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Thierry Small - one year option triggered and longer deal under discussion (p11)

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  • edited April 18
    Bailey said:
    Bailey said:
    Oggy Red said:
    fenaddick said:
    He was really good when we got the ball to him, just needs to get involved a bit more somehow
    Perhaps we should be getting the ball to him more often?


    Perhaps he should stop showboating and overplaying, he had plenty of the ball second half with only one cross delivered 

    Embarrassing comment and wrong.
    He put two excellent crosses over, one for Godden's header and another one from the left when Berry etc couldn't get their shot off. I think there was a third cross as well which no one got on the end of.Of course at times he has two left feet and others tmes magic feet.
    I can't add enough that the reason we are doing well in the 2nd half of the season is because of Thierry whether on the left or right and the regular boys at the back, plus the skills of TC who couldn't quite deliver today.

    Both TC and Small are the players who go past defenders and at times they will lose the ball as they both get double marked. 

    Next season Small will be playing higher than league 1; either with or without Charlton.
    The cross for Berry's shot was mishit and went to Berry who was arriving late then managed to get his shot away. The other cross was overhit to the far post. His showboating got him caught when defending second half and he ran the ball out twice when he had a chance to cross. In fairness to him and your comment, him moving onto the right gave us a better attacking impetus and has improved the teams form, but his last three games have not lived up to his early promise, he was non existent against Lincoln and Cambridge, slightly better today when he went left side, but he wasn't in the game first half, although he wasn't alone in that stat. 

    I was in line with that cross from the west stand A block and you are wrong with the ball that went to Berry.
    Did you not notice we kept going down TC's side in the 1st half and TS opportunities were limited. Total opposite to the Lincoln 1st half where without TC everything went down the Right side where Small played as a right winger more than a wing back.
    Also superb work to put the short cross onto Godden's head who really should have buried that header as he had lost his marker.Thierry is physical and strong.

    He is erratic but just like against Lincoln when he was doubled marked he can still get past players but he will run the ball out on occasions but both Thierry and TC have to be given licence to attack their full backs and when we finally started to use the width of the pitch after 18 odd games of the season we have gone up the table to 4th place and maybe higher ?

    Both Edwards and Ramsey have had excellent seasons when fit but both were not as sharp as normal and the partnerships with TC and Small didn't work that well 1st half but when the wide attacking boys switched sides and Edwards went to LCB we looked more dangerous and just got over the line with the 3 card trick from Mannion to the head of Chuks and a lovely striker's finish from Matty.

    Sets up the clash with the consistent Wycombe who just haven't fallen away as predicted by many on CL.

  • People forget he is only 20.  He is going to make mistakes but has a lot of talent.  If he came through the Academy people on here would be preaching patience or overrating his match scores because of their affinity to the youth setup. 
    Totally agree he is young and will add more to his game for sure, but the stuff he does do atm is class. 
  • Small produced some quality moments today.

    I'm not sure I've seen such an inconsistent player ever play for Charlton though as sometimes he looks Premier League quality, and other times National League South. It's the PL quality moments which will ensure he's in the Championship next season, as coaches will fancy themselves to reduce the non league moments.
    Lloyd Sam, Jerome (latterly - he was good in his first season), Fosu, Mavididi.  Wide players are by nature inconsistent , otherwise they would be playing higher up .  Small is 20, and is playing on the wrong side .  His presence is of huge benefit to us.  The alternative is Watson or take Ramsay out of where he is playing so well; no thanks .  
  • wmcf123 said:
    Small produced some quality moments today.

    I'm not sure I've seen such an inconsistent player ever play for Charlton though as sometimes he looks Premier League quality, and other times National League South. It's the PL quality moments which will ensure he's in the Championship next season, as coaches will fancy themselves to reduce the non league moments.
    Lloyd Sam, Jerome (latterly - he was good in his first season), Fosu, Mavididi.  Wide players are by nature inconsistent , otherwise they would be playing higher up .  Small is 20, and is playing on the wrong side .  His presence is of huge benefit to us.  The alternative is Watson or take Ramsay out of where he is playing so well; no thanks .  
    He will get a regular start and develop his game if he stays with us. Another wrong move and he'll go backwards again.
  • wmcf123 said:
    Small produced some quality moments today.

    I'm not sure I've seen such an inconsistent player ever play for Charlton though as sometimes he looks Premier League quality, and other times National League South. It's the PL quality moments which will ensure he's in the Championship next season, as coaches will fancy themselves to reduce the non league moments.
    Lloyd Sam, Jerome (latterly - he was good in his first season), Fosu, Mavididi.  Wide players are by nature inconsistent , otherwise they would be playing higher up .  Small is 20, and is playing on the wrong side .  His presence is of huge benefit to us.  The alternative is Watson or take Ramsay out of where he is playing so well; no thanks .  
    He will get a regular start and develop his game if he stays with us. Another wrong move and he'll go backwards again.
    That may well be true .  But there are a lot of average left backs playing higher up and I suspect he will fancy his chances , particularly given where he has been in the past .  He will be a loss and will need replacing, which won’t be easy.  
  • Watching him yesterday…… one unbelievable shimmy past defenders down by the tunnel….  how did he do that? And a few minutes later got himself in a muddle and put the ball out for a goal kick.
    i don’t think he knows what’s going to happen next when he strides forwards with the ball….. what is he going to do…… I think it somehow just happens for him?…… so good luck trying to defend against someone so unpredictable and quick with their feet……
  • Watching him yesterday…… one unbelievable shimmy past defenders down by the tunnel….  how did he do that? And a few minutes later got himself in a muddle and put the ball out for a goal kick.
    i don’t think he knows what’s going to happen next when he strides forwards with the ball….. what is he going to do…… I think it somehow just happens for him?…… so good luck trying to defend against someone so unpredictable and quick with their feet……
    Yeah that's what's exciting about him have no idea how high his Ceiling can be, he can go from doing the most ridiculous bit of skill and beating players to putting a shot in row z or providing a great cross.
  • There is good and bad and he plays to the extremes, but a lot of his negatives are about experience and decision making. Which will come in time. At one stage yesterday he lost the ball and it seemed his head went down and he failed to chase up the lost ball. Unfortunately for him he was right next to N Jones who went apeshit and was then backed up by L Jones. 

    IF we get to Wembley it could suit his game with wider spaces.
  • I did have a chuckle when he had the shot that hit the roof of the Jimmy Seed. 😂
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  • I feel it has always been the case that if we get promoted he will stay if not he will go 
  • I did have a chuckle when he had the shot that hit the roof of the Jimmy Seed. 😂
    I’ve been saying for ages that he is at some point going to cut in and smash one in the top corner of the goal rather than the stand. Maybe he’s saving it for the play offs 

    I much prefer it when he goes outside the full back to cross rather than inside to shoot. He needs to look at TCs recent goals and realise you don’t have to smash it to score from that range and can just place it in the corner 
  • NabySarr said:
    I did have a chuckle when he had the shot that hit the roof of the Jimmy Seed. 😂
    I’ve been saying for ages that he is at some point going to cut in and smash one in the top corner of the goal rather than the stand. Maybe he’s saving it for the play offs 

    I much prefer it when he goes outside the full back to cross rather than inside to shoot. He needs to look at TCs recent goals and realise you don’t have to smash it to score from that range and can just place it in the corner 
    Yesterday's effort at the JS end was even higher than usual!
  • I hope we convince him to stay. Edge of the seat player and first to do that for me since Joe Aribo. Can’t think of many left backs who can cause mayhem going down the right flank. Such a versatile player.
  • He has all the cards including aces and Jokers !
    Thierry Literally operates on the margins and against Lincoln when he played as a right winger as TC didn't play his workload was constant when the penny dropped that Anderson was the wrong replacement for Tyreece.
    Playing by the touch line he will take on players; against Lincoln he went past 3 players and if he can find composure he will find the net not Row Z or yesterday emulate Albie Morgan with hitting the Jimmy Seed board. Running the ball off is the joker in Small's  pack but his magic moments make up with that as we saw yesterday when he could've had two assists but for poor execution in the middle from his crosses.

    Once/IF he can put it all together he will play higher than CAFC unfortunately as he has at 20 the highest ceiling of any of the present squad of players. TC won't  be able to stroll past Championship fullbacks like he can at times in this mediocre league. Both TC and Small will benefit from playing regular in Cafc team rather than to be in the 18 higher up the Pyramid.

    I'm his number 1 fan and Charlton should send his two left feet control or lack of control to suitors so he stays another season and not the good bits of magic. 

    Awesome prospect at 20.

  • edited April 19
    Seems to have a very close friendship with Ramsay, all the players look like they love him, the fans do, come on Thierry, you know it makes sense, stay put at The Valley for a while
  • Probably gets annoyed at the number of people who insist on spelling his buddy Kayne Ramsay's second name wrong. That's the real reason he'll be off at the end of the season.
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