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Gassan Ahadme - Aug 2025 gone on a season long loan to Stevenage

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  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    I think it's unfair to beat down Ahadme due to the transfer fee, especially as I don't believe anyone actually knows the true figure we have currently paid for him.
    It does feel like some are judging him as if we paid £1m. I’d be very surprised if we paid they much up front but it makes sense that it could get to around that number based on clauses.
  • It will never surprise me the capacity of fans to completely write off, or overestimate, a player based on very limited playing time.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,359
    edited August 2024
    Scoham said:
    I think it's unfair to beat down Ahadme due to the transfer fee, especially as I don't believe anyone actually knows the true figure we have currently paid for him.
    It does feel like some are judging him as if we paid £1m. I’d be very surprised if we paid they much up front but it makes sense that it could get to around that number based on clauses.
    Still seems like a lot of money either way, even if some is made up of clauses. 
  • I think it's unfair to beat down Ahadme due to the transfer fee, especially as I don't believe anyone actually knows the true figure we have currently paid for him.
    I mean its not like Adahme was involved in ensuring it was 1m (or whatever) either
  • se9addick said:
    Chunes said:
    The issue for me is that he's a £1 million target man, but hit the ball up to him, and it doesn't stick.

    I don't think it requires much more analysis than that. 

    He was against Leyton Orient CBs today. Not sure what hope he'll have against Santos next week.

    Compare to when Chuks came on. Suddenly those long balls were sticking. 

    If we'd got him on a free i'd say decent business, guy works hard and while he might not have a striker's instinct, he gets in defenders faces. But we've paid top dollar for this league and he just doesn't seem worth it. 
    Surely we didn’t pay £1M for him?

    Was LargeAddick said:
    I bet we have paid nowhere near 1m.
    Was reported in a few places, so assume it was leaked somewhere and has some substance to it, but I strongly suspect it's not £1m upfront, and a good portion of it is 'if he scores 20, if we go up' etc.

    Personally think he cost less upfront than we paid for May and we put some of that towards Godden - can see the timelines amd "logic" on the part of Methven/Scott etc of basically May's fee paying for Ahadme and a cheap May replacement.
  • crookester
    crookester Posts: 1,331
    Deffo improvement from last weeks abysmal shit by Ahadne but not amazing but who realistically can be with the attacking nothingness that we show , a work in progress 
    Watch the game .. Watch his movement without the ball , his work rate .. in both games he given 110% on closing down harassing defenders and winning flick ons .. without much reward he been excellent in both games …. unfortunately he had Campbell with him who does not read the game very well and dies not work as hard .. 
    Why has this been "lol"-ed? A perfectly valid opinion, even if you disagree with it.
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,509
    I think it's unfair to beat down Ahadme due to the transfer fee, especially as I don't believe anyone actually knows the true figure we have currently paid   

    The whole deal worth 1.2 mill 
  • RonnieMoore
    RonnieMoore Posts: 4,509
    So we’ve decided our pants have been pulled down based on 150 mins of football when it’s still mid August…..okay!

    I remember Jason euell and Alfie may, probably lots in between all making slow starts!


    Took May 4 games to score his first goal and that was a pen .. doubt Ahadme will
    be the pen taker that will be Godden 

  • stoneroses19
    stoneroses19 Posts: 7,224
    I think it's unfair to beat down Ahadme due to the transfer fee, especially as I don't believe anyone actually knows the true figure we have currently paid for him.
    I mean its not like Adahme was involved in ensuring it was 1m (or whatever) either
    Not sure about that mate. Remember, it's all Fraser's fault for his current wage 😉 
  • JaShea99
    JaShea99 Posts: 5,461
    Deffo improvement from last weeks abysmal shit by Ahadne but not amazing but who realistically can be with the attacking nothingness that we show , a work in progress 
    Watch the game .. Watch his movement without the ball , his work rate .. in both games he given 110% on closing down harassing defenders and winning flick ons .. without much reward he been excellent in both games …. unfortunately he had Campbell with him who does not read the game very well and dies not work as hard .. 
    Why has this been "lol"-ed? A perfectly valid opinion, even if you disagree with it.
    110% maybe?

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  • Dazzler21
    Dazzler21 Posts: 51,360
    A reminder on Alfie's start last season: 

  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,302
    Dazzler21 said:
    A reminder on Alfie's start last season: 

    Don’t think we should be judging Ahadme that harshly on goals. Think he struggled to hold the ball up yesterday but he must have done a lot of work that tired their defence out and made things easier for us later on. If he can tire them out each week then that just increases Chuks impact 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,367
    I don't think his price tag will do him many favours, as he will have a lot of expectation on his shoulders. 

    I had heard mixed reviews about him before he signed, so I'm still reserving judgement for a while.

    So far, he seems weaker than I expected, I thought he would be a proper bully. There's no doubt he puts a shift in, but he doesn't look anywhere near as strong as Chuks for example. Hoping that's just rust though and that side of his game will come back.

    Lastly, service. There's no denying how poor some of our crossing was yesterday and final balls in general, he would definitely benefit more with a proper marksman feeding him. Our coaches need to do some serious work on dead ball deliveries and our crosses, some of the worst I've seen so far. 

    Good luck to him though, he seems a good character.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,788
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,359
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
    To be worth 1m in a Nathan Jones team, he'll have to be excellent at winning the ball when it's played up early. 
  • I reckon we paid about £350k up front with add ons for promotion, and other yet or never to be attained markers, eventually reaching a million when Charlton win the World Cup. 
  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,386
    Should remember he’s only 23, he’s young enough to improve and I think he will.
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,004
    edited August 2024
    Chunes said:
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
    To be worth 1m in a Nathan Jones team, he'll have to be excellent at winning the ball when it's played up early. 
    I don't think he's doing too badly at that bit, what he doesn't do very well is keep the ball and hold play up. He likes to move it on quickly and pass around the corner or lay it off... unfortunately TC is not on that wavelength yet. FWIW I think both are individually good, just not clicking as a pair.
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,359
    thenewbie said:
    Chunes said:
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
    To be worth 1m in a Nathan Jones team, he'll have to be excellent at winning the ball when it's played up early. 
    I don't think he's doing too badly at that bit, what he doesn't do very well is keep the ball and hold play up. He likes to move it on quickly and pass around the corner or lay it off... unfortunately TC is not on that wavelength yet. FWIW I think both are individually good, just not clicking as a pair.
    I wouldn't say he's doing too badly either, but he's not been excellent at it. 
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,788
    Chunes said:
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
    To be worth 1m in a Nathan Jones team, he'll have to be excellent at winning the ball when it's played up early. 
    Third most aerial duels contested and third most aerials duels won among strikers in League One this weekend (1st: Clarke-Harris, 2nd: Ollie Palmer).

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  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,302
    Chunes said:
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
    To be worth 1m in a Nathan Jones team, he'll have to be excellent at winning the ball when it's played up early. 
    Third most aerial duels contested and third most aerials duels won among strikers in League One this weekend (1st: Clarke-Harris, 2nd: Ollie Palmer).
    Does winning a duel mean he’s headed it and we’ve retained possession though? That was the difference between him and Aneke yesterday. Ahadme made first contact plenty of times but he didn’t find a teammate on quite a few of them even with Berry in particular making some good off the ball runs around him that Aneke might have found. When Aneke was on it felt like we retained the ball off our long balls to the big man more often 

    I do think comparing him to Aneke is unfair though, Aneke coming on as a sub is better at holding the ball up than pretty much anyone at this level. Can’t really expect Ahadme to be that good

    I actually think the judgement on whether he’s worth the fee is if he can stay fit, as not having to start Leaburn (regularly) or Aneke (at all) will be huge 
  • I don't think his price tag will do him many favours, as he will have a lot of expectation on his shoulders. 

    I had heard mixed reviews about him before he signed, so I'm still reserving judgement for a while.

    So far, he seems weaker than I expected, I thought he would be a proper bully. There's no doubt he puts a shift in, but he doesn't look anywhere near as strong as Chuks for example. Hoping that's just rust though and that side of his game will come back.

    Lastly, service. There's no denying how poor some of our crossing was yesterday and final balls in general, he would definitely benefit more with a proper marksman feeding him. Our coaches need to do some serious work on dead ball deliveries and our crosses, some of the worst I've seen so far. 

    Good luck to him though, he seems a good character.
    Or the fact he came in when May left.

    If he was coming in to replace Bonne or something he'd have been judged less harshly.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,205
    NabySarr said:
    Chunes said:
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
    To be worth 1m in a Nathan Jones team, he'll have to be excellent at winning the ball when it's played up early. 
    Third most aerial duels contested and third most aerials duels won among strikers in League One this weekend (1st: Clarke-Harris, 2nd: Ollie Palmer).
    Does winning a duel mean he’s headed it and we’ve retained possession though? That was the difference between him and Aneke yesterday. Ahadme made first contact plenty of times but he didn’t find a teammate on quite a few of them even with Berry in particular making some good off the ball runs around him that Aneke might have found. When Aneke was on it felt like we retained the ball off our long balls to the big man more often 

    I do think comparing him to Aneke is unfair though, Aneke coming on as a sub is better at holding the ball up than pretty much anyone at this level. Can’t really expect Ahadme to be that good

    I actually think the judgement on whether he’s worth the fee is if he can stay fit, as not having to start Leaburn (regularly) or Aneke (at all) will be huge 
    Aneke was also playing up front with Godden who knows instinctively where to position himself which TC doesn’t (yet). 
  • DubaiCAFC
    DubaiCAFC Posts: 2,461
    Don’t get the stick.. from what I have seen, he is pretty strong, quick, pain to play against.. few of his knockdowns haven’t come off as of yet, but it is early days.. he will get in to double figures this season that’s for sure!

    in other news, Leaburn should get the go ahead to resume full training this week. 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,302
    fenaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Chunes said:
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
    To be worth 1m in a Nathan Jones team, he'll have to be excellent at winning the ball when it's played up early. 
    Third most aerial duels contested and third most aerials duels won among strikers in League One this weekend (1st: Clarke-Harris, 2nd: Ollie Palmer).
    Does winning a duel mean he’s headed it and we’ve retained possession though? That was the difference between him and Aneke yesterday. Ahadme made first contact plenty of times but he didn’t find a teammate on quite a few of them even with Berry in particular making some good off the ball runs around him that Aneke might have found. When Aneke was on it felt like we retained the ball off our long balls to the big man more often 

    I do think comparing him to Aneke is unfair though, Aneke coming on as a sub is better at holding the ball up than pretty much anyone at this level. Can’t really expect Ahadme to be that good

    I actually think the judgement on whether he’s worth the fee is if he can stay fit, as not having to start Leaburn (regularly) or Aneke (at all) will be huge 
    Aneke was also playing up front with Godden who knows instinctively where to position himself which TC doesn’t (yet). 
    I don’t recall many Aneke - Godden knockdowns, other than maybe the one they combined on before Aneke’s huge touch. 

    Berry and Docherty know where to be but Ahadme couldn’t find them well enough. I think it’s simply a strength thing, Aneke holds off the defender more easily so they don’t mess with his header as much. But as I said comparing him to Aneke is not fair, not many are nearly as strong 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,205
    NabySarr said:
    fenaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Chunes said:
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
    To be worth 1m in a Nathan Jones team, he'll have to be excellent at winning the ball when it's played up early. 
    Third most aerial duels contested and third most aerials duels won among strikers in League One this weekend (1st: Clarke-Harris, 2nd: Ollie Palmer).
    Does winning a duel mean he’s headed it and we’ve retained possession though? That was the difference between him and Aneke yesterday. Ahadme made first contact plenty of times but he didn’t find a teammate on quite a few of them even with Berry in particular making some good off the ball runs around him that Aneke might have found. When Aneke was on it felt like we retained the ball off our long balls to the big man more often 

    I do think comparing him to Aneke is unfair though, Aneke coming on as a sub is better at holding the ball up than pretty much anyone at this level. Can’t really expect Ahadme to be that good

    I actually think the judgement on whether he’s worth the fee is if he can stay fit, as not having to start Leaburn (regularly) or Aneke (at all) will be huge 
    Aneke was also playing up front with Godden who knows instinctively where to position himself which TC doesn’t (yet). 
    I don’t recall many Aneke - Godden knockdowns, other than maybe the one they combined on before Aneke’s huge touch. 

    Berry and Docherty know where to be but Ahadme couldn’t find them well enough. I think it’s simply a strength thing, Aneke holds off the defender more easily so they don’t mess with his header as much. But as I said comparing him to Aneke is not fair, not many are nearly as strong 
    They were mainly flick on’s, Godden was running past Aneke which TC just doesn’t do
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,813
    Aneke is coming on against tiring defenders with 15 to go, no comparison to what Ahadme is doing alone 
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,359
    edited August 2024
    DubaiCAFC said:
    Don’t get the stick.. from what I have seen, he is pretty strong, quick, pain to play against.. few of his knockdowns haven’t come off as of yet, but it is early days.. he will get in to double figures this season that’s for sure!

    in other news, Leaburn should get the go ahead to resume full training this week. 
    Failing to even score 10 goals would be a travesty so I'm not sure that's saying too much.

    I hope there's a lot more to come from him. I'm particularly hoping to see some of that purported swagger and arrogance because at the moment he looks a bit jumpy.
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,302
    fenaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    fenaddick said:
    NabySarr said:
    Chunes said:
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
    To be worth 1m in a Nathan Jones team, he'll have to be excellent at winning the ball when it's played up early. 
    Third most aerial duels contested and third most aerials duels won among strikers in League One this weekend (1st: Clarke-Harris, 2nd: Ollie Palmer).
    Does winning a duel mean he’s headed it and we’ve retained possession though? That was the difference between him and Aneke yesterday. Ahadme made first contact plenty of times but he didn’t find a teammate on quite a few of them even with Berry in particular making some good off the ball runs around him that Aneke might have found. When Aneke was on it felt like we retained the ball off our long balls to the big man more often 

    I do think comparing him to Aneke is unfair though, Aneke coming on as a sub is better at holding the ball up than pretty much anyone at this level. Can’t really expect Ahadme to be that good

    I actually think the judgement on whether he’s worth the fee is if he can stay fit, as not having to start Leaburn (regularly) or Aneke (at all) will be huge 
    Aneke was also playing up front with Godden who knows instinctively where to position himself which TC doesn’t (yet). 
    I don’t recall many Aneke - Godden knockdowns, other than maybe the one they combined on before Aneke’s huge touch. 

    Berry and Docherty know where to be but Ahadme couldn’t find them well enough. I think it’s simply a strength thing, Aneke holds off the defender more easily so they don’t mess with his header as much. But as I said comparing him to Aneke is not fair, not many are nearly as strong 
    They were mainly flick on’s, Godden was running past Aneke which TC just doesn’t do
    Yes you are right, I do remember now. Still think Ahadme could have done better with finding the midfield runners which is how we ended up scoring the winner. 

    Think Campbell probably starts next week then Godden comes in from then on 
  • cafc_se7
    cafc_se7 Posts: 2,277
    thenewbie said:
    Chunes said:
    Instead of asking if he’s a £1m player, the question needs to be “is he worth £1m to a Nathan Jones team?” and I think the answer to that question is much more likely to be yes.

    He works his nuts off in training, he doesn’t shirk any battles on the pitch. He’ll look like a non-league player in the wrong team and system. But for a Nathan Jones team that wants to get the ball forward as early and as often as possible, he fits in really nicely and will be a key part of the squad.
    To be worth 1m in a Nathan Jones team, he'll have to be excellent at winning the ball when it's played up early. 
    I don't think he's doing too badly at that bit, what he doesn't do very well is keep the ball and hold play up. He likes to move it on quickly and pass around the corner or lay it off... unfortunately TC is not on that wavelength yet. FWIW I think both are individually good, just not clicking as a pair.
    Really? It baffles me what games people are watching sometimes? 

    I am adamant he held the ball up and laid it off at least 5 times in the first half yesterday let alone in the whole game. 

    He also wins a lot of headers which is something we haven’t had from a striker in years!