Miles Leaburn - Signs New 3 Year Contract (p77)

Kid who's been out for a year, played less then 100 games in total for the club, and is still 1 in 3, getting shit from odd people on a forum with ideas that he should be performing at the same level as someone in their mid late 20s, is just fucking weird

What can happen is people look at a striker and think about duels with a centre half when a striker like Leaburn makes a fair number of defensive headers which count and so they should. It irritated me that Stockley didn't get the credit from some he should have for his defensive importance.

killerandflash said:

Scoham said:

killerandflash said:

I'm not sure the absolute NUMBER of headers won is that meaningful an individual stat, as it's more a sign of how a team plays. We're more direct than some of the other, so the No 9 will have more headers than if he played for a tiki-taka team.

The win/loss ratio is a better indicator, it's just better than 50/50, which definitely puts him at the higher end, but behind real aerial beasts like Wootton, Palmer and Steven Fletcher. 

All three who are very experienced players with well over 1,000 appearances between them.

Indeed

My concern with Miles this season, isn't his aerial ability, but that he seems to have lost some zip in his legs. A couple of seasons ago he was brisk enough to play as a right winger in a 433, and it was that which made him such a good prospect.

He definitely looks a tad slower than when he first came into the team and zip is a good way to describe it. Both Leaburn and Kanu were decent athletes and personally I'm disappointed that Daniel isn't making the bench as he is quick off the mark as he proved when he came on at the valley and did runs that only TC can replicate out of the forwards. 

"Good touch for a big man" is still true for Miles but has anyone considered that going from 6ft 4in to 6ft 6in plus the 3 injuries may have added to young Miles not seeming to be as quick as when he was 18 ? He can still have a very good career and put the injuries behind him what ever his ceiling (needs to be high !)

Generally, a defensive header is much easier than a forward header - always has been, always will be 

arny23394 said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

What can happen is people look at a striker and think about duels with a centre half when a striker like Leaburn makes a fair number of defensive headers which count and so they should. It irritated me that Stockley didn't get the credit from some he should have for his defensive importance.

If Stockley wasn’t complete and utter dog turd at his job as a striker, he probably would have got more credit for his defensive contributions.

So the season he had 20 goals from 38 matches for CAFC in all competitions  and he missed 6 weeks of the season, "he was utter dog turd"  in your opinion. 
Or in the 2017/18 and into the 18/19 for Exeter when he scored 36 goals in 66 apps with the most headed goals in 12 months in the EFL before getting a move to Preston in the Championship for a decent contract.

Jayden had his limitations obviously like so many big strikers in the lower divisions that don't have pace but his Career at CAFC never recovered from the Garner era when he wanted Stockley to play like Harry Kane and drop deep and lay the ball off  before making runs into the box.
If you were watching you would've seen ball flying over his head and he showed his anger at the lack of quality.

At 31 he is still earning a decent living in football with Port Vale so not a bad life in my opinion for a Journeyman footballer who knew his limitations but some teams including CAFC tried to take away his main weapon which was his heading ability.

In December he won EFL Young Player of the Month (not just League One - the whole EFL):

A few games ago he did this:



Then, a 21 year old, who is only a few months into restarting his career after a year out injured, has a couple of slightly off games (one of which the ref allowed him to be virtually rugby tackled by the opposition defence everytime the ball went near him) and the usual mob are on here knocking him down. This place does my head in sometimes.

Exiled_Addick said:

In December he won EFL Young Player of the Month (not just League One - the whole EFL):

A few games ago he did this:



Then, a 21 year old, who is only a few months into restarting his career after a year out injured, has a couple of slightly off games (one of which the ref allowed him to be virtually rugby tackled by the opposition defence everytime the ball went near him) and the usual mob are on here knocking him down. This place does my head in sometimes.

For comparison, at the same age Godden was playing in the 5th tier and later had to drop to the 6th tier before eventually getting into L2.

May was playing even lower, in 9th tier from what I can tell, possibly the 10th.

Both are rightly seen as natural goalscorers, but they both may have struggled had they been thrown in at L1 level at 21. If Leaburn gets scoring again he could have scored double figures in the league by the end of the season.

Leuth said:

Stockley's final season with us was one of the most unimpressive bodies of work I've ever seen from a first-pick Charlton player. Bottom five of my time

I’d regularly laugh out loud at his first touch and misplaced 5 yard passes. If I had a list of people I’d want starting up top for us in a Ben Garner side that wanted to play out and keep it on the deck, he’d be somewhere below Heather Mills and Harvey Price.

(and that was Stockley's 'good' season ffs) 

Exiled_Addick said:

In December he won EFL Young Player of the Month (not just League One - the whole EFL):

A few games ago he did this:



Then, a 21 year old, who is only a few months into restarting his career after a year out injured, has a couple of slightly off games (one of which the ref allowed him to be virtually rugby tackled by the opposition defence everytime the ball went near him) and the usual mob are on here knocking him down. This place does my head in sometimes.

There has to be hate. What do you do with yourself if you can't call a professional footballer dogshit or say that he's stealing a living? I don't know if it's just the way online football fans are now, if it's linked to our years of trauma or both but you always have to be able to go slightly over the top with criticism of a footballer or the earth will collapse or something

arny23394 said:

soapboxsam said:

arny23394 said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

What can happen is people look at a striker and think about duels with a centre half when a striker like Leaburn makes a fair number of defensive headers which count and so they should. It irritated me that Stockley didn't get the credit from some he should have for his defensive importance.

If Stockley wasn’t complete and utter dog turd at his job as a striker, he probably would have got more credit for his defensive contributions.

So the season he had 20 goals from 38 matches for CAFC in all competitions  and he missed 6 weeks of the season, "he was utter dog turd"  in your opinion. 
Or in the 2017/18 and into the 18/19 for Exeter when he scored 36 goals in 66 apps with the most headed goals in 12 months in the EFL before getting a move to Preston in the Championship for a decent contract.

Jayden had his limitations obviously like so many big strikers in the lower divisions that don't have pace but his Career at CAFC never recovered from the Garner era when he wanted Stockley to play like Harry Kane and drop deep and lay the ball off  before making runs into the box.
If you were watching you would've seen ball flying over his head and he showed his anger at the lack of quality.

At 31 he is still earning a decent living in football with Port Vale so not a bad life in my opinion for a Journeyman footballer who knew his limitations but some teams including CAFC tried to take away his main weapon which was his heading ability.

7 of those coming against the mighty Gateshead, Havant & Waterlooville, Aston Villa u23s & Southampton u23s. 13 in 33 league games is a decent return, but the team was set up to put balls into the box for him + he was on penalties. He was nowhere near good enough, hence why he’s back in league 2, which is where he’s played the majority of his games.

I did know that but I just wanted you to articulate the reason you thought Stockley was useless. 

Saying "utter dog turd" about a professional footballer tells me more about you than Stockley.

My trouble is I want Charlton Life to be different from the cess pit social media sights where hatred festers and grows.

Unfortunately I'm old enough to have been at the Valley when the "Village idiots"* sang in unison "Peter Shaw's a wanker." 

Shaw had come to Profession football late at 21 from Staines and was struggling big time but had the character to over come the chants of the sheep to play 105 games for CAFC and 143 games for Gillingham.
A lower league player who got paid for playing football.

I love the English Language and criticism is part and parcel of our daily life and Football forums will reflect the various opinions but can't we try to keep out of the gutter ?

I'm far from woke as some on CL will testify when my cage is rattled !

*Andy Nelson's reaction to the abuse.

soapboxsam said:

arny23394 said:

soapboxsam said:

arny23394 said:

MuttleyCAFC said:

What can happen is people look at a striker and think about duels with a centre half when a striker like Leaburn makes a fair number of defensive headers which count and so they should. It irritated me that Stockley didn't get the credit from some he should have for his defensive importance.

If Stockley wasn’t complete and utter dog turd at his job as a striker, he probably would have got more credit for his defensive contributions.

So the season he had 20 goals from 38 matches for CAFC in all competitions  and he missed 6 weeks of the season, "he was utter dog turd"  in your opinion. 
Or in the 2017/18 and into the 18/19 for Exeter when he scored 36 goals in 66 apps with the most headed goals in 12 months in the EFL before getting a move to Preston in the Championship for a decent contract.

Jayden had his limitations obviously like so many big strikers in the lower divisions that don't have pace but his Career at CAFC never recovered from the Garner era when he wanted Stockley to play like Harry Kane and drop deep and lay the ball off  before making runs into the box.
If you were watching you would've seen ball flying over his head and he showed his anger at the lack of quality.

At 31 he is still earning a decent living in football with Port Vale so not a bad life in my opinion for a Journeyman footballer who knew his limitations but some teams including CAFC tried to take away his main weapon which was his heading ability.

7 of those coming against the mighty Gateshead, Havant & Waterlooville, Aston Villa u23s & Southampton u23s. 13 in 33 league games is a decent return, but the team was set up to put balls into the box for him + he was on penalties. He was nowhere near good enough, hence why he’s back in league 2, which is where he’s played the majority of his games.

I did know that but I just wanted you to articulate the reason you thought Stockley was useless. 

Saying "utter dog turd" about a professional footballer tells me more about you than Stockley.

My trouble is I want Charlton Life to be different from the cess pit social media sights where hatred festers and grows.

Unfortunately I'm old enough to have been at the Valley when the "Village idiots"* sang in unison "Peter Shaw's a wanker." 

Shaw had come to Profession football late at 21 from Staines and was struggling big time but had the character to over come the chants of the sheep to play 105 games for CAFC and 143 games for Gillingham.
A lower league player who got paid for playing football.

I love the English Language and criticism is part and parcel of our daily life and Football forums will reflect the various opinions but can't we try to keep out of the gutter ?

I'm far from woke as some on CL will testify when my cage is rattled !

*Andy Nelson's reaction to the abuse.

It’s hyperbole, calm down love.

I will put it out there, i genuinely believe this kid will play PL football consistently and will win a cap for England, that's how much i rate him. 

Leuth said:

Stockley's final season with us was one of the most unimpressive bodies of work I've ever seen from a first-pick Charlton player. Bottom five of my time