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Alfie May- Progress at Birmingham

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  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    Radostanradical said:
    Braziliance said:
    No there was definitely some posts insinuating that May and Dobson were a part of our low league finish to take some credit away from them. 

    Along the lines of "all his goals but lead to nothing" etc.

    That isn't a fabrication, there were posts of that nature. 
    Well to that I say see my previous posts for a true and reflection on Alfie's short time here.

    Then once everyone has read what we can all agree is the truth, we can probably just close this thread.

    However you do seem to be changing the goal posts now your first point was that some were saying we finished low because of May and Dobbo (which is of course untrue, they were why we didnt get relegated).

    Then now say some are insinuating that Dobbo and May were part of our lower finish to take credit away from them (which is undeniably true). Which is it ? The fact of the matter is we are a better team for decisions that NJ made and one of those was letting May go, whether we would of been better had he stayed we will never know (personally I doubt it its likely we would of had an unhappy dressing room from what's been said by people who seem to know Alfie personally).
    "Some posters were trying to associate our poor finish with them two of course though."

    No goal posts moved here. There were posters implying moving them on wasn't the end of the world as they were still a part of a dreadful team. 

    Are we a better team? Yes.

    Is that because we specifically lost May and Dobson? No. We would be an even better team if they were still here. 

    There were posters so desperate to be right on a footballing forum they were more or less discrediting how impactful those two were for us. It was a bit ridiculous.

    One is now promoted as a key player in his side (not my words), the other may do the same soon. 
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,055
    Don’t think there were many discrediting their impact but just saying they weren’t necessarily the right fit for a Nathan Jones team, that they’ve done well at a different club doesn’t change that 
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,319
    edited April 10
    Why the desperation for people to points score all of a sudden again?

    Should we go back to the comments surrounding Nathan Jones' ability as a Manager pre-Crawley for a bit of balance - Or even the first three f**king games, when I recall posters on here saying that we weren't creating enough, in time would show itself, and we'd slip away.

    Football fans get it wrong in shock horror... More news at 10... 
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,527
    Don't ya just love it when a thread goes so well...🤦‍♂️
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,044
    eastterrace6168 said:
    Don't ya just love it when a thread goes so well...🤦‍♂️
    Some here could have a fight in an empty room.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    fenaddick said:
    Don’t think there were many discrediting their impact but just saying they weren’t necessarily the right fit for a Nathan Jones team, that they’ve done well at a different club doesn’t change that 
    So waffle one way or another, as per.
  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,055
    Braziliance said:
    fenaddick said:
    Don’t think there were many discrediting their impact but just saying they weren’t necessarily the right fit for a Nathan Jones team, that they’ve done well at a different club doesn’t change that 
    So waffle one way or another, as per.
    Or just differing opinions?
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 36,015
    Braziliance said:
    No there was definitely some posts insinuating that May and Dobson were a part of our low league finish to take some credit away from them. 

    Along the lines of "all his goals but lead to nothing" etc.

    That isn't a fabrication, there were posts of that nature. 
    Agreed there were definitely some posters who weren't fussed about Dobson going as he was 'just a half decent player in a poor team'.

    Surely logic then suggests that half decent player would be better in a better team?

    But what's done is done, he's moved on and we're a better team now. However I don't think anyone could argue we'd have a better squad though if he was still here.
  • CAFCsayer
    CAFCsayer Posts: 10,224
    fenaddick said:
    Don’t think there were many discrediting their impact but just saying they weren’t necessarily the right fit for a Nathan Jones team, that they’ve done well at a different club doesn’t change that 
    Id argue that Dobbo is about as much of a Nathan Jones type player as it gets
  • thenewbie
    thenewbie Posts: 11,001
    CAFCsayer said:
    fenaddick said:
    Don’t think there were many discrediting their impact but just saying they weren’t necessarily the right fit for a Nathan Jones team, that they’ve done well at a different club doesn’t change that 
    Id argue that Dobbo is about as much of a Nathan Jones type player as it gets
    Well yes. But Dobson was gone thanks to Scott before Jones ever came in, we only got the last half a season from him because Jones put his foot down. Dobson stays and we probably don't sign Doherty.

    May leaving was (at least partly) on Jones, Dobson wasn't, they're not the same situation for me.
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  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    fenaddick said:
    Braziliance said:
    fenaddick said:
    Don’t think there were many discrediting their impact but just saying they weren’t necessarily the right fit for a Nathan Jones team, that they’ve done well at a different club doesn’t change that 
    So waffle one way or another, as per.
    Or just differing opinions?
    Na, Alfie and Dobbo were painted a certain way just for people to appear right on a footballing forum. 

    Both have immense work rates, both perform in their roles, both are leaders on the pitch and both have the winning mentality Bowyer used to preach about. They were the epitome of what you expected from a Charlton player. 

    One is going up, the other is looking likely to. It's very obvious they were never the problem, and that view was so wide of the mark it was a joke. 

    So as for not being 'right fits' it is pure waffle. Dobson is exactly the player Jones likes, and so is Alfie, minus the alleged bad attitude, which is exactly that, alleged. 

    Now I've seen the figures, the more likely reasoning is that we had f all money and May was the best way to claw some back. 

    I don't believe for even a second that if you offered Jones May now till the end of the season, he would say he's not the right fit. Even he's not that mental. 

    Probably a case of not wanting to undermine his employers, which is the vast majority of the population, I don't blame him.

    So to take it back, there were people who tried to take away from Dobson & May, and what they achieved here (particularly Dobson) turns out it was a load of waffle. All there is to it. Not opinions now, backed up with results. 

    We are only a better side because other players have joined/improved and we have a very decent manager. Nothing to do with those two, they'd have thrived in this team/setup.
  • Croydon
    Croydon Posts: 12,728
    'May only scores penalties' was another classic earlier on this thread. 

    Nothing wrong with differing opinions but when you turn out to be wrong, you should  expect to be called out on it. 

  • fenaddick
    fenaddick Posts: 11,055
    I agree that Dobson fits in a Jones side but claiming May does is wilfully ignoring all the falling out we witnessed with our own eyes at the end of last season
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,171
    It's weird, this thread was completely dead between 19th-29th March when May wasn't scoring and Godden was but now May has scored a few again, Birmingham have gone up and it's looking unlikely we'll get 2nd it's revved back up with people re-tantruming about him (and somehow Dobson?!) leaving last summer. Some people's desire to repeatedly publicly punch themselves in the dick on here is bizarre. May's gone. Dobson's gone. We're in the Playoff spots and having a good season so far, one that could end up very successful. Might be nice just to enjoy it rather than dig out imaginary posts about how Dobson was the problem all along from last season. I'm beginning to think if we won the league with a perfect season there would be threads on here digging people out for not complaining that the shirt was the wrong shade of red
  • Addick Addict
    Addick Addict Posts: 39,792
    fenaddick said:
    I agree that Dobson fits in a Jones side but claiming May does is wilfully ignoring all the falling out we witnessed with our own eyes at the end of last season
    Agreed. It's interesting that, given the fact that May has contributed 8 assists this season in addition to his 15 goals, he has become a more rounded player and thrived in the roles he has been asked to perform. This was clearly a clash of personalities. The best managers adapt to the players he has in his charge - knowing what gets the best out of them. Jones needs everyone on board to his way of doing things and with the same voice which is why he was so successful at Luton but failed at Stoke and Southampton.

    That said, some players shut their ears to the noise coming from the manager so they certainly aren't immune to criticism. Birmingham's coach, Chris Davis, is a totally different animal to Jones. Davis had to retire at 19 from playing and studied for his UEFA coaching licences while studying at Loughborough University where he obtained a first-class honours degree in Sport Science. He worked with Brendan Rogers at Swansea, Liverpool, Celtic and Leicester and then with Postecoglu in his first season at Spurs. He's a more relaxed character but that's not to say that he won't have weaknesses too. But he's more Eddie Howe than Jose Mourinho. 

    The strength of Davis has been to get the best out of May and to make him understand why he would only been starting two thirds of matches and have to play a different role. Would May have been happy starting just 24 of 40 matches with us? Would he have had 23 goal involvements with us under Jones doing that? We'll never know but the fact that the relationship had broken down suggests that he would not have performed to his best and in those circumstances it is best to part company. We also have to appreciate that it's far easier to sell a job to a player on a lot more money and with the bloke keeping him out of the team costing up to £10m. 
  • wmcf123
    wmcf123 Posts: 5,824
    fenaddick said:
    Don’t think there were many discrediting their impact but just saying they weren’t necessarily the right fit for a Nathan Jones team, that they’ve done well at a different club doesn’t change that 
    Dobbo is a far better player than Docherty; that midfield is still our weakest area IMO, as willing as GD is .  Coventry has been consistent - in this system, the two of them could have played together . 
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    Garrymanilow said:
    It's weird, this thread was completely dead between 19th-29th March when May wasn't scoring and Godden was but now May has scored a few again, Birmingham have gone up and it's looking unlikely we'll get 2nd it's revved back up with people re-tantruming about him (and somehow Dobson?!) leaving last summer. Some people's desire to repeatedly publicly punch themselves in the dick on here is bizarre. May's gone. Dobson's gone. We're in the Playoff spots and having a good season so far, one that could end up very successful. Might be nice just to enjoy it rather than dig out imaginary posts about how Dobson was the problem all along from last season. I'm beginning to think if we won the league with a perfect season there would be threads on here digging people out for not complaining that the shirt was the wrong shade of red
    Dead because our season and how well it's been going has been the focus, now that Birmingham are up, it's a talking point again, especially with Mays contributions. Isn't that hard to work out. 

    There was no imaginary posts, myself and others clearly remember these posts, I ain't going to go dig them up, far better things to do (watching a fantastic show about a tattoo competition) 

    Alfie May progress at Birmingham -  very good, league 1 struggler to league 1 champion
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,766
    edited April 11
    Birmingham would have won the league at a canter with or without May.

    Wrexham have been using Dobson as a more advanced right-sided midfielder, like NJ did in the second half of last season (& kinda like Doc this season), for two reasons: he’s surprisingly effective going forward and to cover for his positioning deficiencies as a defensive minded player.


    Will be interested to see how both get on at the next level.
  • eastterrace6168
    eastterrace6168 Posts: 22,527
    It looks likely that Wrexham will join Birmingham in going up...whether May and Dobson do is debatable...🙄
  • Garrymanilow
    Garrymanilow Posts: 13,171
    edited April 11
    Braziliance said:
    Garrymanilow said:
    It's weird, this thread was completely dead between 19th-29th March when May wasn't scoring and Godden was but now May has scored a few again, Birmingham have gone up and it's looking unlikely we'll get 2nd it's revved back up with people re-tantruming about him (and somehow Dobson?!) leaving last summer. Some people's desire to repeatedly publicly punch themselves in the dick on here is bizarre. May's gone. Dobson's gone. We're in the Playoff spots and having a good season so far, one that could end up very successful. Might be nice just to enjoy it rather than dig out imaginary posts about how Dobson was the problem all along from last season. I'm beginning to think if we won the league with a perfect season there would be threads on here digging people out for not complaining that the shirt was the wrong shade of red
    Dead because our season and how well it's been going has been the focus, now that Birmingham are up, it's a talking point again, especially with Mays contributions. Isn't that hard to work out. 

    There was no imaginary posts, myself and others clearly remember these posts, I ain't going to go dig them up, far better things to do (watching a fantastic show about a tattoo competition) 

    Alfie May progress at Birmingham -  very good, league 1 struggler to league 1 champion
    Do these posts go to a different school so we wouldn't know them?

    Regardless of that though, I'm sure you can find a post saying more or less anything on here from one poster or another about any topic, people pretending there was some kind of ongoing narrative on here so they can say I told you so to no-one in particular is just weird behaviour. It used to be that we got those kinds of narratives from external sources like the 'Charlton fans wanted Curbishley out' nonsense but it's weirder when the call is coming from inside the house. But hey ho, I guess that's just increasingly the nature of football discourse these days
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  • oohaahmortimer
    oohaahmortimer Posts: 34,149
    League one junk all of em until they’re in the Championship
    wank season , till we’re in the championship 
    utter shit , until we’re in the championship 
  • Radostanradical
    Radostanradical Posts: 844
    edited April 11
    Braziliance said:
    Radostanradical said:
    Braziliance said:
    No there was definitely some posts insinuating that May and Dobson were a part of our low league finish to take some credit away from them. 

    Along the lines of "all his goals but lead to nothing" etc.

    That isn't a fabrication, there were posts of that nature. 
    Well to that I say see my previous posts for a true and reflection on Alfie's short time here.

    Then once everyone has read what we can all agree is the truth, we can probably just close this thread.

    However you do seem to be changing the goal posts now your first point was that some were saying we finished low because of May and Dobbo (which is of course untrue, they were why we didnt get relegated).

    Then now say some are insinuating that Dobbo and May were part of our lower finish to take credit away from them (which is undeniably true). Which is it ? The fact of the matter is we are a better team for decisions that NJ made and one of those was letting May go, whether we would of been better had he stayed we will never know (personally I doubt it its likely we would of had an unhappy dressing room from what's been said by people who seem to know Alfie personally).
    "Some posters were trying to associate our poor finish with them two of course though."

    No goal posts moved here. There were posters implying moving them on wasn't the end of the world as they were still a part of a dreadful team. 

    Are we a better team? Yes.

    Is that because we specifically lost May and Dobson? No. We would be an even better team if they were still here. 

    There were posters so desperate to be right on a footballing forum they were more or less discrediting how impactful those two were for us. It was a bit ridiculous.

    One is now promoted as a key player in his side (not my words), the other may do the same soon. 
    Well we will have to disagree I have seen zero posts claiming Alfie's ability was the problem.

    The Dobbo situation, as another posted previously stated, is a completely different one as Jones would of wanted him to stay and there was very little NJ could have done.

    Now you say we are a better team but keeping May would of made us an even better team ? frankly thats an opinion and if you dig deeper clearly a misguided one, let me explain why you are wrong.

    Yes (as I have previously stated) May is one of the best strikers (and probably players) at league One level. However clearly he didnt fit what NJ wanted to do here whether that be his play style or his personality, NJ is a manager who clearly wants everything done his way and there is no way it would have worked with May. All that would of created a situation where the dressing room becomes fractured and the players down tools much like they clearly did with Appleton or perhaps they all side with NJ meaning May is treated as an outcast and not picked but there would be the constant question every time we drop points (which all clubs do) why May isnt playing. A personality clash between a star player and totalitarian manager seldom ever ends well in football.

    All of the above aside the point is mute as I sincerely doubt when the came in for May (which he was always going to have considering his season and ours) he was going to say no thanks ill stay put for another struggle at Charlton, less money and a manager I don't like. 
  • carly burn
    carly burn Posts: 19,459

  • palarsehater
    palarsehater Posts: 12,296
    Actually quite comical that brum lost today I wonder how they will go in the champ next season 
  • SouthWest_Addicks
    SouthWest_Addicks Posts: 6,307
    Really pleased they lost. Hoping somehow they don’t surpass the 103 points to break the L1 points record, but think that’s very unlikely. Need fewer than 8 points in final 6 matches.
  • blackpool72
    blackpool72 Posts: 23,679
    Seriously couldn't give a toss about this result. 

    But I shall be supporting Peterborough on Friday 
  • guinnessaddick
    guinnessaddick Posts: 28,633
    I saw it was kicking off after with the players, you can buy the league but not class.
  • ElfsborgAddick
    ElfsborgAddick Posts: 29,044
    guinnessaddick said:
    I saw it was kicking off after with the players, you can buy the league but not class.
    Nothing changes there, been like that since the mid 80's.
    Robert Hopkin
    Tony Coton
    Noel Blake
    Mark Dennis
    They were very lively.
  • Braziliance
    Braziliance Posts: 8,359
    https://x.com/SkyFootball/status/1911451411780337672?t=mQFjouRZnkD6zDbCTjYZKQ&s=19 

    Surely Birmingham should be docked 30 points minimum for this?  :disappointed:

    Ratty Jay Stansfield pushing a match official, got to receive a ban surely 

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