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Miles Leaburn - Signs New 3 Year Contract (p77)
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Union a very good shout. Would still argue that doesn’t represent most of Europe though!PragueAddick said:
Union Berlin!! A much better example than the tin can club. Bear in mind also two important things. The 3rd division has only been national and fully professional since 2008. And many big clubs in East Germany (not the tin can club) have been financially crippled since reunification. These are both big issues that the modern English league has not had to address.fenaddick said:
Not in the third or fourth tier up to the top and competing for Europe. Leipzig are the only team I can think of that have done that off the top of my head and they're a special case.PragueAddick said:
Germany. With the exception that Bayern nearly always are champions, below that its very fluid.fenaddick said:
Because teams who played lower down the pyramid have managed to become successful and challenge near the top of that pyramid? Surely that shows some positives about the pyramid, not something that would happen in most European countriesPragueAddick said:
Those facts are thoroughly alarming about the state of the so-called pyramid.Chris_from_Sidcup said:
I don't think he's anywhere near the level of player they'd sign. Yes if it was the Brighton and Brentford of 2-3 years ago, but both clubs fish in very different waters now. Brighton for example signed 7 players for 20m or more in the past year.AndyG said:Unfortunately I think Miles will be off at the end of the season regardless of where we end up. Someone like Brentford or Brighton will take a punt on him but for nowhere near the money being mentioned on here unless he goes on a goal scoring streak for the remainder of the season
Brighton just bought a 19 year old Greek striker for 20m in January.
Alex Fynn says that "pyramid" is not a good description for the English league structure any more. He prefers (as I recall the words "Tower block with huge penthouses at the top, supported by very shaky foundations below it"0 -
The amount of stick our young players get yet you'd all be bitching if he were to jump ship at the first opportunity, Who'd blame him with the majority of you fickle fuckers!7
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Kid who's been out for a year, played less then 100 games in total for the club, and is still 1 in 3, getting shit from odd people on a forum with ideas that he should be performing at the same level as someone in their mid late 20s, is just fucking weird19
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I don’t think anyone is giving the lad stick I’m certainly not. All I’m saying is that the expected valuations banded about on here of £10m etc are imo vastly over the oddsRothko said:Kid who's been out for a year, played less then 100 games in total for the club, and is still 1 in 3, getting shit from odd people on a forum with ideas that he should be performing at the same level as someone in their mid late 20s, is just fucking weird4 -
What can happen is people look at a striker and think about duels with a centre half when a striker like Leaburn makes a fair number of defensive headers which count and so they should. It irritated me that Stockley didn't get the credit from some he should have for his defensive importance.0
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Elthamaddick said:agree with comments above, he needs to develop an aggressive/nasty streak.
he was totally bullied by Stockport and spent most of the game complaining to the ref, instead of that - give it back x10, he's big and strong enough but doesn't 'put himself about' anywhere near enough yet
I'm hoping that comes, he needs a Danny Hylton 'dark arts' courseI disagree with "aggressive/nasty" and "giving it back x10" as it runs the risk of him racking up the bookings and sendings off the way Chuks did a few years ago. There's a danger that the ref's will go into "pick on someone your own size" mode and penalise him more just because he's bigger than the centre back who's been trying to take his shirt off him all game. He just needs to be more assertive - standing his ground and using his physicality to his advantage. It's the difference between being Joe Gomez and Raheem Sterling, in terms of temperament, not goal-scoring prowess obviously
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killerandflash said:
IndeedScoham said:
All three who are very experienced players with well over 1,000 appearances between them.killerandflash said:I'm not sure the absolute NUMBER of headers won is that meaningful an individual stat, as it's more a sign of how a team plays. We're more direct than some of the other, so the No 9 will have more headers than if he played for a tiki-taka team.
The win/loss ratio is a better indicator, it's just better than 50/50, which definitely puts him at the higher end, but behind real aerial beasts like Wootton, Palmer and Steven Fletcher.
My concern with Miles this season, isn't his aerial ability, but that he seems to have lost some zip in his legs. A couple of seasons ago he was brisk enough to play as a right winger in a 433, and it was that which made him such a good prospect.
He definitely looks a tad slower than when he first came into the team and zip is a good way to describe it. Both Leaburn and Kanu were decent athletes and personally I'm disappointed that Daniel isn't making the bench as he is quick off the mark as he proved when he came on at the valley and did runs that only TC can replicate out of the forwards.
"Good touch for a big man" is still true for Miles but has anyone considered that going from 6ft 4in to 6ft 6in plus the 3 injuries may have added to young Miles not seeming to be as quick as when he was 18 ? He can still have a very good career and put the injuries behind him what ever his ceiling (needs to be high !)2 -
If Stockley wasn’t complete and utter dog turd at his job as a striker, he probably would have got more credit for his defensive contributions.MuttleyCAFC said:What can happen is people look at a striker and think about duels with a centre half when a striker like Leaburn makes a fair number of defensive headers which count and so they should. It irritated me that Stockley didn't get the credit from some he should have for his defensive importance.1 -
Generally, a defensive header is much easier than a forward header - always has been, always will be6
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Unless you're Yann. He seemed to win everything in the air.DOUCHER said:Generally, a defensive header is much easier than a forward header - always has been, always will be0 - Sponsored links:
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arny23394 said:
If Stockley wasn’t complete and utter dog turd at his job as a striker, he probably would have got more credit for his defensive contributions.MuttleyCAFC said:What can happen is people look at a striker and think about duels with a centre half when a striker like Leaburn makes a fair number of defensive headers which count and so they should. It irritated me that Stockley didn't get the credit from some he should have for his defensive importance.
So the season he had 20 goals from 38 matches for CAFC in all competitions and he missed 6 weeks of the season, "he was utter dog turd" in your opinion.
Or in the 2017/18 and into the 18/19 for Exeter when he scored 36 goals in 66 apps with the most headed goals in 12 months in the EFL before getting a move to Preston in the Championship for a decent contract.
Jayden had his limitations obviously like so many big strikers in the lower divisions that don't have pace but his Career at CAFC never recovered from the Garner era when he wanted Stockley to play like Harry Kane and drop deep and lay the ball off before making runs into the box.
If you were watching you would've seen ball flying over his head and he showed his anger at the lack of quality.
At 31 he is still earning a decent living in football with Port Vale so not a bad life in my opinion for a Journeyman footballer who knew his limitations but some teams including CAFC tried to take away his main weapon which was his heading ability.
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Didnt he havs a significant back injury before which he was decent and after which he was not?4
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In December he won EFL Young Player of the Month (not just League One - the whole EFL):
A few games ago he did this:
Then, a 21 year old, who is only a few months into restarting his career after a year out injured, has a couple of slightly off games (one of which the ref allowed him to be virtually rugby tackled by the opposition defence everytime the ball went near him) and the usual mob are on here knocking him down. This place does my head in sometimes.18 -
7 of those coming against the mighty Gateshead, Havant & Waterlooville, Aston Villa u23s & Southampton u23s. 13 in 33 league games is a decent return, but the team was set up to put balls into the box for him + he was on penalties. He was nowhere near good enough, hence why he’s back in league 2, which is where he’s played the majority of his games.soapboxsam said:arny23394 said:
If Stockley wasn’t complete and utter dog turd at his job as a striker, he probably would have got more credit for his defensive contributions.MuttleyCAFC said:What can happen is people look at a striker and think about duels with a centre half when a striker like Leaburn makes a fair number of defensive headers which count and so they should. It irritated me that Stockley didn't get the credit from some he should have for his defensive importance.
So the season he had 20 goals from 38 matches for CAFC in all competitions and he missed 6 weeks of the season, "he was utter dog turd" in your opinion.
Or in the 2017/18 and into the 18/19 for Exeter when he scored 36 goals in 66 apps with the most headed goals in 12 months in the EFL before getting a move to Preston in the Championship for a decent contract.
Jayden had his limitations obviously like so many big strikers in the lower divisions that don't have pace but his Career at CAFC never recovered from the Garner era when he wanted Stockley to play like Harry Kane and drop deep and lay the ball off before making runs into the box.
If you were watching you would've seen ball flying over his head and he showed his anger at the lack of quality.
At 31 he is still earning a decent living in football with Port Vale so not a bad life in my opinion for a Journeyman footballer who knew his limitations but some teams including CAFC tried to take away his main weapon which was his heading ability.2 -
For comparison, at the same age Godden was playing in the 5th tier and later had to drop to the 6th tier before eventually getting into L2.Exiled_Addick said:In December he won EFL Young Player of the Month (not just League One - the whole EFL):
A few games ago he did this:
Then, a 21 year old, who is only a few months into restarting his career after a year out injured, has a couple of slightly off games (one of which the ref allowed him to be virtually rugby tackled by the opposition defence everytime the ball went near him) and the usual mob are on here knocking him down. This place does my head in sometimes.
May was playing even lower, in 9th tier from what I can tell, possibly the 10th.
Both are rightly seen as natural goalscorers, but they both may have struggled had they been thrown in at L1 level at 21. If Leaburn gets scoring again he could have scored double figures in the league by the end of the season.8 -
Stockley's final season with us was one of the most unimpressive bodies of work I've ever seen from a first-pick Charlton player. Bottom five of my time4
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I’d regularly laugh out loud at his first touch and misplaced 5 yard passes. If I had a list of people I’d want starting up top for us in a Ben Garner side that wanted to play out and keep it on the deck, he’d be somewhere below Heather Mills and Harvey Price.Leuth said:Stockley's final season with us was one of the most unimpressive bodies of work I've ever seen from a first-pick Charlton player. Bottom five of my time2 -
Sometimes I remember I was at this game and I scream and scream and scream
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(and that was Stockley's 'good' season ffs)0
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Criticising a poor performance is acceptable for all players, Miles Leaburn is not exempt from that, its a shame people cant have genuine discussions around the young lads ability, potential and weaknesses of his game without the "usual mob" taking it as some sort of personal insult.
Think I'll just stick the the match threads.4 - Sponsored links:
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There has to be hate. What do you do with yourself if you can't call a professional footballer dogshit or say that he's stealing a living? I don't know if it's just the way online football fans are now, if it's linked to our years of trauma or both but you always have to be able to go slightly over the top with criticism of a footballer or the earth will collapse or somethingExiled_Addick said:In December he won EFL Young Player of the Month (not just League One - the whole EFL):
A few games ago he did this:
Then, a 21 year old, who is only a few months into restarting his career after a year out injured, has a couple of slightly off games (one of which the ref allowed him to be virtually rugby tackled by the opposition defence everytime the ball went near him) and the usual mob are on here knocking him down. This place does my head in sometimes.2 -
This is a really good point. Last season there were a couple of games where the oppo were clearly winding him up and he reacted, both to them and to the ref.. At least once he got booked as a result. This year that side of him isn't there. I think his often impassive demeanour which some people see as "not caring enough" or something, is a result of his work on self-discipline. May have been helped by his Dad there. We (of a certain age) all remember Carlo knocked out, coming round and then seeking to smash Steve Wicks during the Battle of the Bridge, but he never did anything like that again. He was pretty disciplined, took it, and dished it out, without getting too many cards. "Assertive" can also mean letting Harry Maguire know you are not intimidated , mind. Ref was Ok with that.aliwibble said:Elthamaddick said:agree with comments above, he needs to develop an aggressive/nasty streak.
he was totally bullied by Stockport and spent most of the game complaining to the ref, instead of that - give it back x10, he's big and strong enough but doesn't 'put himself about' anywhere near enough yet
I'm hoping that comes, he needs a Danny Hylton 'dark arts' courseI disagree with "aggressive/nasty" and "giving it back x10" as it runs the risk of him racking up the bookings and sendings off the way Chuks did a few years ago. There's a danger that the ref's will go into "pick on someone your own size" mode and penalise him more just because he's bigger than the centre back who's been trying to take his shirt off him all game. He just needs to be more assertive - standing his ground and using his physicality to his advantage. It's the difference between being Joe Gomez and Raheem Sterling, in terms of temperament, not goal-scoring prowess obviously2 -
arny23394 said:
7 of those coming against the mighty Gateshead, Havant & Waterlooville, Aston Villa u23s & Southampton u23s. 13 in 33 league games is a decent return, but the team was set up to put balls into the box for him + he was on penalties. He was nowhere near good enough, hence why he’s back in league 2, which is where he’s played the majority of his games.soapboxsam said:arny23394 said:
If Stockley wasn’t complete and utter dog turd at his job as a striker, he probably would have got more credit for his defensive contributions.MuttleyCAFC said:What can happen is people look at a striker and think about duels with a centre half when a striker like Leaburn makes a fair number of defensive headers which count and so they should. It irritated me that Stockley didn't get the credit from some he should have for his defensive importance.
So the season he had 20 goals from 38 matches for CAFC in all competitions and he missed 6 weeks of the season, "he was utter dog turd" in your opinion.
Or in the 2017/18 and into the 18/19 for Exeter when he scored 36 goals in 66 apps with the most headed goals in 12 months in the EFL before getting a move to Preston in the Championship for a decent contract.
Jayden had his limitations obviously like so many big strikers in the lower divisions that don't have pace but his Career at CAFC never recovered from the Garner era when he wanted Stockley to play like Harry Kane and drop deep and lay the ball off before making runs into the box.
If you were watching you would've seen ball flying over his head and he showed his anger at the lack of quality.
At 31 he is still earning a decent living in football with Port Vale so not a bad life in my opinion for a Journeyman footballer who knew his limitations but some teams including CAFC tried to take away his main weapon which was his heading ability.
I did know that but I just wanted you to articulate the reason you thought Stockley was useless.
Saying "utter dog turd" about a professional footballer tells me more about you than Stockley.
My trouble is I want Charlton Life to be different from the cess pit social media sights where hatred festers and grows.
Unfortunately I'm old enough to have been at the Valley when the "Village idiots"* sang in unison "Peter Shaw's a wanker."
Shaw had come to Profession football late at 21 from Staines and was struggling big time but had the character to over come the chants of the sheep to play 105 games for CAFC and 143 games for Gillingham.
A lower league player who got paid for playing football.
I love the English Language and criticism is part and parcel of our daily life and Football forums will reflect the various opinions but can't we try to keep out of the gutter ?
I'm far from woke as some on CL will testify when my cage is rattled !
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Leuth said:Sometimes I remember I was at this game and I scream and scream and scream
Welcome to Charlton Life, Violet Elizabeth Bott.
(Bonny Langford)
Arter, Watson and Gunter had good careers but not by the time they WALKED into CAFC.
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It’s hyperbole, calm down love.soapboxsam said:arny23394 said:
7 of those coming against the mighty Gateshead, Havant & Waterlooville, Aston Villa u23s & Southampton u23s. 13 in 33 league games is a decent return, but the team was set up to put balls into the box for him + he was on penalties. He was nowhere near good enough, hence why he’s back in league 2, which is where he’s played the majority of his games.soapboxsam said:arny23394 said:
If Stockley wasn’t complete and utter dog turd at his job as a striker, he probably would have got more credit for his defensive contributions.MuttleyCAFC said:What can happen is people look at a striker and think about duels with a centre half when a striker like Leaburn makes a fair number of defensive headers which count and so they should. It irritated me that Stockley didn't get the credit from some he should have for his defensive importance.
So the season he had 20 goals from 38 matches for CAFC in all competitions and he missed 6 weeks of the season, "he was utter dog turd" in your opinion.
Or in the 2017/18 and into the 18/19 for Exeter when he scored 36 goals in 66 apps with the most headed goals in 12 months in the EFL before getting a move to Preston in the Championship for a decent contract.
Jayden had his limitations obviously like so many big strikers in the lower divisions that don't have pace but his Career at CAFC never recovered from the Garner era when he wanted Stockley to play like Harry Kane and drop deep and lay the ball off before making runs into the box.
If you were watching you would've seen ball flying over his head and he showed his anger at the lack of quality.
At 31 he is still earning a decent living in football with Port Vale so not a bad life in my opinion for a Journeyman footballer who knew his limitations but some teams including CAFC tried to take away his main weapon which was his heading ability.
I did know that but I just wanted you to articulate the reason you thought Stockley was useless.
Saying "utter dog turd" about a professional footballer tells me more about you than Stockley.
My trouble is I want Charlton Life to be different from the cess pit social media sights where hatred festers and grows.
Unfortunately I'm old enough to have been at the Valley when the "Village idiots"* sang in unison "Peter Shaw's a wanker."
Shaw had come to Profession football late at 21 from Staines and was struggling big time but had the character to over come the chants of the sheep to play 105 games for CAFC and 143 games for Gillingham.
A lower league player who got paid for playing football.
I love the English Language and criticism is part and parcel of our daily life and Football forums will reflect the various opinions but can't we try to keep out of the gutter ?
I'm far from woke as some on CL will testify when my cage is rattled !
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Am a massive fan of Miles's and we all want to see him thrive in a Charlton shirt and I am sure he will but,
This quote from Godden in the SLP shows why Miles perhaps isn't quite making the impact he is capable of. When he is playing, it is often instead of Godden and he hasn't got that poacher's instinct that Godden has, but equally, he's not the one attacking the ball when it goes in the box.
Feels slightly like the games are bypassing him a bit at the minute. He still has a big role to play though.2 -
I will put it out there, i genuinely believe this kid will play PL football consistently and will win a cap for England, that's how much i rate him.11
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The good thing for Miles is for the first time in a Charlton shirt he is playing in a team that is winning and trying for promotion to the second tier. It must be a world apart from previous seasons. All of this is a learning curve, the pressure and expectation along with the journey back from injury.I'm think it is unfair to compare to Godden or May, they are at different stages in their careers and very different trajectories.If we can get promoted this year, I hope he can stay with us in the Championship and developed further. You can see from his last goal what a talent we have, he is still working towards the finished article, and I am sure we will see him improve further. He has already mentioned in interviews the support from more senior players such as Chuks, and I am sure with Godden and Hylton are also helping him develop.The more he adds to.his game the better. Position and guile will come with experience. He already knows how to score.The guy is still only 21.4
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Leuth said:Stockley's final season with us was one of the most unimpressive bodies of work I've ever seen from a first-pick Charlton player. Bottom five of my time
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i knew this would get some LOL's but i genuinely believe it, that much that i've put money on it. how many 6ft6+ strikers are there out there who were doing what he does and has done at his age? infact, how many 21 year olds have his Games to goals ratio at that age in any division in the last 10 years? 90 games for charlton, 38 goal contributions, that is fucking incredible, even for league one at that age. to put it into perspective, here are some stats of up and coming and previous young goalscorers from the champ and L1;CAFCDAZ said:I will put it out there, i genuinely believe this kid will play PL football consistently and will win a cap for England, that's how much i rate him.First 3 full professional seasons -
Miles Leaburn - 90 games - 30 goals - 8 assists
Ivan Toney – 62 games – 13 goals – 4 assists
Dom Ballard – Reading – 36 games – 5 goals (L1 and Champ)
Charlie Kelman - 58 games – 9 goals – 1 assist (Champ & L1)
Ricky jade jones – Peterborough – 52 games – 4 goals – 3 assists (L1 and Champ)
Adam Armstrong – 120 games – 38 goals – 11 assist
Joe Gelhardt – 53g – 6goals – 10 assists (predominately PL and Champ)
Jobe Bellingham – 103 games – 11 gaols – 4 assists (all Champ)
Ademola Lookman – 60 games – 15 goals – 2 assists (champ & PL)
Karlan Grant – 103 games – 30 goals – 9 assists (L1 & Champ)
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