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  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,956
    Watching the highlights, quite an old school run chase that. All about getting the win, whereas early in the Bazball era it was more about the entertainment.

    Going forward, I wonder if Pope's place could come under pressure. If Smith struggles with the gloves in the sub continent, he'll keep his place as a batsman, indeed he could move to No 3.
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,348
    Josh Hull has been called up into the squad as cover.  That's a very McCullum-Key selection, probably with the Ashes tour in mind.  He's only 20, but a 6ft 7in fast left-hander is a great option to have. 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,087
    Josh Hull called into the squad to replace Mark Wood. Another one of Key's left field picks - 6ft 7 left arm seamer from Leicestershire. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,386
    "probably with the Ashes tour in mind" 

    The current mentality seems to be that everything that isn't the Ashes is a warm-up. And that being a good bowler is secondary to being a tall and quickish bowler 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,087
    What's Sam Cook or Jamie Porter done wrong? Hull just seems completely vibes based as a pick. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,389
    Last vibes based pick was Smith and he’s done well, before that it was Bashir. Plus if a 20
    year old is good enough to actually play well then he could be in the squad for a decade which would be great
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,348
    MarcusH26 said:
    What's Sam Cook or Jamie Porter done wrong? Hull just seems completely vibes based as a pick. 
    I suppose the argument would be that they both made the mistake of being born in the wrong century.  
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,386
    fenaddick said:
    Last vibes based pick was Smith and he’s done well, before that it was Bashir. Plus if a 20
    year old is good enough to actually play well then he could be in the squad for a decade which would be great
    Smith was NOT a vibes based pick for fuck's sake

    I actually called Bashir as a bolter (search his name on here) based on seeing his stuff and England having no good spinners
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,956
    Agreed, Smith was a clear batting star, whereas Hull is much more of a punt. Smith is 24 too, not 20.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,956
    15 wickets in 9 first class matches at 58...

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  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,389
    Smith at WK is the vibes element, there was never any question about his batting though that’s true 
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,725
    killerandflash said:
    15 wickets in 9 first class matches at 58...
    Bashir had a similar record before India. They seem to have a very track record for picking on ability and ceiling. Can’t imagine Hull will play in any case, I expect Stone will come into the side 
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,956
    Interesting that Sam Curran is playing the current county game. An attempt to get back in the Test team?
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,899
    MarcusH26 said:
    What's Sam Cook or Jamie Porter done wrong? Hull just seems completely vibes based as a pick. 
    Jamie too old now and lost bit of pace. 

    Sam Cook can feel aggrieved though. 
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,671
    fenaddick said:
    Last vibes based pick was Smith and he’s done well, before that it was Bashir. Plus if a 20
    year old is good enough to actually play well then he could be in the squad for a decade which would be great
    My natural instinct would be to select a more established performer.

    That said James Anderson had not played much first class cricket prior to playing for England and look what he went on to do.
  • LenGlover
    LenGlover Posts: 31,671
    MrOneLung said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    What's Sam Cook or Jamie Porter done wrong? Hull just seems completely vibes based as a pick. 
    Jamie too old now and lost bit of pace. 

    Sam Cook can feel aggrieved though. 
    Isn't Jamie injured anyway at the moment?
  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,348
    LenGlover said:
    fenaddick said:
    Last vibes based pick was Smith and he’s done well, before that it was Bashir. Plus if a 20
    year old is good enough to actually play well then he could be in the squad for a decade which would be great
    My natural instinct would be to select a more established performer.

    That said James Anderson had not played much first class cricket prior to playing for England and look what he went on to do.
    Anderson had only played three one-day games before he was picked to play his first ODI for England. Hull has played nine FC games.  
  • MrOneLung
    MrOneLung Posts: 26,899
    LenGlover said:
    MrOneLung said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    What's Sam Cook or Jamie Porter done wrong? Hull just seems completely vibes based as a pick. 
    Jamie too old now and lost bit of pace. 

    Sam Cook can feel aggrieved though. 
    Isn't Jamie injured anyway at the moment?
    He is back Len. Had broken finger and 6cm tear in abductor muscle

    Played last two 50 over matches and in this round of county championship 
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,087

    England Men's squads announced for Vitality IT20s and Metro Bank ODIs against Australia

    The England Men's selection panel has announced the squads for the upcoming Vitality IT20 series and the Metro Bank ODI series against Australia, set to begin next month.

    The three-match Vitality IT20 series will kick off at the Utilita Bowl, Southampton, on 11 September 2024. Following this, England will play five Metro Bank ODIs, starting at Trent Bridge on 19 September.

    England Men's IT20 Squad:

    Jos Buttler (Lancashire) - Captain
    Jofra Archer (Sussex)
    Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire)
    Brydon Carse (Durham)
    Jordan Cox (Essex)
    Sam Curran (Surrey)
    Josh Hull (Leicestershire)
    Will Jacks (Surrey)
    Liam Livingstone (Lancashire)
    Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire)
    Dan Mousley (Warwickshire)
    Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
    Phil Salt (Lancashire)
    Reece Topley (Surrey)
    John Turner (Hampshire)

    England Men's ODI Squad:

    Jos Buttler (Lancashire) - Captain
    Jofra Archer (Sussex)
    Gus Atkinson (Surrey)
    Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire)
    Harry Brook (Yorkshire)
    Brydon Carse (Durham)
    Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire)
    Josh Hull (Leicestershire)
    Will Jacks (Surrey)
    Matthew Potts (Durham)
    Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
    Phil Salt (Lancashire)
    Jamie Smith (Surrey)
    Reece Topley (Surrey)
    John Turner (Hampshire)
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,956
    No Bairstow or Moeen. Bairstow still has another year on his central contract 

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  • Chizz
    Chizz Posts: 28,348
    England have just won their fourth straight Test match, easing past Sri Lanka, following a 3-0 drubbing of the West Indies.  So, it's time for... Guess the Headline in the Sydney Morning Herald! 

    Did Smith demonstrating he's a more on-form batter than Smith make the headline?  Did Wood's injury result in "England Winning Despite Being Without Super Speedster"? Did "Stoke Crisis Saved By Pope" register on the subeditor's consciousness?  

    What do you think they went with? 

    This... 

    Same Old England, Always Swapping: Ashes-style ball change skittles Sri Lanka


  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,389
    I mean to be fair to them the ball change was pretty significant
  • Pelling1993
    Pelling1993 Posts: 6,725
    MarcusH26 said:

    England Men's squads announced for Vitality IT20s and Metro Bank ODIs against Australia

    The England Men's selection panel has announced the squads for the upcoming Vitality IT20 series and the Metro Bank ODI series against Australia, set to begin next month.

    The three-match Vitality IT20 series will kick off at the Utilita Bowl, Southampton, on 11 September 2024. Following this, England will play five Metro Bank ODIs, starting at Trent Bridge on 19 September.

    England Men's IT20 Squad:

    Jos Buttler (Lancashire) - Captain
    Jofra Archer (Sussex)
    Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire)
    Brydon Carse (Durham)
    Jordan Cox (Essex)
    Sam Curran (Surrey)
    Josh Hull (Leicestershire)
    Will Jacks (Surrey)
    Liam Livingstone (Lancashire)
    Saqib Mahmood (Lancashire)
    Dan Mousley (Warwickshire)
    Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
    Phil Salt (Lancashire)
    Reece Topley (Surrey)
    John Turner (Hampshire)

    England Men's ODI Squad:

    Jos Buttler (Lancashire) - Captain
    Jofra Archer (Sussex)
    Gus Atkinson (Surrey)
    Jacob Bethell (Warwickshire)
    Harry Brook (Yorkshire)
    Brydon Carse (Durham)
    Ben Duckett (Nottinghamshire)
    Josh Hull (Leicestershire)
    Will Jacks (Surrey)
    Matthew Potts (Durham)
    Adil Rashid (Yorkshire)
    Phil Salt (Lancashire)
    Jamie Smith (Surrey)
    Reece Topley (Surrey)
    John Turner (Hampshire)
    Absolutely bizarre to not pick Sam Hain in the ODI squad
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,087
    Brydon Carse coming straight back in from a gambling ban is a bit of a weird one. 
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,982
    MarcusH26 said:
    Brydon Carse coming straight back in from a gambling ban is a bit of a weird one. 
    Another example of them really wanting to prioritise pace at the moment.
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,087
    edited August 2024
    North Lower Neil said:
    MarcusH26 said:
    Brydon Carse coming straight back in from a gambling ban is a bit of a weird one. 
    Another example of them really wanting to prioritise pace at the moment.
    It is an out and out pace attack with Carse, Archer,Mahmood,Turner, Atkinson and Hull all there. 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,386
    Just incredibly boneheaded on all levels tbh
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,956
    MarcusH26 said:
    Brydon Carse coming straight back in from a gambling ban is a bit of a weird one. 
    You would have got good odds on that happening...
  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,087
    Leuth said:
    Just incredibly boneheaded on all levels tbh

    Luke Wright is one of my favourite players of all time but Luke Wright the selector confuses me. 

    Did expect James Coles to feature but I guess they've gone Mousley instead.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,956
    Joe Root surely should be in the ODI squad too

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