jones came in and Dobson is now stuck with a pre-contract he signed back when he felt offended by the contract terms and wanted out. 
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    edited April 2024
    I doubt Charlton's SMT are going to pay Hungarians anything substantive that would change their mind. Andy Scott and senior management team also don't won't reminding of their lack of judgement in the first place by keeping George Dobson around.Reading that Nathan Jones really wants to keep him, so there may always be that very outside possiblity, but I doubt it. I wish it were different.
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  • I would say Dobson is on par with Danny Hollands. 

    Difference is that Hollands had Stephens alongside him. Dobson had Morgan. 

    I think for me it does come down to who we bring in. If we have signings of the level of the last few years, then Dobson is VITAL because he has been the best we have had by a stretch. 

    If we bring in two CMs of the level of Stephens, Cullen and Hollands then thinking we could be ok is not diminishing Dobbos qualities.

    as it happens I think it will be hard to get players of the quality I list here, meaning letting him go will prove to be a crap decision  most likely.
  • edited April 2024
    Didn’t curbs rate and say similar about Alex Gilbey as well?
    He rated Gilbey's engine, can't recall him saying he'd have him in his prem sides
  • You can’t sit there with a straight face and say that he would have played premier league football surely? 
    Curbs said it, not me. I'm just reporting what he said.

    And he had a straight face when he said it.

  • edited April 2024
    At the risk of triggering more abuse from some of my favourite Lifers😉 we should also consider the possibilty that his agent had a significant financial incentive to steer Dobbo to Fehervar, and get it closed up quickly. I have no evidence for this, but it happens, because agents are completely unregulated and apparently is more likely when a foreign club is involved. I read that this was a factor in Josh Maja going to Bordeaux - may have been Charlie who said it but I can’t track that down.
    You know that we also bid for Maya this time?

    Ha accepted, but finally went to france.
  • edited April 2024
    Chunes said:
    He rated Gilbey's engine, can't recall him saying he'd have him in his prem sides
    No, i agree  Curbs has not been suggesting that Dobbo could have played in his Premier League teams either, more that he was the kind of player who helped us to get there. 
    But he has also said that he thinks Dobbo’s passing range is under-rated too, and NJ said similar things today. 
    And at 26, he is still developing…
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  • Why is Dobbo not actually interviewed? He Is the club captain!?
    Starting to miss the muscle arm emogi and 'we go again' from Jason Pearce!😂💪
  • But equally Dobson had total control of the situation as his contract was expiring. Don't need a crystal ball when you're free at the end of the season either way. If he was gone permanently in January then sure, but signing the pre-contract was a bit of a mad move given that waiting until the summer would have given him more options. Probably in response to feeling insulted; judging by the way that bloke came flapping on here swinging at anything that moved when the deal happened it wouldn't be unreasonable to think that was the feeling in the Dobson camp. It does feel a bit like he was angry and took his opportunity to secure his future rather than waiting, which is fine, it's his life, but he may regret it now. I like Dobson, I'm glad he's showing more as a footballer under Jones because he's always been more than just a steam shovel, but signing that pre-contract was always a bit of a a rogue move. 
    The way he's playing at the moment I reckon a few Championship teams would be perking up and starting to view him in a new light, he might have had a few interesting options even beyond sticking with the Jones project.
    The pre contract always a rogue move. But everybody forget, that the pre contract was the answer to the colaps off the transfer. Dobson went to Budapest that days to signed his final contract, and play at Videoton, but he pulled back from there.
    Jones pulled him back, know he want to stay, but know it is too late
  • Chunes said:
    Let's not forget we had a Coach & Director of Football setup. Andy Scott was in charge of retention/recruitment and he told Dobbo that he didn't rate him. As far as Dobbo was concerned, the guy in charge didn't want him and that was the end of it.

    How was George supposed to know that they'd bring in Jones as manager and want him to stay? He didn't have a crystal ball 
    Didn’t need a crystal ball. Appleton was on very thin ice at the time and it wouldn’t be long until he was replaced and then under a new manager, who knows? Plus I still don’t understand why he didn’t wait until the summer and see what was on offer then? 

  • Wasn’t it the case that he’d signed the pre contract and then the Hungarian club came in with an offer to sign him in January. The Club agreed but then Jones came in and kiboshed the deal but he’d already signed the pre contract by then.
  • Wasn’t it the case that he’d signed the pre contract and then the Hungarian club came in with an offer to sign him in January. The Club agreed but then Jones came in and kiboshed the deal but he’d already signed the pre contract by then.
    No, before the transfer there was no pre contract.
  • No, before the transfer there was no pre contract.
    So he signed the pre contract after the permanent move fell through?
  • So he signed the pre contract after the permanent move fell through?
    Yes.
  • Nah, don't believe that, would have been daft to sign it after Jones had just basically said he wanted him.

    Makes a lot more sense the pre-contract was signed (pre-Jones) and then Charlton looked to get some money from Ferhervar for the early move.

    Looking back through the thread, Jan 24th ish seems to be the first mention of Ferhervar and puts it that way round.
    Basically Jones pulled back him at the very last minute, and that time he wasn't very happy about that. Later he played, at Jones, but when he signed the pre contract was the different situation.
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