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POST-MATCH THREAD: Charlton Athletic v Rotherham Utd: Saturday 7th September 2024 | KO 15:00
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Better in flashes, his crossing in the first half was a sign of the player we had last seasoncharltonman2016 said:What are people's thoughts on Thierry Small at the moment. For me he seems to be really off of his game and not at the levels he was producing last season. Thought he was poor today.4 -
Anyone would have happily taken 10 points from 5 games, especially given the 5 teams they were against. Yes the football isn’t the most exciting but we were deservedly 16th last season, it’s not going to be an overnight thing to get the team to where it needs to be to challenge for promotion.7
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Thought that was Apples at first glancefenaddick said:6 -
There are pros and cons to every approach.limeygent said:It seems that the Nathan Jones style of play is the most well known throughout the league. Not hard to scout or defend against if you always know how your opponent is going to play.
Having a set way of playing means everyone knows their role which is quite helpful when the players are of third tier quality.1 -
How long do you continue with him in goal? 3 long shots on target ,3 goals.Dazzler21 said:
Do be serious, AMB couldn't catch a cold, even in the warm ups.guinnessaddick said:
I’m not convinced by him, AMB would have saved a couple of those shots. He hasn’t had a save to make, but shots from outside the box go in.limeygent said:
Would it be the goalkeeping?sirjohnhumphrey said:If you keep conceding ‘worldies’ then there is something wrong with how you’re defending.0 -
Potts I think he sees in place of Gillesphey.fenaddick said:
Wonder who the six potential starters were? A Campbell is the only one I can thinkEdwards 100pc over Small
Leaburn
Allan Campbell
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Reminds me of how people felt about Amos, and we replaced him with MacGillivrayguinnessaddick said:
How long do you continue with him in goal? 3 long shots on target ,3 goals.Dazzler21 said:
Do be serious, AMB couldn't catch a cold, even in the warm ups.guinnessaddick said:
I’m not convinced by him, AMB would have saved a couple of those shots. He hasn’t had a save to make, but shots from outside the box go in.limeygent said:
Would it be the goalkeeping?sirjohnhumphrey said:If you keep conceding ‘worldies’ then there is something wrong with how you’re defending.5 -
that just isn’t true, Rotherham had 4 shots on target today and Mannion made at least one pretty good save with his legsguinnessaddick said:
How long do you continue with him in goal? 3 long shots on target ,3 goals.Dazzler21 said:
Do be serious, AMB couldn't catch a cold, even in the warm ups.guinnessaddick said:
I’m not convinced by him, AMB would have saved a couple of those shots. He hasn’t had a save to make, but shots from outside the box go in.limeygent said:
Would it be the goalkeeping?sirjohnhumphrey said:If you keep conceding ‘worldies’ then there is something wrong with how you’re defending.14 -
A point was a fair reflection of the game.
- Excellent strike by Chuks, and if you watch a replay, the chance was created by TC's new found strength to keep the ball active.
- Ahadme - Some good knockdowns but that miss was dreadful. I believe he changed his boots at half time too, as that was clearly needed. There's something there.
- Ramsay looks excellent, but I'm happy to keep that quiet. He has tenacity and plays with "soft feet". Would love to see Edwards on the other side. Small is very erratic.
- We really need to be clinical for our setup to work. I do feel that a Kanu from last season might have buried one or two this season, but always easy to say.10 -
Not just today, I’ve not seen him make a great save yet. B’ham, Reading & today, 3 long shots and 3 goals.fenaddick said:
that just isn’t true, Rotherham had 4 shots on target today and Mannion made at least one pretty good save with his legsguinnessaddick said:
How long do you continue with him in goal? 3 long shots on target ,3 goals.Dazzler21 said:
Do be serious, AMB couldn't catch a cold, even in the warm ups.guinnessaddick said:
I’m not convinced by him, AMB would have saved a couple of those shots. He hasn’t had a save to make, but shots from outside the box go in.limeygent said:
Would it be the goalkeeping?sirjohnhumphrey said:If you keep conceding ‘worldies’ then there is something wrong with how you’re defending.2 -
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Supported the club through thick and thin and thin and thin for 40 years, and did something today I've never done. I left at half time because I was just bored. Don't know whether it's me or the team, but I felt no entertainment at all in that 45 minutes. Seemed like there was no attacking plan whatsoever, with no midfield support pushing up to form any sort of sustained attack. If that's what it takes to get promoted, I despair. Yes I'm excited about Leaburn coming back, but play that way and it'll make no difference. The only positive I saw was Ramsay, who was absolute class.7
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the winless run continues
no creativity whatsoever and we don’t need xG to tell us that
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that isn’t what you said though. FWIW I think he’s a solid shot stopper but won’t make worldie saves, if I was the opposition manager I’d be encouraging speculative shots from rangeguinnessaddick said:
Not just today, I’ve not seen him make a great save yet. B’ham, Reading & today, 3 long shots and 3 goals.fenaddick said:
that just isn’t true, Rotherham had 4 shots on target today and Mannion made at least one pretty good save with his legsguinnessaddick said:
How long do you continue with him in goal? 3 long shots on target ,3 goals.Dazzler21 said:
Do be serious, AMB couldn't catch a cold, even in the warm ups.guinnessaddick said:
I’m not convinced by him, AMB would have saved a couple of those shots. He hasn’t had a save to make, but shots from outside the box go in.limeygent said:
Would it be the goalkeeping?sirjohnhumphrey said:If you keep conceding ‘worldies’ then there is something wrong with how you’re defending.0 -
I really don't like the modern game from what I've witnessed this past few games.
Far too many stoppages and long delays in play.
Chucks scores a screamer, 20 minutes left to get a winner, then nothing !
5 minute stoppage for cramp. Immediately another long stoppage for subs. Gamesmanship from their keeper, they took forever to take throw it's. The Ref aided and abetted it all, completely destroyed any momentum, and killing off the game.
Very sad, the last 10 minutes of a game used to be exciting, not any more.8 -
I hope he comes good, but they didn’t give him the No.1 shirt, so there were some doubts about him.fenaddick said:
that isn’t what you said though. FWIW I think he’s a solid shot stopper but won’t make worldie saves, if I was the opposition manager I’d be encouraging speculative shots from rangeguinnessaddick said:
Not just today, I’ve not seen him make a great save yet. B’ham, Reading & today, 3 long shots and 3 goals.fenaddick said:
that just isn’t true, Rotherham had 4 shots on target today and Mannion made at least one pretty good save with his legsguinnessaddick said:
How long do you continue with him in goal? 3 long shots on target ,3 goals.Dazzler21 said:
Do be serious, AMB couldn't catch a cold, even in the warm ups.guinnessaddick said:
I’m not convinced by him, AMB would have saved a couple of those shots. He hasn’t had a save to make, but shots from outside the box go in.limeygent said:
Would it be the goalkeeping?sirjohnhumphrey said:If you keep conceding ‘worldies’ then there is something wrong with how you’re defending.3 -
They should bring it back where you could pass it back to your keeper and he could pick it up…..queensland_addick said:I really don't like the modern game from what I've witnessed this past few games.
Far too many stoppages and long delays in play.
Chucks scores a screamer, 20 minutes left to get a winner, then nothing !
5 minute stoppage for cramp. Immediately another long stoppage for subs. Gamesmanship from their keeper, they took forever to take throw it's. The Ref aided and abetted it all, completely destroyed any momentum, and killing off the game.
Very sad, the last 10 minutes of a game used to be exciting, not any more.2 -
I’m not laying the blame for the goals at Mannion. Today’s goal and the one Birmingham scored were both down to players being able to advance 15 yards without being closed down. That’s down to the outfield players not the keeper. Both were great strikes right into the corner.8
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The winless run of a grand total of 2 games???MrOneLung said:the winless run continues
no creativity whatsoever and we don’t need xG to tell us that15 -
Please tell me this is a joke. We had a lot of clear cut chances todayMrOneLung said:the winless run continues
no creativity whatsoever and we don’t need xG to tell us that4 -
Agreed - I thought he was fine today - lots of low scores due to poor crosses, I assume . He’s obviously been told to put the ball into the box - it’s not working because crosses into the box need to be perfect to reach their man these days . He’s silky and positive and looks to get forward - give me that over a Purirngton- let’s pass it back to the left centre half when we can, not try anything challenging and get an easy 7 out of 10 .ForeverAddickted said:
Better in flashes, his crossing in the first half was a sign of the player we had last seasoncharltonman2016 said:What are people's thoughts on Thierry Small at the moment. For me he seems to be really off of his game and not at the levels he was producing last season. Thought he was poor today.
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I said on the match thread at half time, reading the comments from those watching online there feels such a disparity of what’s being observed watching online to being in the stadium.Jonniesta said:Supported the club through thick and thin and thin and thin for 40 years, and did something today I've never done. I left at half time because I was just bored. Don't know whether it's me or the team, but I felt no entertainment at all in that 45 minutes. Seemed like there was no attacking plan whatsoever, with no midfield support pushing up to form any sort of sustained attack. If that's what it takes to get promoted, I despair..I don’t know if it’s the lack of movement or the amount of time the ball is bouncing around in the air etc not being so noticeable online, or you’re able to not emotionally invest yourself so much, I don’t know. I’m not criticising those not there so please don’t take it that way, it’s just an observation. The different view to what people were seeing in Ahadme online compared to everyone around me in the stand was palpable.Things picked up 2nd half and it was a fantastic goal by Chucks. But with us now having a good feel of what a good League One team looks like, I was expecting us to be better than this so far.I know we’ve only lost once, and I can’t fault the effort in any way. I’m just desperate to now get out of this league but I just can’t see how we are going to get our attacking play and midfield working in the first 2/3rds of a game.21 -
Ps. Kane Ramsey was the most clear non-scoring MOM for us I’ve seen in a long time. Excellent performance28
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He’s quality - will be a challenge to keep himAFKABartram said:Ps. Kane Ramsey was the most clear non-scoring MOM for us I’ve seen in a long time. Excellent performance4 -
A few pics from the game.
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Right messy game, I don't think anyone could argue that a draw wasn't a fair result, and it could have gone either way up to the death tbh.
Ahadme seems to be able to play some decent football, except for the part we actually took him on to do. Brilliant strike from Chuks, but how many has he, along with others, failed to put away that have generally been considered a shoe in? (not just this season). I feel like creating chances aren't really the biggest issue here, but taking them. That old chestnut "quality" is the word that springs to mind.
I know Small hasn't been on it quite as good as last season (passes/crosses are a bit more hit and miss) but it's still rare you see him lose the ball under pressure. I can't quite get why everyone seems to think he's suddenly awful?
Ramsay also excellent of course, not the first time he's dug us out of a sticky situation this season already.
I think we had a great start, and the last two games have just been a bit of a reality check. There's still a long way to go, and the potential is there I think, but it's not going to be an easy (or pretty) ride. I don't think we are going to find ourselves in the sort of nightmare we had last season though.2 -
Just can't see how we can score enough goals to get promoted playing this formation think we could put messi and Ronaldo in that formation and not score many3
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We are full of effort and endeavour and low on quality , especially in midfield . That kind of midfield would be ok if we had a lot of goal threat - if this team had Grant and Taylor up front , we would be unstoppable as they would create things for themselves and others . I’ve said it before but Jones needs to find a way to get 3 attacking players into the side , just as you might if you played 4-3-3. My suggestion would be to play Zach Mitchell on the right of the three man defence , move Alex Mitchell into the middle and play Jones on the left - this would allow ZM to step into midfield as he has the pace and the passing ability and all we would lose is Gillesphy’s long balls with his left foot - he does nothing else of note. I would then play 2 in the middle - probably Coventry and Doherty or A Campbell , and play TC plus 2 strikers - ideally Leaburn and one other . At least that would give us a bit more threat .AFKABartram said:
I said on the match thread at half time, reading the comments from those watching online there feels such a disparity of what’s being observed watching online to being in the stadium.Jonniesta said:Supported the club through thick and thin and thin and thin for 40 years, and did something today I've never done. I left at half time because I was just bored. Don't know whether it's me or the team, but I felt no entertainment at all in that 45 minutes. Seemed like there was no attacking plan whatsoever, with no midfield support pushing up to form any sort of sustained attack. If that's what it takes to get promoted, I despair..I don’t know if it’s the lack of movement or the amount of time the ball is bouncing around in the air etc not being so noticeable online, or you’re able to not emotionally invest yourself so much, I don’t know. I’m not criticising those not there so please don’t take it that way, it’s just an observation. The different view to what people were seeing in Ahadme online compared to everyone around me in the stand was palpable.Things picked up 2nd half and it was a fantastic goal by Chucks. But with us now having a good feel of what a good League One team looks like, I was expecting us to be better than this so far.I know we’ve only lost once, and I can’t fault the effort in any way. I’m just desperate to now get out of this league but I just can’t see how we are going to get our attacking play and midfield working in the first 2/3rds of a game.
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Ramsey is excellent, head & shoulders our best player.Aneke is also different class on the ball. Wish we could get more minutes out of him.I said in the pre match ‘ Draw; no major drama, but it’d increase pressure to pick up wins against Burton and (mighty) Stockport.’1
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Good to see positive from a neutral
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I think Mannion should have got to it. He seemed to dive past it rather than it going past him.sirjohnhumphrey said:If you keep conceding ‘worldies’ then there is something wrong with how you’re defending.
He has yet to make a good save in 5 games.6
