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Your thoughts after 12 games
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Bedsaddick said:MrBurns said:redman said:MrBurns said:I think we have a tendency to overhype our players (as do most fan bases) and this squad isn't as strong as last season (maybe with Mannion and A Mitchell being the only strengths). I think we're 4/5 top end league 1 players short of a promotion push. That said January is the worst time to try and bring in that type of quality without spending ridiculous fees on players and even then clubs are reluctant to part with their top players. I think without getting another solid defender, an attacking minded midfielder and a better forward we will finish mid table this season. Which would be an improvement on last season's position, which puts into context how really bad we were last season. This isn't an over night fix and we need to keep with Jones. I probably sound ridiculous saying this as it's only October but I believe we need another summer transfer window to fix this squad to stand a chance of top 6.
We are 1 point off the play offs everybody. Far too much pessimism around. Will we make top 6? Maybe, maybe not but I don't think we will be far away.
I remember the posts on here saying that he was mustard & how we beat a Championship side to his signing. All the posters seem to have W Ham supporting mates who were drooling over how good he was & how they were surprised W Ham were letting him go.4 -
Six-a-bag-of-nuts said:My thoughts after 12 games?
That by and large we have a mediocre group. I keep clinging to the hope that the whole will click into a unit that far exceeds the sum of it's parts.
Nathan came in last year and resolved the most important issue by tightening up at the back and making us difficult to beat.
I hoped the recruitment would supplement this by making us a potent attacking force.
I didn't expect that our gameplan would primarily revolve around high energy high press to apparantly force errors of indeterminate nature which we would theoretically capitalise on by scoring in some indeterminate way.
We are mostly unexciting, error-strewn, pedestrian and unconvincing.
Our players aren't crap, they are competitive, energetic and hard-working ("front footed and aggressive", yawn ffs).
We were outstanding against Birmingham, primarily because the players played out of their skin to nullify a superior side.
Not all the players are mediocre. Godden deserves better service. Chuks is thrown on like a footballing Red Adair. Leaburn is still feeling his way back in. Ramsay, what a tragic time to get that injury.
But there is nobody to excite, no Yann, no Lyle Taylor.
Coventry our best midfielder, hampered by a set piece duty he is hopeless at is, if I am harsh, a shit Josh Cullen. Tyreece is our nearest to gifted wildcard, but with no assists or goals can't carry our hopes on his shoulders.
I spend most of my time watching us in utter frustration and without a fcuking clue how any game might pan out.1 -
golfaddick said:redman said:MrBurns said:I think we have a tendency to overhype our players (as do most fan bases) and this squad isn't as strong as last season (maybe with Mannion and A Mitchell being the only strengths). I think we're 4/5 top end league 1 players short of a promotion push. That said January is the worst time to try and bring in that type of quality without spending ridiculous fees on players and even then clubs are reluctant to part with their top players. I think without getting another solid defender, an attacking minded midfielder and a better forward we will finish mid table this season. Which would be an improvement on last season's position, which puts into context how really bad we were last season. This isn't an over night fix and we need to keep with Jones. I probably sound ridiculous saying this as it's only October but I believe we need another summer transfer window to fix this squad to stand a chance of top 6.
We are 1 point off the play offs everybody. Far too much pessimism around. Will we make top 6? Maybe, maybe not but I don't think we will be far away.
If we end up 7th we might as well up 17th. Makes no odds does it.2 -
golfaddick said:Garrymanilow said:eaststandmike said:Garrymanilow said:Milan said:We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
21/22: 23 goals
22/23: 20 goals
23/24: 23 goals
If that’s your idea of “streaky” I would love to know what you class as consistent.
In 22/23 for Cheltenham he got 1 goal in his first 7 games, got injured and came back to score 6 in his next 9, followed by 0 in 7, then 11 in 13. The season before that it was 3 in his first 17, 4 in 4, 0 in 7, a slightly insane 8 in 4, then 8 in 14 which is his most normal run. He's feast or famine across a season. This season you can't really draw too much from such a limited data set but 4 in his first 4 followed by 1 in his next 7 indicates it's probably going to happen again across the season. He'll likely get 20 goals again unless he's dropped for an extended period but it'll be in streaks across the season.
Don't worry because Ahadme is half the player Alfie is.
The problem is he isn't the 11 goals in 10 games player. He is the 1 in 13 one.
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Dazzler21 said:golfaddick said:Garrymanilow said:eaststandmike said:Garrymanilow said:Milan said:We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
21/22: 23 goals
22/23: 20 goals
23/24: 23 goals
If that’s your idea of “streaky” I would love to know what you class as consistent.
In 22/23 for Cheltenham he got 1 goal in his first 7 games, got injured and came back to score 6 in his next 9, followed by 0 in 7, then 11 in 13. The season before that it was 3 in his first 17, 4 in 4, 0 in 7, a slightly insane 8 in 4, then 8 in 14 which is his most normal run. He's feast or famine across a season. This season you can't really draw too much from such a limited data set but 4 in his first 4 followed by 1 in his next 7 indicates it's probably going to happen again across the season. He'll likely get 20 goals again unless he's dropped for an extended period but it'll be in streaks across the season.
Don't worry because Ahadme is half the player Alfie is.
The problem is he isn't the 11 goals in 10 games player. He is the 1 in 13 one.2 -
Sort the midfield out and we get Jones/Ramsey back fit sooner rather than later then we have a decent chance of making the playoffs.
The midfield is the key for me. At the moment a lack of creativity and wide players with quality0 -
Feel like Jones put all his eggs in one basket re this year's formation leaving only one real winger in the squad, two if you count Dixon. I also feel he gambled on quantity over quality in the forward department after loosing May and I think that's something that's backfired.
I don't care what anyone says the board cannot be serious about promotion after letting a proven 20 goal a season striker leave. How can you sell your best asset and not replace him.11 -
Too hit and miss, I'm not one of the imbeciles who believe we should be 1st or 2nd and that automatic promotion has to be the goal after we sold a certain striker. I am however one of the imbeciles who believe we need to get play-offs this season anything else is a disappointment, the truth is we are still around the play-off places when looking at points (I know we are 11th) but the throwing away points has now put a big pressure on the next 12 matches, if we hit a bad run of form it will be Jan/Feb and we will be well off it.
All this said we need to also be realistic there are a lot of good (and big spending teams) who are just as big (if not bigger) as us and we have no god given right to success because we used to be in the Premier League. Right now unless we have a massive uptick in form, I can see us making play-offs but bottling it, I think when you compare to previous promotion seasons (all two of them in the past 20 years) we lack characters, yes we have talent and id argue in SOME cases more talented players than previous but there seems to be a lack of resiliency and steelness to them2 -
If we don’t improve our finishing we have no chance of going up. Our top scorer is a player who invariably comes off the bench. Says it all really.0
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It's the hope that kills you3
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agim said:Feel like Jones put all his eggs in one basket re this year's formation leaving only one real winger in the squad, two if you count Dixon. I also feel he gambled on quantity over quality in the forward department after loosing May and I think that's something that's backfired.
I don't care what anyone says the board cannot be serious about promotion after letting a proven 20 goal a season striker leave. How can you sell your best asset and not replace him.0 -
golfaddick said:Garrymanilow said:eaststandmike said:Garrymanilow said:Milan said:We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
21/22: 23 goals
22/23: 20 goals
23/24: 23 goals
If that’s your idea of “streaky” I would love to know what you class as consistent.
In 22/23 for Cheltenham he got 1 goal in his first 7 games, got injured and came back to score 6 in his next 9, followed by 0 in 7, then 11 in 13. The season before that it was 3 in his first 17, 4 in 4, 0 in 7, a slightly insane 8 in 4, then 8 in 14 which is his most normal run. He's feast or famine across a season. This season you can't really draw too much from such a limited data set but 4 in his first 4 followed by 1 in his next 7 indicates it's probably going to happen again across the season. He'll likely get 20 goals again unless he's dropped for an extended period but it'll be in streaks across the season.
Don't worry because Ahadme is half the player Alfie is.
The problem is he isn't the 11 goals in 10 games player. He is the 1 in 13 one.
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Saturday really is a big game for us, 3 points and a return of 8 from 4 tough games is good although could have been so much better, however, I have no belief that we can then go on a run with the next lot of fixtures coming up.
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Callumcafc said:Callumcafc said:Callumcafc said:Callumcafc said:From this points tally in the past we’ve finished 3rd and 16th. So it’s still too early to tell.
The season we finished sixteenth this point, we won 2 of the next 11 making it 7 wins from 23
How many games we win between now and Wycombe on December 29 will give us a good indication for the second half of the season.Is it good enough for Charlton in the third division? Not at all. Would it still be a step in the right direction? 100%.0 -
Radostanradical said:agim said:Feel like Jones put all his eggs in one basket re this year's formation leaving only one real winger in the squad, two if you count Dixon. I also feel he gambled on quantity over quality in the forward department after loosing May and I think that's something that's backfired.
I don't care what anyone says the board cannot be serious about promotion after letting a proven 20 goal a season striker leave. How can you sell your best asset and not replace him.
You muppet2 -
I have no idea of the direction this team is going in. We are harder to beat than last season for sure, but still the silly mistakes that have plagued us for a decade-plus continue, and half the time seem to cost a goal. The only time we seem to shoot from outside the area is when a player is clearly going to block it. Various players have looked great in various games, and then piss-poor in others. It must be very frustrating for the manager and the coaches - I know for sure they never tell any player "Pop out there and play like you have never seen a football this afternoon". Equally, there seems to be too much playing people out of their favoured position, which is down to the coaching staff (albeit often forced by the inevitable string of injuries). My tactical knowledge of football you could write on a postage stamp, but I think we need to play at least one big striker up front in this division.1
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agim said:Radostanradical said:agim said:Feel like Jones put all his eggs in one basket re this year's formation leaving only one real winger in the squad, two if you count Dixon. I also feel he gambled on quantity over quality in the forward department after loosing May and I think that's something that's backfired.
I don't care what anyone says the board cannot be serious about promotion after letting a proven 20 goal a season striker leave. How can you sell your best asset and not replace him.
You muppet
Also please don't call me a muppet I'm intimidated by your superior intellect now1 -
In truth the Board have not nearly spent enough to just get that extra little bit of quality that we need.
I agree with a few on here that besides Brum anyone has got a chance this season to get out.
However, Nathan, has had in the end to feed off scraps with his ex players and hope they can offer something.
However, I'm sure by now he's figured out that another 5 players are needed.
Several players really can't hack it and he clearly feels let down by them, that interview after Barnsley seemed to confirm that.
If we are to make the playoffs as a minimum then its not happening with this bunch.
I think top ten is the best we can hope for unless some proper money is spent but after the disappointment of Gas it also proves that it doesn't always work.
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Radostanradical said:agim said:Radostanradical said:agim said:Feel like Jones put all his eggs in one basket re this year's formation leaving only one real winger in the squad, two if you count Dixon. I also feel he gambled on quantity over quality in the forward department after loosing May and I think that's something that's backfired.
I don't care what anyone says the board cannot be serious about promotion after letting a proven 20 goal a season striker leave. How can you sell your best asset and not replace him.
You muppet
Also please don't call me a muppet I'm intimidated by your superior intellect now
Calm down Kermit2 -
Oh god are we at the "you want us to fail" stage of debate?2
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golfaddick said:Dazzler21 said:golfaddick said:Garrymanilow said:eaststandmike said:Garrymanilow said:Milan said:We've scored a paltry 13 goals in 12 games. Had we kept May, one wonders, would some of these draws have resulted in 3 points? Yes, I know, boring, boring, boring, he was keen to leave, but we should have held him to his contract and made him run it down. Instead we're lumbered with a "strikeforce" that's never going to help us achieve anything beyond mid table mediocrity. That would almost be palatable if there was some exciting football on offer and a few goals to enjoy.
21/22: 23 goals
22/23: 20 goals
23/24: 23 goals
If that’s your idea of “streaky” I would love to know what you class as consistent.
In 22/23 for Cheltenham he got 1 goal in his first 7 games, got injured and came back to score 6 in his next 9, followed by 0 in 7, then 11 in 13. The season before that it was 3 in his first 17, 4 in 4, 0 in 7, a slightly insane 8 in 4, then 8 in 14 which is his most normal run. He's feast or famine across a season. This season you can't really draw too much from such a limited data set but 4 in his first 4 followed by 1 in his next 7 indicates it's probably going to happen again across the season. He'll likely get 20 goals again unless he's dropped for an extended period but it'll be in streaks across the season.
Don't worry because Ahadme is half the player Alfie is.
The problem is he isn't the 11 goals in 10 games player. He is the 1 in 13 one.
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northstandsteve said:Saturday really is a big game for us, 3 points and a return of 8 from 4 tough games is good although could have been so much better, however, I have no belief that we can then go on a run with the next lot of fixtures coming up.0
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Wheresmeticket said:Oh god are we at the "you want us to fail" stage of debate?2
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A big concern for me is the 1 goal in the first half in 12 games. Suggests to me that Nathan is getting his set up wrong. So many times we are having to make HT changes because we've got the first half wrong. All it takes is one goal in the first half for the opposition and we are once again playing catch up1
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Wheresmeticket said:Oh god are we at the "you want us to fail" stage of debate?
They sold May because of his age and he's in the last year of his contract
They haven't replaced him and it's almost certainly why we will finish mid table.0 -
agim said:Radostanradical said:agim said:Radostanradical said:agim said:Feel like Jones put all his eggs in one basket re this year's formation leaving only one real winger in the squad, two if you count Dixon. I also feel he gambled on quantity over quality in the forward department after loosing May and I think that's something that's backfired.
I don't care what anyone says the board cannot be serious about promotion after letting a proven 20 goal a season striker leave. How can you sell your best asset and not replace him.
You muppet
Also please don't call me a muppet I'm intimidated by your superior intellect now
Calm down Kermit
So your argument is "thEy NEEd tO SigN SoMEOne bUT DoNT ASk mE If ITs PoSSibLe To REPLace MAy or WhO We shoULD SiGN", what a brilliant point ! maybe we can use that with other issues effecting the world ?
Stop it from raining ? How ? not my problem mate.
Now repeat that back to me so I know you understood it.0 -
People still buying the line that May moved for his family and not because Jones didn't fancy him and kept benching him towards the end of last season?
Club propaganda worked a treat.13 -
SELR_addicks said:People still buying the line that May moved for his family and not because Jones didn't fancy him and kept benching him towards the end of last season?
Club propaganda worked a treat.3 -
Largely bored by watching us, will take it if it gets us out of league one but it's a pretty tough watch when we're off it0
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fenaddick said:SELR_addicks said:People still buying the line that May moved for his family and not because Jones didn't fancy him and kept benching him towards the end of last season?
Club propaganda worked a treat.
If Jones wanted to built a side with May as the/a striker, he would still be here. Jones didn't want to.11