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Your thoughts after 12 games
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MrBurns said:I think we have a tendency to overhype our players (as do most fan bases) and this squad isn't as strong as last season (maybe with Mannion and A Mitchell being the only strengths). I think we're 4/5 top end league 1 players short of a promotion push. That said January is the worst time to try and bring in that type of quality without spending ridiculous fees on players and even then clubs are reluctant to part with their top players. I think without getting another solid defender, an attacking minded midfielder and a better forward we will finish mid table this season. Which would be an improvement on last season's position, which puts into context how really bad we were last season. This isn't an over night fix and we need to keep with Jones. I probably sound ridiculous saying this as it's only October but I believe we need another summer transfer window to fix this squad to stand a chance of top 6.
We are 1 point off the play offs everybody. Far too much pessimism around. Will we make top 6? Maybe, maybe not but I don't think we will be far away.
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swordfish said:North Lower Neil said:swordfish said:North Lower Neil said:Kindoncasella said:We keep sacking managers and recruiting average players and expect things to change, madness.
No investment of quality players = no promotion.
- Sold CBT to use the money to fund cheap deals for REG, Gillesphey and a signing on fee for Coventry.
- Tried to sell Dobbo in Jan.
- Sold May to pay for Adadme and Godden.
They've put in so little of their own money really.
There isn't some magic system where you can outwit others - put in their own money, we could have kept Dobson and May, and had better players than Gillesphey, Ahadme, A.Campell.
We won't go anywhere if it carries on.
I don't know why people buy a club making a loss in L1 then skimp on the playing side (whilst trying to make a bit less of a loss off the field) - all it leads to is more years making a loss in L1.
Take Ipswich for example - took them a couple of years to get it right, but they funded a promotion push, and then sold a chunk of the club for a profit.
What do the current owners get out of a few years of L1 mid table mediocrity while they lose a few million a year?
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eaststandmike said:Garrymanilow said:Milan said:We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
21/22: 23 goals
22/23: 20 goals
23/24: 23 goals
If that’s your idea of “streaky” I would love to know what you class as consistent.
In 22/23 for Cheltenham he got 1 goal in his first 7 games, got injured and came back to score 6 in his next 9, followed by 0 in 7, then 11 in 13. The season before that it was 3 in his first 17, 4 in 4, 0 in 7, a slightly insane 8 in 4, then 8 in 14 which is his most normal run. He's feast or famine across a season. This season you can't really draw too much from such a limited data set but 4 in his first 4 followed by 1 in his next 7 indicates it's probably going to happen again across the season. He'll likely get 20 goals again unless he's dropped for an extended period but it'll be in streaks across the season.4 -
If I was just to judge the 1st half performances , it would have to be the most boring football I have ever seen. We don't seem to try and win the game until the 2nd half. The midfield is the main problem , all too similar with no creativity. We will never be successful if we are rebuilding the side every summer. The best 2 players from last season being let go.2
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sam3110 said:palarsehater said:midtable again and another year festering in the 3rd division of english football another year closer to the eventual closing of the gates i would say.
weve spent 8 of the last 10 years in league 1 which is not where i think a club of our status and previous successes should be.1 -
I'm confident that once Ahadme is up and running we'll have four years of glory over the course of his contract. Promotion, Promotion, Premier League Title, Champions League win. Off to the bookies to lay some money on that dead cert right now.6
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I think we're building a squad that attempts to equal (or better) 22 teams across the season, whereas we should be building a squad that can equal or better just one - i.e. Birmingham.
The high press, high energy, high impact games are impressive when we get them right, but I wonder if they also lead to high injury rates? When Bowyer demanded this from his squad it led to the biggest injury crisis I can recall. I think we need to mix it up, great to have that energy up your sleeve, but we can't do it game after game. We need a bit more guile and a bit more craft - it don't come cheap - so better to hold onto those players that have it while you've got them.
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redman said:MrBurns said:I think we have a tendency to overhype our players (as do most fan bases) and this squad isn't as strong as last season (maybe with Mannion and A Mitchell being the only strengths). I think we're 4/5 top end league 1 players short of a promotion push. That said January is the worst time to try and bring in that type of quality without spending ridiculous fees on players and even then clubs are reluctant to part with their top players. I think without getting another solid defender, an attacking minded midfielder and a better forward we will finish mid table this season. Which would be an improvement on last season's position, which puts into context how really bad we were last season. This isn't an over night fix and we need to keep with Jones. I probably sound ridiculous saying this as it's only October but I believe we need another summer transfer window to fix this squad to stand a chance of top 6.
We are 1 point off the play offs everybody. Far too much pessimism around. Will we make top 6? Maybe, maybe not but I don't think we will be far away.5 -
Garrymanilow said:eaststandmike said:Garrymanilow said:Milan said:We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
21/22: 23 goals
22/23: 20 goals
23/24: 23 goals
If that’s your idea of “streaky” I would love to know what you class as consistent.
In 22/23 for Cheltenham he got 1 goal in his first 7 games, got injured and came back to score 6 in his next 9, followed by 0 in 7, then 11 in 13. The season before that it was 3 in his first 17, 4 in 4, 0 in 7, a slightly insane 8 in 4, then 8 in 14 which is his most normal run. He's feast or famine across a season. This season you can't really draw too much from such a limited data set but 4 in his first 4 followed by 1 in his next 7 indicates it's probably going to happen again across the season. He'll likely get 20 goals again unless he's dropped for an extended period but it'll be in streaks across the season.13 -
North Lower Neil said:swordfish said:North Lower Neil said:swordfish said:North Lower Neil said:Kindoncasella said:We keep sacking managers and recruiting average players and expect things to change, madness.
No investment of quality players = no promotion.
- Sold CBT to use the money to fund cheap deals for REG, Gillesphey and a signing on fee for Coventry.
- Tried to sell Dobbo in Jan.
- Sold May to pay for Adadme and Godden.
They've put in so little of their own money really.
There isn't some magic system where you can outwit others - put in their own money, we could have kept Dobson and May, and had better players than Gillesphey, Ahadme, A.Campell.
We won't go anywhere if it carries on.
I don't know why people buy a club making a loss in L1 then skimp on the playing side (whilst trying to make a bit less of a loss off the field) - all it leads to is more years making a loss in L1.
Take Ipswich for example - took them a couple of years to get it right, but they funded a promotion push, and then sold a chunk of the club for a profit.
What do the current owners get out of a few years of L1 mid table mediocrity while they lose a few million a year?0 -
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MrBurns said:redman said:MrBurns said:I think we have a tendency to overhype our players (as do most fan bases) and this squad isn't as strong as last season (maybe with Mannion and A Mitchell being the only strengths). I think we're 4/5 top end league 1 players short of a promotion push. That said January is the worst time to try and bring in that type of quality without spending ridiculous fees on players and even then clubs are reluctant to part with their top players. I think without getting another solid defender, an attacking minded midfielder and a better forward we will finish mid table this season. Which would be an improvement on last season's position, which puts into context how really bad we were last season. This isn't an over night fix and we need to keep with Jones. I probably sound ridiculous saying this as it's only October but I believe we need another summer transfer window to fix this squad to stand a chance of top 6.
We are 1 point off the play offs everybody. Far too much pessimism around. Will we make top 6? Maybe, maybe not but I don't think we will be far away.0 -
eaststandmike said:Garrymanilow said:eaststandmike said:Garrymanilow said:Milan said:We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
21/22: 23 goals
22/23: 20 goals
23/24: 23 goals
If that’s your idea of “streaky” I would love to know what you class as consistent.
In 22/23 for Cheltenham he got 1 goal in his first 7 games, got injured and came back to score 6 in his next 9, followed by 0 in 7, then 11 in 13. The season before that it was 3 in his first 17, 4 in 4, 0 in 7, a slightly insane 8 in 4, then 8 in 14 which is his most normal run. He's feast or famine across a season. This season you can't really draw too much from such a limited data set but 4 in his first 4 followed by 1 in his next 7 indicates it's probably going to happen again across the season. He'll likely get 20 goals again unless he's dropped for an extended period but it'll be in streaks across the season.
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Bedsaddick said:MrBurns said:redman said:MrBurns said:I think we have a tendency to overhype our players (as do most fan bases) and this squad isn't as strong as last season (maybe with Mannion and A Mitchell being the only strengths). I think we're 4/5 top end league 1 players short of a promotion push. That said January is the worst time to try and bring in that type of quality without spending ridiculous fees on players and even then clubs are reluctant to part with their top players. I think without getting another solid defender, an attacking minded midfielder and a better forward we will finish mid table this season. Which would be an improvement on last season's position, which puts into context how really bad we were last season. This isn't an over night fix and we need to keep with Jones. I probably sound ridiculous saying this as it's only October but I believe we need another summer transfer window to fix this squad to stand a chance of top 6.
We are 1 point off the play offs everybody. Far too much pessimism around. Will we make top 6? Maybe, maybe not but I don't think we will be far away.
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/97362/conor-coventry-joins-on-a-3-1-2-year-deal/p13 -
Meh0
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Work in progress….need more consistency. we’ve probably got all the materials for success. It’s just a question of putting it all together properly.0
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Very disappointed.0
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Same as I thought before start of season.
Finish between 7th and 12th.
Lack of goals will be the downfall.Not enough shared around.
Jones has no idea what his best team is.
Owners will have to dig much deeper come January, and we all know that will not happen.5 -
PWR.
So many points to play for and currently there isn't much to choose from being 5th to being 12th. But there is a bug difference in a team playing well & getting results to a team not knowing its direction & already needing to strengthen due to having a few injuries.
However, I cant see the owners giving NJ more money in January if all he is going to do is bring in more players.that have played under him.
I don't subscribe to sacking him if we are no further in January, so he is here to stay. And sadly that means more mediocrity & more powder puff displays.
He said managers live & die by their decisions so selling your top goalscorer & not adequately them (either by one player or by altering your system to incorporate others) could ultimately be his downfall.
I expect us to finish outside the play offs - somewhere between 8th & 12th.0 -
bromleyjohn said:Work in progress….need more consistency. we’ve probably got all the materials for success. It’s just a question of putting it all together properly.1
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swordfish said:North Lower Neil said:swordfish said:North Lower Neil said:swordfish said:North Lower Neil said:Kindoncasella said:We keep sacking managers and recruiting average players and expect things to change, madness.
No investment of quality players = no promotion.
- Sold CBT to use the money to fund cheap deals for REG, Gillesphey and a signing on fee for Coventry.
- Tried to sell Dobbo in Jan.
- Sold May to pay for Adadme and Godden.
They've put in so little of their own money really.
There isn't some magic system where you can outwit others - put in their own money, we could have kept Dobson and May, and had better players than Gillesphey, Ahadme, A.Campell.
We won't go anywhere if it carries on.
I don't know why people buy a club making a loss in L1 then skimp on the playing side (whilst trying to make a bit less of a loss off the field) - all it leads to is more years making a loss in L1.
Take Ipswich for example - took them a couple of years to get it right, but they funded a promotion push, and then sold a chunk of the club for a profit.
What do the current owners get out of a few years of L1 mid table mediocrity while they lose a few million a year?0 -
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I think we have to be realistic as to how far we regressed under Roland/the crooks and sandgaard.Relegation was a real possibility last season and Jones was and still is a good appointment. I am Prepared to be patient and judge what progress we have made after Jones has been here a year .if we stick with it I reckon next season is our year3
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My thoughts after 12 games?
That by and large we have a mediocre group. I keep clinging to the hope that the whole will click into a unit that far exceeds the sum of it's parts.
Nathan came in last year and resolved the most important issue by tightening up at the back and making us difficult to beat.
I hoped the recruitment would supplement this by making us a potent attacking force.
I didn't expect that our gameplan would primarily revolve around high energy high press to apparantly force errors of indeterminate nature which we would theoretically capitalise on by scoring in some indeterminate way.
We are mostly unexciting, error-strewn, pedestrian and unconvincing.
Our players aren't crap, they are competitive, energetic and hard-working ("front footed and aggressive", yawn ffs).
We were outstanding against Birmingham, primarily because the players played out of their skin to nullify a superior side.
Not all the players are mediocre. Godden deserves better service. Chuks is thrown on like a footballing Red Adair. Leaburn is still feeling his way back in. Ramsay, what a tragic time to get that injury.
But there is nobody to excite, no Yann, no Lyle Taylor.
Coventry our best midfielder, hampered by a set piece duty he is hopeless at is, if I am harsh, a shit Josh Cullen. Tyreece is our nearest to gifted wildcard, but with no assists or goals can't carry our hopes on his shoulders.
I spend most of my time watching us in utter frustration and without a fcuking clue how any game might pan out.13 -
I'm hoping we can get on a roll in the new year, you never know funny things can happen, top six is very achievable IMO.0
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I'm still not saying I don't believe we can make the playoffs, but Powell's rebuild was a lot more convincing.
God I miss him as manager.10 -
All being well we should be safe from a relegation battle but not convinced we can push on for play offs or automatic promotion even though the margins in terms of points are narrow above us.
A match fit Leaburn and Aneke could make a big difference though and that is what I am clinging to at the moment.0 -
Henry Irving said:Like last season, too many draws, too inconsistent and now the injuries are taking their toll.
A top six finish is still possible but we're not able to string a long run of wins together (one in the last six) and until we do we'll be hovering around 6th to 12th.
We do have good players but few outstanding ones but there are some average ones in there too.0 -
Underwhelmed but perennially optimistic.3
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redman said:MrBurns said:I think we have a tendency to overhype our players (as do most fan bases) and this squad isn't as strong as last season (maybe with Mannion and A Mitchell being the only strengths). I think we're 4/5 top end league 1 players short of a promotion push. That said January is the worst time to try and bring in that type of quality without spending ridiculous fees on players and even then clubs are reluctant to part with their top players. I think without getting another solid defender, an attacking minded midfielder and a better forward we will finish mid table this season. Which would be an improvement on last season's position, which puts into context how really bad we were last season. This isn't an over night fix and we need to keep with Jones. I probably sound ridiculous saying this as it's only October but I believe we need another summer transfer window to fix this squad to stand a chance of top 6.
We are 1 point off the play offs everybody. Far too much pessimism around. Will we make top 6? Maybe, maybe not but I don't think we will be far away.
If we end up 7th we might as well up 17th. Makes no odds does it.1 -
Garrymanilow said:eaststandmike said:Garrymanilow said:Milan said:We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
21/22: 23 goals
22/23: 20 goals
23/24: 23 goals
If that’s your idea of “streaky” I would love to know what you class as consistent.
In 22/23 for Cheltenham he got 1 goal in his first 7 games, got injured and came back to score 6 in his next 9, followed by 0 in 7, then 11 in 13. The season before that it was 3 in his first 17, 4 in 4, 0 in 7, a slightly insane 8 in 4, then 8 in 14 which is his most normal run. He's feast or famine across a season. This season you can't really draw too much from such a limited data set but 4 in his first 4 followed by 1 in his next 7 indicates it's probably going to happen again across the season. He'll likely get 20 goals again unless he's dropped for an extended period but it'll be in streaks across the season.
Don't worry because Ahadme is half the player Alfie is.
The problem is he isn't the 11 goals in 10 games player. He is the 1 in 13 one.0 -
Just about whelmed.0