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The Best that Never Was (Charlton Academy)

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  • MarcusH26
    MarcusH26 Posts: 8,033
    Dazzler21 said:
    Ishmael Demontagnac 
    Didn't he go on to have a decent EFL career? Seem to remember him at Walsall?
  • lolwray
    lolwray Posts: 4,900
    Luciano Masiello...Pardon spelling
  • ParkinsonOut
    ParkinsonOut Posts: 1,463
    killerandflash said:
    I was surprised when Curbs sold Kevin Nicholls, as he looked very promising. He went on to have a decent EFL career,  becoming a bit of a Luton legend.
    Perhaps Jones can bring him back in the January window 🤪
  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,142
    Deji Elerewe... Saw him in a cup match and thought this kid has everything. Cool, dominant and a great passer of the ball with either foot. 

    Shame he never moved up. 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    edited November 2024
    Big William said:
    Ross said:
    James Walker. Scored for fun at youth level and in friendlies, but never got his chance.
    Didn’t he have a heart problem that forced him to retire?

    It was managed and he played for Southend and a number of non league teams but sadly had a Cardiac Arrest in 2019 aged 31 and while he survived I believe he now lives in a care home with 24 hour care.  I bought a Charlton shirt of his off eBay about a year ago which was being sold to raise funds for charity:

  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    edited November 2024
    agim said:
    JustFloydRoad said:
    Was Joe Pigott ever hyped up?
    I know some coaches/managers that were in the non league / pro youth set up when Piggott was coming through and they never rated him. Always said he looked good at youth level because of his size but technically very poor. Fair play to him he's had a decent pro career

    I was at Sparrows lane when Joe Pigott scored 4 against Huddersfield for the U21's and it wasn't that he couldn't hold the ball up or had no technic but the lack of pace and for a tallish striker wasn't great in the air. 
    I thought Joe would've a career in possibly League 2 or maybe League 1 at a push as he was a goal poacher.

    His best season was at Wimbledon in League 1. 20/21  when he hit 20 in 45 apps. This got JP a good contract at Ipswich but he wasn't a promotion league 1 striker.

    Joe is 31 in a week's time and on loan at Wimbledon from Orient.

    Never Hyped up as Joe had limitations in some areas.
    Big Bob Peeters said he didn't know what his strengths were ! 

  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,027
    Chippycafc said:
    Deji Elerewe... Saw him in a cup match and thought this kid has everything. Cool, dominant and a great passer of the ball with either foot. 

    Shame he never moved up. 
    He's only 21 and playing in L2, don't think you can write him off yet
  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    cafcfan said:
    I thought Josh Umerah and Brandon Hanlon would both go on to do more than they have.  Also years ago felt that Charlie McDonald would be a star.
    And then there was Toby Stevenson, scored a hat-trick on debut - not bad for a defender - went off to  Watford and then disappeared without trace.

    I was at Griffin park when we beat Brentford in some youth tournament and Umerah and Hanlon were the strikers. Strong physical players and I believe Lookman played in that game ? Konsa as well.

    Toby Stevenson played for Chatham town in 2024 but back home to Essex and Brentwood town since I believe. Still just 24 but In Part-time football now.
    I thought he would play higher.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,304
    Forgot about Elerewe and being at Bromley now... Wondering if he's got a long term injury as he's barely played the last year
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    I refereed a Sunday game some years back and The Vin Nguyen was playing. It was for a reserve team too. I got the impression that he was a club ‘casual’, but he played in a relaxed style and was by far the best player on the pitch.
    It seemed that football wasn’t the be all and end all for him. So the family duties aspect of things rings true.
    The stories about his age seem wrong to me, he played for England at a representative level and that would have been sussed.
    I knew Ann Bradshaw (nee Payne) who said everybody called him Vinny.
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  • soapboxsam
    soapboxsam Posts: 23,229
    fenaddick said:
    Chippycafc said:
    Deji Elerewe... Saw him in a cup match and thought this kid has everything. Cool, dominant and a great passer of the ball with either foot. 

    Shame he never moved up. 
    He's only 21 and playing in L2, don't think you can write him off yet

    Is Deji Elerewe injured because I never see his name in the Bromley team this season or at the end of last season ? Also he didn't play against CAFC last week.

    I know Grant's on loan from Millwall is one CB but knowing that Deji was highly rated by Andy Woodman makes we wonder why he isn't in the 18. He did play as a full back as well on loan before the permanent transfer.

    At 21, I agree he could still play higher.

  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,027
    Yes Elerewe has been injured. Started for their B team recently but came off after 30 mins but no idea if that was planned or not
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,477
    guinnessaddick said:
    DaisyEdwards said:
    Seem to remember Mark Lawrenson tipping Stacey Long for a big career. 
    The one thing that Stacey lacked was pace, he was captain of many England youth teams. He’s married the daughter of the man who owned the Venue. Saw him recently driving a BD8, he’s involved with Glebe FC.
    What is a BD8?
  • iaitch
    iaitch Posts: 10,225
    Just googled BD8 and it's a Bradford post code!!!
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,477
    iaitch said:
    Just googled BD8 and it's a Bradford post code!!!
    Me too.😄
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,617
    SoundAsa£ said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    DaisyEdwards said:
    Seem to remember Mark Lawrenson tipping Stacey Long for a big career. 
    The one thing that Stacey lacked was pace, he was captain of many England youth teams. He’s married the daughter of the man who owned the Venue. Saw him recently driving a BD8, he’s involved with Glebe FC.
    What is a BD8?
    Aston Martin 
  • SoundAsa£
    SoundAsa£ Posts: 22,477
    edited November 2024
    guinnessaddick said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    DaisyEdwards said:
    Seem to remember Mark Lawrenson tipping Stacey Long for a big career. 
    The one thing that Stacey lacked was pace, he was captain of many England youth teams. He’s married the daughter of the man who owned the Venue. Saw him recently driving a BD8, he’s involved with Glebe FC.
    What is a BD8?
    Aston Martin 
    Ermmm……..there’s no such car!
    You might have thought it was a DB8……which strangely is a vehicle they never produced anyway.
    DB7 yes….DB9 yes but no DB8…..the reason being they didn’t want people to think it only had 8 pots.
    They also skipped the DB10 from the range……though I’m not sure why?
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,617
    SoundAsa£ said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    DaisyEdwards said:
    Seem to remember Mark Lawrenson tipping Stacey Long for a big career. 
    The one thing that Stacey lacked was pace, he was captain of many England youth teams. He’s married the daughter of the man who owned the Venue. Saw him recently driving a BD8, he’s involved with Glebe FC.
    What is a BD8?
    Aston Martin 
    Ermmm……..there’s no such car!
    You might have thought it was a DB8……which strangely is a vehicle they never produced anyway.
    DB7 yes….DB9 yes but no DB8…..the reason being they didn’t want people to think it only had 8 pots.
    They also skipped the DB10 from the range……though I’m not sure why?
    Ok, wrong number, but it was definitely an Aston.
  • arny23394
    arny23394 Posts: 1,180
    SoundAsa£ said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    SoundAsa£ said:
    guinnessaddick said:
    DaisyEdwards said:
    Seem to remember Mark Lawrenson tipping Stacey Long for a big career. 
    The one thing that Stacey lacked was pace, he was captain of many England youth teams. He’s married the daughter of the man who owned the Venue. Saw him recently driving a BD8, he’s involved with Glebe FC.
    What is a BD8?
    Aston Martin 
    Ermmm……..there’s no such car!
    You might have thought it was a DB8……which strangely is a vehicle they never produced anyway.
    DB7 yes….DB9 yes but no DB8…..the reason being they didn’t want people to think it only had 8 pots.
    They also skipped the DB10 from the range……though I’m not sure why?
    No....need....to....split.....hairs
  • superdulvertonred
    superdulvertonred Posts: 1,137
    Barry Little was a great youth prospect who never pushed on from England Youth terms but may had been due to underlying medical issues retired and died at a tragically young age.
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  • Chippycafc
    Chippycafc Posts: 14,142
    fenaddick said:
    Chippycafc said:
    Deji Elerewe... Saw him in a cup match and thought this kid has everything. Cool, dominant and a great passer of the ball with either foot. 

    Shame he never moved up. 
    He's only 21 and playing in L2, don't think you can write him off yet
    Hadn't written him off but when i saw him was immediately impressed more than i did with Konsa and Gomez They went onwards pretty quickly hence my comment.
  • Friend Or Defoe
    Friend Or Defoe Posts: 18,083
    Stacey Long. I once served his dad at Burger King. #ClaimToFame
  • usetobunkin
    usetobunkin Posts: 2,182
    edited November 2024
    My son trained alongside McGinty, and Woodyard at the Advanced School at Swanley.Before both moved on to the Academy 
    Spoke to McG Dad just after he was let go by Utd. He was being groomed as a replacement for Evra. 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    Didn't we have Varney (son of Peter) and Hales as strikers in our youth who both banged in tonnes of goals. 

    Next time I saw Varney he was playing against me in the 4th/5th division of the Bromley and Orpington Sunday League.
  • Grapevine49
    Grapevine49 Posts: 997
    Lucien Masiello was seemingly misdirected by his agent who didn’t understand the Italian football industry. Firmani, I believe told him not to go to Italy where the club that bought him had to the right to almost immediately loan him. Which is precisely what they did to a lower club in the middle of nowhere. He protested but had no choice. He ultimately had enough and returned to the UK but when I met him the Italians were not going to release his international clearance. I am not sure they ever did. 

    I was astonished Jordan Cousins never rose to the highest levels.  I have no doubt he is doing a job at Cambridge but he was at a youth level a Rolls Royce of a defender either at full back or Centrally. He looked every inch a calm, natural, unflustered, top quality defender.  With Solly in situ he was expecting to go on loan but Powell promoted him to play in him Central Midfield in the first team. He did really well but because of his engine and to accommodate Poyet in Central Midfield we shunted Jordan to play wide.

    I rated Chris Powell but I am not sure he did Jordan any favours. Jordan has stayed in midfield largely his entire career. 

    Yes Jordan did a job and he has had a decent career with 300 appearances and while I know injuries played a part I cannot believe he never demanded to go back to play in defence.

    I think he has a total of 5 senior games at RB and never lost. 


  • Scoham
    Scoham Posts: 37,376
    Grapevine49 said:
    Lucien Masiello was seemingly misdirected by his agent who didn’t understand the Italian football industry. Firmani, I believe told him not to go to Italy where the club that bought him had to the right to almost immediately loan him. Which is precisely what they did to a lower club in the middle of nowhere. He protested but had no choice. He ultimately had enough and returned to the UK but when I met him the Italians were not going to release his international clearance. I am not sure they ever did. 

    I was astonished Jordan Cousins never rose to the highest levels.  I have no doubt he is doing a job at Cambridge but he was at a youth level a Rolls Royce of a defender either at full back or Centrally. He looked every inch a calm, natural, unflustered, top quality defender.  With Solly in situ he was expecting to go on loan but Powell promoted him to play in him Central Midfield in the first team. He did really well but because of his engine and to accommodate Poyet in Central Midfield we shunted Jordan to play wide.

    I rated Chris Powell but I am not sure he did Jordan any favours. Jordan has stayed in midfield largely his entire career. 

    Yes Jordan did a job and he has had a decent career with 300 appearances and while I know injuries played a part I cannot believe he never demanded to go back to play in defence.

    I think he has a total of 5 senior games at RB and never lost. 


    I’m sure Cousins spent time in midfield at youth level as well as RB/CB, Powell wasn’t the first manager to play him in CM.
  • SporadicAddick
    SporadicAddick Posts: 6,853
    Friend Or Defoe said:
    Stacey Long. I once served his dad at Burger King. #ClaimToFame
    you'll be able to dine out on that one for years  ;)
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,617
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Didn't we have Varney (son of Peter) and Hales as strikers in our youth who both banged in tonnes of goals. 

    Next time I saw Varney he was playing against me in the 4th/5th division of the Bromley and Orpington Sunday League.
    Alex played for Barnet, think he appeared for the first once (7 mins) in the football league. Trained with a youth German squad. Now works for TalkSport.
  • LargeAddick
    LargeAddick Posts: 32,559
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Didn't we have Varney (son of Peter) and Hales as strikers in our youth who both banged in tonnes of goals. 

    Next time I saw Varney he was playing against me in the 4th/5th division of the Bromley and Orpington Sunday League.
    Yep, Alex Varney and Leigh Hales 
  • Athletico Charlton
    Athletico Charlton Posts: 14,273
    guinnessaddick said:
    Athletico Charlton said:
    Didn't we have Varney (son of Peter) and Hales as strikers in our youth who both banged in tonnes of goals. 

    Next time I saw Varney he was playing against me in the 4th/5th division of the Bromley and Orpington Sunday League.
    Alex played for Barnet, think he appeared for the first once (7 mins) in the football league. Trained with a youth German squad. Now works for TalkSport.

    Assume he must have just been doing some mates a favour then.  I was surprised to see Peter V on the side of a pitch I was playing on!

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