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Michael Hector - March 2025: signed for Dagenham and Redbridge til end of season (p31)

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  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,762
    Chunes said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    Hector is a really weird player. It seems like he's a poster boy for the limited distance talent can take you if you just don't feel like putting the work in. Chelsea obviously saw something in him as a bit of a late bloomer but he never delivered on that promise and then seemed happy enough to be shunted about wherever. I think he's just not that bothered anymore and I don't think he was really that bothered to begin with. There are players with half his ability playing well above his level because they are willing to work and throw themselves into the game but I'm sure he's happy enough with what he's got out of it.
    Reminds me of Johnny Williams - another player who has the ability to play much higher than where he is, but seems like he lost that extra desire you need at the higher levels.
    I'd say injuries held Johnny back more than anything. I don't think you could excuse him of not trying. Didn't he take a paycut to stay with us, where he was happy and getting minutes?
  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,417
    edited March 11
    Croydon said:
    Chunes said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    Hector is a really weird player. It seems like he's a poster boy for the limited distance talent can take you if you just don't feel like putting the work in. Chelsea obviously saw something in him as a bit of a late bloomer but he never delivered on that promise and then seemed happy enough to be shunted about wherever. I think he's just not that bothered anymore and I don't think he was really that bothered to begin with. There are players with half his ability playing well above his level because they are willing to work and throw themselves into the game but I'm sure he's happy enough with what he's got out of it.
    Reminds me of Johnny Williams - another player who has the ability to play much higher than where he is, but seems like he lost that extra desire you need at the higher levels.
    I'd say injuries held Johnny back more than anything. I don't think you could excuse him of not trying. Didn't he take a paycut to stay with us, where he was happy and getting minutes?
    Injuries definitely held him back, too, although I'd argue in a different way. He's been in L2 for the past three seasons and has played 45, 39 and 49 games and is still there, and not really pulling up any trees. 

    He always struck me as someone who wasn't bothered about winning, scoring, etc.. Some players have that urgent desire.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,022
    Chunes said:
    Croydon said:
    Chunes said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    Hector is a really weird player. It seems like he's a poster boy for the limited distance talent can take you if you just don't feel like putting the work in. Chelsea obviously saw something in him as a bit of a late bloomer but he never delivered on that promise and then seemed happy enough to be shunted about wherever. I think he's just not that bothered anymore and I don't think he was really that bothered to begin with. There are players with half his ability playing well above his level because they are willing to work and throw themselves into the game but I'm sure he's happy enough with what he's got out of it.
    Reminds me of Johnny Williams - another player who has the ability to play much higher than where he is, but seems like he lost that extra desire you need at the higher levels.
    I'd say injuries held Johnny back more than anything. I don't think you could excuse him of not trying. Didn't he take a paycut to stay with us, where he was happy and getting minutes?
    Injuries definitely held him back, too, although I'd argue in a different way. He's been in L2 for the past three seasons and has played 45, 39 and 49 games and is still there, and not really pulling up any trees. 

    He always struck me as someone who wasn't bothered about winning, scoring, etc.. Some players have that urgent desire.
    Rather an odd career after leaving us, as he went up to Championship Cardiff for 6 months, then dropped straight down to L2 where he's in his 4th season now. 

    Also strange that in 22/23 for Swindon he scored 10 goals in 37 league games (and was their top scorer), whereas the next season for Gillingham in 42 league games he failed to score at all!
  • Talal
    Talal Posts: 11,523
    SporadicAddick said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    Hector is a really weird player. It seems like he's a poster boy for the limited distance talent can take you if you just don't feel like putting the work in. Chelsea obviously saw something in him as a bit of a late bloomer but he never delivered on that promise and then seemed happy enough to be shunted about wherever. I think he's just not that bothered anymore and I don't think he was really that bothered to begin with. There are players with half his ability playing well above his level because they are willing to work and throw themselves into the game but I'm sure he's happy enough with what he's got out of it.
    A player who has had a career of over 400 professional games...but yep, everything you think is probably right - he couldn't be bothered from the start....


    Was surprised to see that with us he'd played the second most games in his career, only 10 fewer than for Reading.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,022
    Talal said:
    SporadicAddick said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    Hector is a really weird player. It seems like he's a poster boy for the limited distance talent can take you if you just don't feel like putting the work in. Chelsea obviously saw something in him as a bit of a late bloomer but he never delivered on that promise and then seemed happy enough to be shunted about wherever. I think he's just not that bothered anymore and I don't think he was really that bothered to begin with. There are players with half his ability playing well above his level because they are willing to work and throw themselves into the game but I'm sure he's happy enough with what he's got out of it.
    A player who has had a career of over 400 professional games...but yep, everything you think is probably right - he couldn't be bothered from the start....


    Was surprised to see that with us he'd played the second most games in his career, only 10 fewer than for Reading.
    He's had a ridiculous number of loan moves. Indeed he's played in an amazing number of divisions, virtually every level in the English pyramid, plus he's played in Ireland, Scotland and Germany!
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,228
    Garrymanilow said:
    Hector is a really weird player. It seems like he's a poster boy for the limited distance talent can take you if you just don't feel like putting the work in. Chelsea obviously saw something in him as a bit of a late bloomer but he never delivered on that promise and then seemed happy enough to be shunted about wherever. I think he's just not that bothered anymore and I don't think he was really that bothered to begin with. There are players with half his ability playing well above his level because they are willing to work and throw themselves into the game but I'm sure he's happy enough with what he's got out of it.

    This has been very much my view.
    For his sake, hopefully his financial future is bright and he has not missed out on earning large sums of money.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,228
    Chunes said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    Hector is a really weird player. It seems like he's a poster boy for the limited distance talent can take you if you just don't feel like putting the work in. Chelsea obviously saw something in him as a bit of a late bloomer but he never delivered on that promise and then seemed happy enough to be shunted about wherever. I think he's just not that bothered anymore and I don't think he was really that bothered to begin with. There are players with half his ability playing well above his level because they are willing to work and throw themselves into the game but I'm sure he's happy enough with what he's got out of it.
    Reminds me of Johnny Williams - another player who has the ability to play much higher than where he is, but seems like he lost that extra desire you need at the higher levels.

    Tony Watt as well?
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 1,672
    edited March 11
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    JustFloydRoad Posts: 1,672


    He is back, loses first game (4-2) in baller league and gets booed.

    Back for the (relegation) fight on Monday then back to the baller league. (unless Mr Ginge transfers him out).
  • JustFloydRoad
    JustFloydRoad Posts: 1,672
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Fulham > Charlton > Dagenham... Prioritising staying in London?
    Didn't really do much with Dagenham probably will probably have more Baller League minutes than Dagenham

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  • superclive98
    superclive98 Posts: 4,809
    JustFloydRoad said:
    ForeverAddickted said:
    Fulham > Charlton > Dagenham... Prioritising staying in London?
    Didn't really do much with Dagenham probably will probably have more Baller League minutes than Dagenham
    Did you mean balls-up minutes?
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,228
    Hector seems to be a strange case.
    He's been able to play at high level but he has roamed around and had many clubs.
    Reports/Rumours say that personal circumstances have taken priority over his career, if true, that can be commended.

  • Alwaysneil
    Alwaysneil Posts: 13,826
    Unless personal circumstances is a predilection for a large bong before matches, before training or indeed on waking up in the morning. 
  • Red_Chester
    Red_Chester Posts: 753
    Shows how bad our CBs were last year. Thomas get relegated to the conference and Hector can’t even play in a 6 a side tv game. 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,407
    edited October 7
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 


  • Chunes
    Chunes Posts: 17,417
    edited October 7
    I've got PTSD from this thread.
  • sammy391
    sammy391 Posts: 3,799
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 




    Quite a few ex Addicks participating
    -Martyn Waghorn 
    - Michael hector 
    - Kurtis cumberbatch 
    - Josh Parker 
    - Daniel Bowry 
    -Kadell Daniel
    - Marvin sordell 
    - Timmy Abraham 
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,402
    Obviously he's been buried at the crossroads with a stake through his heart and obviously his deficiencies were pretty glaring in retrospect (chiefly: not wanting to run much, being a bit dozy), but for 95% of the time he looked imperious and could do wonderful things with the ball and in the challenge. I suppose what I've learnt is that a defender is as good as their worst 5% 
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,762
    Leuth said:
    Obviously he's been buried at the crossroads with a stake through his heart and obviously his deficiencies were pretty glaring in retrospect (chiefly: not wanting to run much, being a bit dozy), but for 95% of the time he looked imperious and could do wonderful things with the ball and in the challenge. I suppose what I've learnt is that a defender is as good as their worst 5% 
    If it really was 95/5 he would still be playing for a league club. 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,380
    edited October 7
    Croydon said:
    Leuth said:
    Obviously he's been buried at the crossroads with a stake through his heart and obviously his deficiencies were pretty glaring in retrospect (chiefly: not wanting to run much, being a bit dozy), but for 95% of the time he looked imperious and could do wonderful things with the ball and in the challenge. I suppose what I've learnt is that a defender is as good as their worst 5% 
    If it really was 95/5 he would still be playing for a league club. 
    I think it’s quite clear that his motivations  have not been to play at the highest level possible. After leaving us he’d easily have been able to pick up a deal in the EFL, but location is all that matters to him, and fair play to him for prioritising his family over his career/earnings 

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  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,381
    edited October 7
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,407
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 70,022
    NabySarr said:
    Croydon said:
    Leuth said:
    Obviously he's been buried at the crossroads with a stake through his heart and obviously his deficiencies were pretty glaring in retrospect (chiefly: not wanting to run much, being a bit dozy), but for 95% of the time he looked imperious and could do wonderful things with the ball and in the challenge. I suppose what I've learnt is that a defender is as good as their worst 5% 
    If it really was 95/5 he would still be playing for a league club. 
    I think it’s quite clear that his motivations  have not been to play at the highest level possible. After leaving us he’d easily have been able to pick up a deal in the EFL, but location is all that matters to him, and fair play to him for prioritising his family over his career/earnings 
    I'm not sure it's that worthy, a 32/33 year old effectively giving up his professional career 3 years early.

    It's not as if footballers can take a career break for the family, and then return 5 years later. 
  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,380
    edited October 7
    Braziliance said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




    Tbf we had Lloyd Jones so in hindsight ridicule was correct. Not sure if we also had Gillesphey at the time but he’s also proven to be a much better all-round player than Piergianni. 

    Piergianni has certain strengths that work if he plays for a certain style team. He would have been a poor signing for us but he’s great for Stevenage 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,381
    Piergianni has peaked at League 1, it's not irrelevant.

    Hector's lower ebb of his career is League 1. 

    You have a weird obsession with a bang average defender who would look like an absolute donkey in a Nathan Jones defence, and can't take it when people call it out for what it is, a shit take
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,407
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




    Tbf we had Lloyd Jones so in hindsight ridicule was correct. Not sure if we also had Gillesphey at the time but he’s also proven to be a much better all-round player than Piergianni. 

    Piergianni has certain strengths that work if he plays for a certain style team. He would have been a poor signing for us but he’s great for Stevenage 
    I have never said he is better than Lloyd, said multiple times he is our best centre back since the Prem. 

    Piergianni is just a very good centre back, amazing people can't admit it when all the proof is there for them.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,407
    sam3110 said:
    Piergianni has peaked at League 1, it's not irrelevant.

    Hector's lower ebb of his career is League 1. 

    You have a weird obsession with a bang average defender who would look like an absolute donkey in a Nathan Jones defence, and can't take it when people call it out for what it is, a shit take
    Suppose Alfie May isn't a very good striker as well then, as it looks like his peak is League 1. 

    Just enjoy being very correct when people tried being smug. 

    I said Hector was pants, ridiculed, here we are. I said he was one of the worst defenders in the league, seems even that was generous.

    Was just using Piergianni as an example of a player who I said was miles better, and it was made out to be ridiculous. 

    A fantastic day to win a 3-4 year Charlton Life argument. 


  • NabySarr
    NabySarr Posts: 4,380
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




    Tbf we had Lloyd Jones so in hindsight ridicule was correct. Not sure if we also had Gillesphey at the time but he’s also proven to be a much better all-round player than Piergianni. 

    Piergianni has certain strengths that work if he plays for a certain style team. He would have been a poor signing for us but he’s great for Stevenage 
    I have never said he is better than Lloyd, said multiple times he is our best centre back since the Prem. 

    Piergianni is just a very good centre back, amazing people can't admit it when all the proof is there for them.
    You just said you called that he was better than every centre back we had at the time. At the time we had Jones and Gillesphey who have both proven to be much better since

    Piergianni is a very good centre back for a team that plays a certain way at league 1 level. If he was as good as you say he is, do you not think at the very least a larger budget league 1 team would have signed him? It wouldn’t have been difficult to get him out of Stevenage 

    He's a very good defender, but if you asked him to play for a better team he’d be exposed in possession and exposed when asked to defend much higher up the pitch than he does with Stevenage. That’s why his career has hit a ceiling, he’s very good at what he does, and in that role he’s probably one of the best in league 1. But that doesn’t mean he would have been a good signing for us
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,407
    edited October 7
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




    Tbf we had Lloyd Jones so in hindsight ridicule was correct. Not sure if we also had Gillesphey at the time but he’s also proven to be a much better all-round player than Piergianni. 

    Piergianni has certain strengths that work if he plays for a certain style team. He would have been a poor signing for us but he’s great for Stevenage 
    I have never said he is better than Lloyd, said multiple times he is our best centre back since the Prem. 

    Piergianni is just a very good centre back, amazing people can't admit it when all the proof is there for them.
    You just said you called that he was better than every centre back we had at the time. At the time we had Jones and Gillesphey who have both proven to be much better since

    Piergianni is a very good centre back for a team that plays a certain way at league 1 level. If he was as good as you say he is, do you not think at the very least a larger budget league 1 team would have signed him? It wouldn’t have been difficult to get him out of Stevenage 

    He's a very good defender, but if you asked him to play for a better team he’d be exposed in possession and exposed when asked to defend much higher up the pitch than he does with Stevenage. That’s why his career has hit a ceiling, he’s very good at what he does, and in that role he’s probably one of the best in league 1. But that doesn’t mean he would have been a good signing for us
    Na, we didn't have the version of Lloyd Jones we had in the 24/25 and this season, he was struggling with injury and no one on this forum knew just how good he would become.

    Macca was a January signing. 

    I was comparing him to Terell & Hector, who were more main stay in our side. 

    Even if I was to compare Piergianni to Macca and Lloydy that season, he wins that debate, comfortably. Stats will back that up. Number 1 rated player on WhoScored, Number 2 on SofaScore. The best centre back that season alongside Cashin, that's a statistical fact, not an opinion. 

    His age went against him transfer wise, if he was younger, he would be at a bigger club, just like Lloyd Jones now. If Lloyd Jones was playing to this level and was in his early 20s, he would be elsewhere this season. 

    As for his playstyle, in the last two seasons, he has almost identical passing stats to Lloydy before he came to Charlton (66-68%) it is only since Lloyd has been here his passing stats have improved, that's what coaching is for.

    This isn't about Lloyd anyway, this is just about how many shit centre backs we have had in the last decade. Makes me laugh. 

    Michael Hector was pants. 
  • sam3110
    sam3110 Posts: 21,381
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    NabySarr said:
    Braziliance said:
    sam3110 said:
    Braziliance said:
    Michael Hector at 33 years old, baller league draft 

    https://x.com/BallerLeagueUK/status/1975201554664960353?t=LaUtwxJ7oS6NPzY7mujB-g&s=19

    Carl Piergianni at 33 years old, captain of a table topping League 1 side and putting up consistent numbers, again 



    Hector


    Piergianni 
    Irrelevant. That was then, this is recent/present.

    I called he was better than every centre back we had at the time, and it was ridiculed, repeatedly. 

    There isn't a single centre back we had on our books at the time playing at a higher level now, they can't even get League 2 contracts. 

    Piergianni might be a Championship player next year, and even if he isn't, it is beyond doubt he is a top League 1 centre back, like I said at the time.




    Tbf we had Lloyd Jones so in hindsight ridicule was correct. Not sure if we also had Gillesphey at the time but he’s also proven to be a much better all-round player than Piergianni. 

    Piergianni has certain strengths that work if he plays for a certain style team. He would have been a poor signing for us but he’s great for Stevenage 
    I have never said he is better than Lloyd, said multiple times he is our best centre back since the Prem. 

    Piergianni is just a very good centre back, amazing people can't admit it when all the proof is there for them.
    You just said you called that he was better than every centre back we had at the time. At the time we had Jones and Gillesphey who have both proven to be much better since

    Piergianni is a very good centre back for a team that plays a certain way at league 1 level. If he was as good as you say he is, do you not think at the very least a larger budget league 1 team would have signed him? It wouldn’t have been difficult to get him out of Stevenage 

    He's a very good defender, but if you asked him to play for a better team he’d be exposed in possession and exposed when asked to defend much higher up the pitch than he does with Stevenage. That’s why his career has hit a ceiling, he’s very good at what he does, and in that role he’s probably one of the best in league 1. But that doesn’t mean he would have been a good signing for us
    Na, we didn't have the version of Lloyd Jones we had in the 24/25 and this season, he was struggling with injury and no one on this forum knew just how good he would become.

    Macca was a January signing. 

    I was comparing him to Terell & Hector, who were more main stay in our side. 

    Even if I was to compare Piergianni to Macca and Lloydy that season, he wins that debate, comfortably. Stats will back that up. Number 1 rated player on WhoScored, Number 2 on SofaScore. The best centre back that season alongside Cashin, that's a statistical fact, not an opinion. 

    His age went against him transfer wise, if he was younger, he would be at a bigger club, just like Lloyd Jones now. If Lloyd Jones was playing to this level and was in his early 20s, he would be elsewhere this season. 

    As for his playstyle, in the last two seasons, he has almost identical passing stats to Lloydy before he came to Charlton (66-68%) it is only since Lloyd has been here his passing stats have improved, that's what coaching is for.

    This isn't about Lloyd anyway, this is just about how many shit centre backs we have had in the last decade. Makes me laugh. 

    Michael Hector was pants. 
    And if we signed Piergianni, he would have been added to that list

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