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Fan Zone plan submitted for the Valley
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Sounds like Jo is either Dutch or a Flem. I’ll say no more.stoneroses19 said:Jo van den Broek certainly isn't a fan of us or football grounds then.1 -
“We have already had a great deal of problems in the area around the football ground with antisocial behaviour and general noise and rubbish from people drinking in this area.”
Perhaps simplistic without knowing what the issues and complaints are but….don’t buy/rent a house near a 100 year old football ground?
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If I lived next to a football ground I would expect the disruption and noise associated with it on the several days a month the ground is in use.
If that football club applied for a licence to hold an outdoor event next to my garden for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week (for that is the nature of the application), then I would also object.
Even if that is not the ultimate outcome, and actual usage is ancillary to the normal matchday events, that isn't what the application requests, and therefore its absolutely correct that residents have objected.
The argument that "you chose to live next to a ground that has been there 100 years" is nonsense in the context of the application, because the application is nothing to do with the normal run of events at the football ground.
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Re your last para: think that people are more talking about the councillor saying that the actual football matches cause issues rather than anything else.SporadicAddick said:If I lived next to a football ground I would expect the disruption and noise associated with it on the several days a month the ground is in use.
If that football club applied for a licence to hold an outdoor event next to my garden for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week (for that is the nature of the application), then I would also object.
Even if that is not the ultimate outcome, and actual usage is ancillary to the normal matchday events, that isn't what the application requests, and therefore its absolutely correct that residents have objected.
The argument that "you chose to live next to a ground that has been there 100 years" is nonsense in the context of the application, because the application is nothing to do with the normal run of events at the football ground.
Reality will probably be the club had to apply this way, knowing it would then be watered down to match day only and they can apply for the odd fan day2 -
Jo van den Broek is a trustee of Greenwich Heritage Trust but has never, to my knowledge, visited the museum in her ward.
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She naps during opening hours.Henry Irving said:Jo van den Broek is a trustee of Greenwich Heritage Trust but has never, to my knowledge, visited the museum in her ward.27 -
Fair point having re-read... but the residents are absolutely correct in objecting.fenaddick said:
Re your last para: think that people are more talking about the councillor saying that the actual football matches cause issues rather than anything else.SporadicAddick said:If I lived next to a football ground I would expect the disruption and noise associated with it on the several days a month the ground is in use.
If that football club applied for a licence to hold an outdoor event next to my garden for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week (for that is the nature of the application), then I would also object.
Even if that is not the ultimate outcome, and actual usage is ancillary to the normal matchday events, that isn't what the application requests, and therefore its absolutely correct that residents have objected.
The argument that "you chose to live next to a ground that has been there 100 years" is nonsense in the context of the application, because the application is nothing to do with the normal run of events at the football ground.
Reality will probably be the club had to apply this way, knowing it would then be watered down to match day only and they can apply for the odd fan day1 -
Black leg.🧐SporadicAddick said:If I lived next to a football ground I would expect the disruption and noise associated with it on the several days a month the ground is in use.
If that football club applied for a licence to hold an outdoor event next to my garden for 12 hours a day, 7 days a week (for that is the nature of the application), then I would also object.
Even if that is not the ultimate outcome, and actual usage is ancillary to the normal matchday events, that isn't what the application requests, and therefore its absolutely correct that residents have objected.
The argument that "you chose to live next to a ground that has been there 100 years" is nonsense in the context of the application, because the application is nothing to do with the normal run of events at the football ground.0 -
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It's possibly the usual planning application policy, of applying for more than you want/suspect you can get, so that the residents are happy to agree to "only" those hours on match days.2
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Have the museum or the club invited her to a match or the museum?Henry Irving said:Jo van den Broek is a trustee of Greenwich Heritage Trust but has never, to my knowledge, visited the museum in her ward.
I find it quite weird that a community club like ours isn't being backed by a local councillor considering how much the trust does in the borough 🤔4 -
Virtually no one would want hundreds of people just behind their back garden drinking alcohol from 9am to 9.30pm, 7 days a week and that is my understanding of part of the application.3
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TBH I'd never heard of her although I do know her fellow ward councilor a little.KBslittlesis said:
Have the museum or the club invited her to a match or the museum?Henry Irving said:Jo van den Broek is a trustee of Greenwich Heritage Trust but has never, to my knowledge, visited the museum in her ward.
I find it quite weird that a community club like ours isn't being backed by a local councillor considering how much the trust does in the borough 🤔
Can't speak for the club but she might be aware of the work the trust does at Valley central1 -
From a business like ours that has a great understanding of premises licenses etc, a lot do go to a consultation meeting like the club is doing. They are all about finding a middle ground in the application to what the club wants, and whatever objections have been raised.The police have already stated what they want from it, and the club have responded no problem.
it does delay things slightly, but I’d fully expect the license to be granted6 -
We had this sort of shit when trying to get back to and redevelop The Valley.
"When you bought your house mate, did you not notice the fucking big red thing next door?" and more importantly "Was it not on the Estate Agents guff or was he or she very shifty and changed the subject when they showed you around your property?"2 -
This is not the same shit...soapy_jones said:We had this sort of shit when trying to get back to and redevelop The Valley.
"When you bought your house mate, did you not notice the fucking big red thing next door?" and more importantly "Was it not on the Estate Agents guff or was he or she very shifty and changed the subject when they showed you around your property?"
The people objecting knew they were buying a house next to a ground. They didn't buy a house next to a venue licenced to show films and serve alcohol 12 hours a day seven days a week next to their back garden.
The club ultimately doesn't want to do that, but that is what the application is for, and therefore all objections are correct.9 -
I should read the thread properly then shouldn't I?SporadicAddick said:
This is not the same shit...soapy_jones said:We had this sort of shit when trying to get back to and redevelop The Valley.
"When you bought your house mate, did you not notice the fucking big red thing next door?" and more importantly "Was it not on the Estate Agents guff or was he or she very shifty and changed the subject when they showed you around your property?"
The people objecting knew they were buying a house next to a ground. They didn't buy a house next to a venue licenced to show films and serve alcohol 12 hours a day seven days a week next to their back garden.
The club ultimately doesn't want to do that, but that is what the application is for, and therefore all objections are correct.
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Hopefully they'll reach a fair compromise. All men's and women's first team games and another, say, 15 temporary events per year. If Wasps move in then they can go back and get that expanded.0
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If I were a resident I'd be sticking to the objection, on the basis that its used on Charlton matchdays only. There's no way I'd accept any number of temporary events plus the potential for rugby games as well.BrentfordAddick said:Hopefully they'll reach a fair compromise. All men's and women's first team games and another, say, 15 temporary events per year. If Wasps move in then they can go back and get that expanded.
And that should be enough. The fan zone / cinema / bar would have tumbleweed blowing across it at any event other than a men's first team game.3 -
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This will all end in tears I can see it, is the club expecting too much and taking the locals for granted in this application, kind of looks like it...🤔0
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As Oliver Twist muttered under his breath at that important moment in his life...eastterrace6168 said:This will all end in tears I can see it, is the club expecting too much and taking the locals for granted in this application, kind of looks like it...🤔
" If you don't ask, you don't get ".2 -
Fair enough Fanny...seems like if you do ask...you still don't get...🤔Fanny Fanackapan said:
As Oliver Twist muttered under his breath at that important moment in his life...eastterrace6168 said:This will all end in tears I can see it, is the club expecting too much and taking the locals for granted in this application, kind of looks like it...🤔
" If you don't ask, you don't get ".0 -
...which is pretty much what happened, with conditions added (on-sales only, two hours before matches and one hour after)LarrysMobileBar said:From a business like ours that has a great understanding of premises licenses etc, a lot do go to a consultation meeting like the club is doing. They are all about finding a middle ground in the application to what the club wants, and whatever objections have been raised.The police have already stated what they want from it, and the club have responded no problem.
it does delay things slightly, but I’d fully expect the license to be granted
https://committees.royalgreenwich.gov.uk/mgAi.aspx?ID=1528
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- The premises shall only be used for Charlton Athletic FC first team home matches(men and women).
- The premises shall only be used for Charlton AFC fans and supporters and no away team fans shall be permitted into the premises.
So no rugger types.4 -
a summary of what was said: https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/09/24/charlton-athletic-valley-fan-zone-greenwich-council/1
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Unbelievable Jeff, she chooses to live next to a football ground and then complains that she doesn't know when games are. Perhaps it may be a good idea to find out when the games are?
- "Just one local resident spoke. Jenny Westney said she was unaware of a meeting between the club and residents, and that antisocial behaviour after matches was sometimes “unbelievable”.
“We don’t know when the games are,” she said. “A few days before you might notice a car parking notice up, if you’ve got a car and you take notice of these sorts of things. The effect on the residents is very disturbing".
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Jenny Westney said she was unaware of a meeting between the club and residents, and that antisocial behaviour after matches was sometimes “unbelievable”.InspectorSands said:a summary of what was said: https://greenwichwire.co.uk/2024/09/24/charlton-athletic-valley-fan-zone-greenwich-council/“We don’t know when the games are,” she said. “A few days before you might notice a car parking notice up, if you’ve got a car and you take notice of these sorts of things. The effect on the residents is very disturbing.
someone get Jenny a fixture list.
Plus the use of language. "Disturbing" and "unbelievable"
She goes on to say “This increase in sales of alcohol worries me and worries the residents in the area quite a lot, particularly those residents who are adjacent to the car park. I have been in their gardens myself and witnessed the sounds and the smells that are coming from this fan zone.”
The fan zone sounds more like a zoo.9 -
Children playing football in a cage and wings cooking, sounds absolutely horrific Jenny.4
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It's probably the smell of the chicken she doesn't like and we all know this was shine's idea
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