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  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,715
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Years ago I can remember Boycott ans Alan Butcher opening for England and bringing up a 50 partnership on the stroke of lunch.
    How times change. 
    DHOTY ;-)
    Sorry Chizz 
    No idea what that means. 
    I'm casting doubt over whether that really happened.  In a gentle, joshing, not-meaning-to-be-offensive way.  I don't think they ever made a fifty partnership in Tests.  
    From memory it was Alan Butchers test debut. 

    My memory could be playing tricks though. 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,053
    281-5
    Pope c Hodge (2nd slip) b A Joseph 121
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,715
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Years ago I can remember Boycott ans Alan Butcher opening for England and bringing up a 50 partnership on the stroke of lunch.
    How times change. 
    DHOTY ;-)
    Sorry Chizz 
    No idea what that means. 
    I'm casting doubt over whether that really happened.  In a gentle, joshing, not-meaning-to-be-offensive way.  I don't think they ever made a fifty partnership in Tests.  
    From memory it was Alan Butchers test debut. 

    My memory could be playing tricks though. 
    Just googled it.
    It was a Test trial in 1976.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,348
    blackpool72 said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Years ago I can remember Boycott ans Alan Butcher opening for England and bringing up a 50 partnership on the stroke of lunch.
    How times change. 
    DHOTY ;-)
    Sorry Chizz 
    No idea what that means. 
    I'm casting doubt over whether that really happened.  In a gentle, joshing, not-meaning-to-be-offensive way.  I don't think they ever made a fifty partnership in Tests.  
    From memory it was Alan Butchers test debut. 

    My memory could be playing tricks though. 
    Just googled it.
    It was a Test trial in 1976.
    Was that a thing? How did that work, was it like an A team v B team match?
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,715
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Years ago I can remember Boycott ans Alan Butcher opening for England and bringing up a 50 partnership on the stroke of lunch.
    How times change. 
    DHOTY ;-)
    Sorry Chizz 
    No idea what that means. 
    I'm casting doubt over whether that really happened.  In a gentle, joshing, not-meaning-to-be-offensive way.  I don't think they ever made a fifty partnership in Tests.  
    From memory it was Alan Butchers test debut. 

    My memory could be playing tricks though. 
    Just googled it.
    It was a Test trial in 1976.
    Was that a thing? How did that work, was it like an A team v B team match?
    No idea mate. 
    I remember watching the match but how many Test trials were played back then I have no idea. 
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,348
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Chizz said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Years ago I can remember Boycott ans Alan Butcher opening for England and bringing up a 50 partnership on the stroke of lunch.
    How times change. 
    DHOTY ;-)
    Sorry Chizz 
    No idea what that means. 
    I'm casting doubt over whether that really happened.  In a gentle, joshing, not-meaning-to-be-offensive way.  I don't think they ever made a fifty partnership in Tests.  
    From memory it was Alan Butchers test debut. 

    My memory could be playing tricks though. 
    Just googled it.
    It was a Test trial in 1976.
    Was that a thing? How did that work, was it like an A team v B team match?
    No idea mate. 
    I remember watching the match but how many Test trials were played back then I have no idea. 
    I've often thought test trials would be a good idea, especially at the end of the season when the tour teams are being finalised. 
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,892
    blackpool72 said:
    Crawley said during the week that he's not bothered about his batting average for England. 
    Well I suggest he should be.
    He currently only averages 34 which isn’t particularly good and as soon as another Engish opener performs well in county cricket his position will not be guaranteed. 
    He only averaged 27 this time last year.

    Pope
    Stokes
    butler
    bairatow
    ali

    all not to dissimilar records

    then look at sibley
    Burns
    lees
    plus numerous others over the last decade. Crawley isn’t a Strauss or cook but he is also a lot better than many more who have opened in recent times
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,053
    edited July 2024
    342-6
    Stokes c sub B Hodge 69 (caught on the boundary slogging) 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,053
    367-7
    Smith c Holder (slogging) b Hodge 36
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,982
    Who is this Slogging?  Sounds like a good fielder?

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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,053
    Atkinson c Hodge (1st slip) b Sinclair 2
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,053
    Woakes c Holder (2nd slip) b Seales 37
    408-9
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,827
    edited July 2024
    Crawley averages 45.1 across his last 20 innings for England. 

    8 innings against Australia, 10 against India and 2 against West Indies.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,053
    Bashir c Holder (2nd slip) b A Joseph 5
    416 All Out
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,715
    Todds_right_hook said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Crawley said during the week that he's not bothered about his batting average for England. 
    Well I suggest he should be.
    He currently only averages 34 which isn’t particularly good and as soon as another Engish opener performs well in county cricket his position will not be guaranteed. 
    He only averaged 27 this time last year.

    Pope
    Stokes
    butler
    bairatow
    ali

    all not to dissimilar records

    then look at sibley
    Burns
    lees
    plus numerous others over the last decade. Crawley isn’t a Strauss or cook but he is also a lot better than many more who have opened in recent times
    Crawley 's dad is a mate of mine and there's nothing more I'd like than him having a long and successful career. 
    Having said that I still believe he has to improve his average.
  • Todds_right_hook
    Todds_right_hook Posts: 10,892
    blackpool72 said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Crawley said during the week that he's not bothered about his batting average for England. 
    Well I suggest he should be.
    He currently only averages 34 which isn’t particularly good and as soon as another Engish opener performs well in county cricket his position will not be guaranteed. 
    He only averaged 27 this time last year.

    Pope
    Stokes
    butler
    bairatow
    ali

    all not to dissimilar records

    then look at sibley
    Burns
    lees
    plus numerous others over the last decade. Crawley isn’t a Strauss or cook but he is also a lot better than many more who have opened in recent times
    Crawley 's dad is a mate of mine and there's nothing more I'd like than him having a long and successful career. 
    Having said that I still believe he has to improve his average.
    Yep, he does. 34 isn’t great but his average is increasing
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,715
    Todds_right_hook said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Todds_right_hook said:
    blackpool72 said:
    Crawley said during the week that he's not bothered about his batting average for England. 
    Well I suggest he should be.
    He currently only averages 34 which isn’t particularly good and as soon as another Engish opener performs well in county cricket his position will not be guaranteed. 
    He only averaged 27 this time last year.

    Pope
    Stokes
    butler
    bairatow
    ali

    all not to dissimilar records

    then look at sibley
    Burns
    lees
    plus numerous others over the last decade. Crawley isn’t a Strauss or cook but he is also a lot better than many more who have opened in recent times
    Crawley 's dad is a mate of mine and there's nothing more I'd like than him having a long and successful career. 
    Having said that I still believe he has to improve his average.
    Yep, he does. 34 isn’t great but his average is increasing
    Just like my waist. 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,955
    Not been following today's play, but is England's 416 in a day a sensational bit of Bazball batting, or have England left runs out there by being too cavalier?

    Not an issue in this series, but if we are to win the Ashes down under, we'll need scores of 500 plus.
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,982
    killerandflash said:
    Not been following today's play, but is England's 416 in a day a sensational bit of Bazball batting, or have England left runs out there by being too cavalier?
    Bit of both, and leaning towards the latter.
  • golfaddick
    golfaddick Posts: 33,717
    killerandflash said:
    Not been following today's play, but is England's 416 in a day a sensational bit of Bazball batting, or have England left runs out there by being too cavalier?

    Not an issue in this series, but if we are to win the Ashes down under, we'll need scores of 500 plus.
    Could have gone either way. Windies dropped a number of catches & 2 missed stumping. Stokes & Brook were guilty of giving their wickets away. Could have been all out for 300 or 450 for 6 at close.

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  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,053
    WI 140-3   41 overs
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,385
    Bouncer tactics are so dumb and horrible to watch 
  • Billy_Mix
    Billy_Mix Posts: 2,713
    Covered End said:
    Bashir c Holder (2nd slip) b A Joseph 5
    416 All Out
    Take into account how awful the WI fielding and catching were, that score's about 150 light of where England should have got to on an absolute road against moderate bowling.
    All too familiar story of bazball = freedom to toss your wicket away in the lamest possible fashion.  Zak got a decent ball, Bashir's a proper no.11, Pope can be excused but the rest of them tossed it away.
    WI's batting resources aren't too threatening but they'll be confident of avoiding the follow on and coasting into no worse than a draw with the expected rain interruptions to come.
    England's position at the bottom of the test championship is the true measure of the Stokes/McCullum "project."
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,348
    Billy_Mix said:
    Covered End said:
    Bashir c Holder (2nd slip) b A Joseph 5
    416 All Out
    Take into account how awful the WI fielding and catching were, that score's about 150 light of where England should have got to on an absolute road against moderate bowling.
    All too familiar story of bazball = freedom to toss your wicket away in the lamest possible fashion.  Zak got a decent ball, Bashir's a proper no.11, Pope can be excused but the rest of them tossed it away.
    WI's batting resources aren't too threatening but they'll be confident of avoiding the follow on and coasting into no worse than a draw with the expected rain interruptions to come.
    England's position at the bottom of the test championship is the true measure of the Stokes/McCullum "project."
    For the avoidance of any doubt, do you mean, by your final sentence, that you consider England to be the worst team in the world? 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,955
    killerandflash said:
    Not been following today's play, but is England's 416 in a day a sensational bit of Bazball batting, or have England left runs out there by being too cavalier?

    Not an issue in this series, but if we are to win the Ashes down under, we'll need scores of 500 plus.

    I think today's scorecard answers my question.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,385
    Life after Jimmy suddenly looking a bit daunting 
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 52,053
    305-5
    Hodge lbw Woakes 120
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,385
    Played Leuth
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,883
    edited July 2024
    killerandflash said:
    killerandflash said:
    Not been following today's play, but is England's 416 in a day a sensational bit of Bazball batting, or have England left runs out there by being too cavalier?

    Not an issue in this series, but if we are to win the Ashes down under, we'll need scores of 500 plus.

    I think today's scorecard answers my question.

    We did it in the first Test too. In our two Innings, 8 players have reached 50 (11 got to 36) and only one of them have turned that into a ton. On docile tracks, that isn't good enough. As you suggest, getting a quick 375-400 all out against Australia in a day and we will end up doing what we did before - giving them enough time to score sufficient runs to take the game away from us. West Indies have finished on 351-5 and just 65 behind with three days to go. If they can do that, then Australia can too. Better too. We should also remember the other by-product of us scoring quickly for not that great a score - our bowlers having to be in the middle for longer with little respite. Over the course of a Series that does mount up. 



     
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,955
    Addick Addict said:
    killerandflash said:
    killerandflash said:
    Not been following today's play, but is England's 416 in a day a sensational bit of Bazball batting, or have England left runs out there by being too cavalier?

    Not an issue in this series, but if we are to win the Ashes down under, we'll need scores of 500 plus.

    I think today's scorecard answers my question.

    We did it in the first Test too. In our two Innings, 8 players have reached 50 (11 got to 36) and only one of them have turned that into a ton. On docile tracks, that isn't good enough. As you suggest, getting a quick 375-400 all out against Australia in a day and we will end up doing what we did before - giving them enough time to score sufficient runs to take the game away from us. West Indies have finished on 351-5 and just 65 behind with three days to go. If they can do that, then Australia can too. Better too. We should also remember the other by-product of us scoring quickly for not that great a score - our bowlers having to be in the middle for longer with little respite. Over the course of a Series that does mount up. 



     
    And with their better bowling and catching, we wouldn't made 400 against Australia anyway. An exciting 320 batting first won't win many games down under.

    It's good for the series that we have a contest in this match, but if England are serious about winning the World Test Championship, then these are the sorts of opponents we need to really pummel. 

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