I blame NJ. Being 4-0 up you dont need to bring Chuks on. You bring on a youngster who, if he makes a mistake, is not costly.
I mean....we are always told its not the time to play this player or that player due to pressure...." what if he makes a mistake" / " the pressure will be too much for him".
I get that, but you could also say Chuks is a 31 year old experienced player with over 300 senior appearances and came on for 10-15 minutes in a game in which we were 4-0 up. He should know better.
I think Chucks is to blame but NJ also - Chucks is a vital part of our ‘finishing’ strategy and, knowing how fragile he is and how vital he can be,NJ didn’t need to put him on at 4 up
Yes, I agree, he's definitely going to be a miss in that last 20/30 minutes, I just wish he'd turned his back and walked away when he was able to. I do wonder though whether NJ was hoping he'd make something happen so we'd get another favourable notch or two on our goal difference........ and perhaps he wanted Chuks to end his goal scoring lean spell going into the last games of the season?
I’m a fan of chucks but can’t see him getting another deal and no way should he
Me too, he hasn't been anywhere near the players he was in the past few years for us, it's times to give our thanks and say goodbye. I could see him doing great for someone like AFC Wimbledon if they come up
I’m a fan of chucks but can’t see him getting another deal and no way should he
Me too, he hasn't been anywhere near the players he was in the past few years for us, it's times to give our thanks and say goodbye. I could see him doing great for someone like AFC Wimbledon if they come up
I assume the reason the late action in the game mattered to NJ is that goal difference is still a consideration for us and particularly against Wycombe. We weren’t going to lose but conceding late goals or scoring them could still prove significant.
Plenty having a go at the ref, but in general he had a pretty good game. Aneke made a stupid error. Holds his arms out he gets a foul for being assaulted. The ref however should have been sensible to the situation. Injury time, 4-0 and given a yellow.
Odd that it wasn't over-ruled. There's one camera shot when you see Leahy pushing his chest/head into Chuks and dropping to the ground. He's been a weapon this season, but I'd be surprised if he's here next season. Wouldn't be unhappy if he stayed though.
He's a senior pro. We were 4-0 up. The spat before the incident, which the ref clearly saw was unnecessary. He should've just walked away. Poor from Chuks
So he misses the last 2 games of the season and the first leg of the playoffs? Can't wait for him to pop up in the second leg with a vital goal, it's written in the stars
I get that he's one of ours, so we're generally biased, but some of the comments and reactions on here are truly laughable.
Chuks the angelic choirboy has apparently been dreadfully wronged by a cowardly cheat, an inept ref and an unaccountable and unjust appeal process. It's all perfectly clear, despite the inconclusive (either way) camera footage from 2 different angles.
OK, if you say so!
Well. If I recall he has had three reds while with us, which isnt good. However he has also had one overturned. And if I recall rightly it was for what looked like an elbow when he was challenging for a header. At the time I thought it wouldnt be overturned. It looked way more clear a red than this one. So yes there is an example of hasty decisions against him by refs, and of an inconsistent and *untransparent* appeals system. “Customers”’deserve better.
Amazing to give a red card if you are looking elsewhere when the incident happened. And I don't remember him asking a lino for a second opinion.
they have ear pieces 4th official gets a say and referee Finnie was laughably inconsistent throughout The EFL back their dismal referees unless it is mistaken identity
That’s just not true though is it - Ryan Inniss had a red card rescinded a year or 2 back as it was deemed he hadn’t prevented a goal scoring opportunity by committing the foul.
An independent panel decide as well, not the EFL.
Independent from whom? Independent from the two competing teams, certainly. Independent from the EFL? Not even slightly. This 'panel' is appointed by, remunerated by the EFL who give the panel its terms of reference and the scope of what may be considered in appraising the legitimacy or otherwise of the referee's decision. That is only 'independent' if you are Vladimir Putin or Kim Jong Un. I don't seek to impune the integrity of the individuals but the context in which they are allowed to operate is not independent of the EFL.
We've seen the footage, we've read the eye witness opinion, we know that Leahy is a diver and yet that independent panel declined to rescind the referee's faulty decision. Independent.My.Fat.Arse!
He's a senior pro. We were 4-0 up. The spat before the incident, which the ref clearly saw was unnecessary. He should've just walked away. Poor from Chuks
You could easily say similar about Lloyd Jones getting booked early and being on a tightrope all game.
I blame NJ. Being 4-0 up you dont need to bring Chuks on. You bring on a youngster who, if he makes a mistake, is not costly.
I mean....we are always told its not the time to play this player or that player due to pressure...." what if he makes a mistake" / " the pressure will be too much for him".
It's not fair at all to blame NJ for Chuks' stupidity and we all know he shouldn't have got involved, but i do agree he didn't need to bring Chuks on.
At 1-0 up i'd get it, but at 4-0 up he could've surely brought Mbick on instead to give him a bit more experience.
Goal difference? One more v Wycombe and swings in results needed for it to be relevant would've put us effectively ahead of them and closer to Wrexham who we can pretty much match with a victory tomorrow. Unlikely but could end up being important.
He's a senior pro. We were 4-0 up. The spat before the incident, which the ref clearly saw was unnecessary. He should've just walked away. Poor from Chuks
You could easily say similar about Lloyd Jones getting booked early and being on a tightrope all game.
The referee got it wrong. That is it.
Jones was putting down a marker and letting Kone know he was there. Kone wasn’t in the game after that.
The only person to blame is the ref for getting it wrong.
Players cheat. Managers tell their players to cheat. Coaches coach their players to cheat.
But it's the ref's fault?
It's one of the elements of the modern game I detest - it's why outside of Charlton and my boys team I very rarely watch football.
And when I do watch Charlton it pisses me off as well. Why did Aneke go down holding his face? Because he was cheating. But we defend that cheating and blame the ref?
He's a senior pro. We were 4-0 up. The spat before the incident, which the ref clearly saw was unnecessary. He should've just walked away. Poor from Chuks
You could easily say similar about Lloyd Jones getting booked early and being on a tightrope all game.
The referee got it wrong. That is it.
Jones was putting down a marker and letting Kone know he was there. Kone wasn’t in the game after that.
This was exactly what I said we should do. Kone was the danger man, so smash him in the first 5 minutes, which is what Jones did.
The only person to blame is the ref for getting it wrong.
Players cheat. Managers tell their players to cheat. Coaches coach their players to cheat.
But it's the ref's fault?
It's one of the elements of the modern game I detest - it's why outside of Charlton and my boys team I very rarely watch football.
And when I do watch Charlton it pisses me off as well. Why did Aneke go down holding his face? Because he was cheating. But we defend that cheating and blame the ref?
Most bizarre. If I were Aneke I'd be embarrased.
One of the most annoying things to watch, a player falls down holding his head, the referee has to blow up immediately.
A goalkeeper's favourite stunt when trying to kill time.
He's a senior pro. We were 4-0 up. The spat before the incident, which the ref clearly saw was unnecessary. He should've just walked away. Poor from Chuks
You could easily say similar about Lloyd Jones getting booked early and being on a tightrope all game.
The referee got it wrong. That is it.
Not the same whatsoever. For a start he didn't get sent off. And it was an early sighter to let them know they were in for a tough afternoon..and it worked.
Exactly, big fan of our defence putting in a big reducer on the main oppo threats early. Only sensible course of action for the ref when this happens is to have a word and let our defenders know another one like that will be a yellow.
Not a big fan of the oppo defenders doing the same to TC obvs. Only sensible course of action for the ref when that happens is a straight red.
He's a senior pro. We were 4-0 up. The spat before the incident, which the ref clearly saw was unnecessary. He should've just walked away. Poor from Chuks
You could easily say similar about Lloyd Jones getting booked early and being on a tightrope all game.
The referee got it wrong. That is it.
Jones was putting down a marker and letting Kone know he was there. Kone wasn’t in the game after that.
This was exactly what I said we should do. Kone was the danger man, so smash him in the first 5 minutes, which is what Jones did.
Know where you're coming from but if the ref had given him a straight red , that would have been goodbye to 3 points and a 3 match ban....
Fine line between a "sensible" ref or one who decides he'll show whose boss early on ?
And 2 early doors yellows for Lloydy now ....Something we have to hope doesn't come in 3s.
To paraphrase a certain Canadian owner of a Welsh Football club - "Nothing can make the EFL reject an appeal faster than some of that sweet sweet Disney money"
He's a senior pro. We were 4-0 up. The spat before the incident, which the ref clearly saw was unnecessary. He should've just walked away. Poor from Chuks
You could easily say similar about Lloyd Jones getting booked early and being on a tightrope all game.
The referee got it wrong. That is it.
Jones was putting down a marker and letting Kone know he was there. Kone wasn’t in the game after that.
Maybe so. But it meant with the referee he could have been sent off that’s my point.
He's a senior pro. We were 4-0 up. The spat before the incident, which the ref clearly saw was unnecessary. He should've just walked away. Poor from Chuks
You could easily say similar about Lloyd Jones getting booked early and being on a tightrope all game.
The referee got it wrong. That is it.
Jones was putting down a marker and letting Kone know he was there. Kone wasn’t in the game after that.
Maybe so. But it meant with the referee he could have been sent off that’s my point.
No idea of the point you're trying to make here, unless you're suggesting that players shouldn't try and put in tackles for fear of getting sent off?
As opposed to getting involved in physical shenanigans off the ball.
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I do wonder though whether NJ was hoping he'd make something happen so we'd get another favourable notch or two on our goal difference........ and perhaps he wanted Chuks to end his goal scoring lean spell going into the last games of the season?
Expect we will see more of Hylton in the next 2 games if we are leading
Aneke made a stupid error. Holds his arms out he gets a foul for being assaulted.
The ref however should have been sensible to the situation. Injury time, 4-0 and given a yellow.
He's been a weapon this season, but I'd be surprised if he's here next season. Wouldn't be unhappy if he stayed though.
Poor from Chuks
Independent from the two competing teams, certainly.
Independent from the EFL? Not even slightly. This 'panel' is appointed by, remunerated by the EFL who give the panel its terms of reference and the scope of what may be considered in appraising the legitimacy or otherwise of the referee's decision. That is only 'independent' if you are Vladimir Putin or Kim Jong Un. I don't seek to impune the integrity of the individuals but the context in which they are allowed to operate is not independent of the EFL.
We've seen the footage, we've read the eye witness opinion, we know that Leahy is a diver and yet that independent panel declined to rescind the referee's faulty decision.
Independent.My.Fat.Arse!
At 1-0 up i'd get it, but at 4-0 up he could've surely brought Mbick on instead to give him a bit more experience.
Not sure why he came on given the score at the time.
But it's the ref's fault?
It's one of the elements of the modern game I detest - it's why outside of Charlton and my boys team I very rarely watch football.
And when I do watch Charlton it pisses me off as well. Why did Aneke go down holding his face? Because he was cheating. But we defend that cheating and blame the ref?
Most bizarre. If I were Aneke I'd be embarrased.
Kone was the danger man, so smash him in the first 5 minutes, which is what Jones did.
Fine line between a "sensible" ref or one who decides he'll show whose boss early on ?
And 2 early doors yellows for Lloydy now ....Something we have to hope doesn't come in 3s.
As opposed to getting involved in physical shenanigans off the ball.
Baffled.