Deadline Day from Pg.641 - Summer 2025 Charlton Athletic Transfer Rumours

Braziliance said:

sam3110 said:

Braziliance said:

Rothko said:

and Matt Sels and Kepa who have been two of the best this season are 6'2, talent over height is what matters, otherwise Fraser Foster will still be a number one somewhere. 

The keeper with the most saves in the prem is 6'5. 

Ligue1: 6'4
La Liga: 6'4
Bundesliga: 6'4
Serie A: 6'7
Eredvisie: 6'4

I am not saying a keeper needs to be 6'4 plus to be good, but all the best form keepers right now are, unless they're part of a great defensive team, which is a whole different conversation.

The game is changing and people are simply getting taller. I genuinely think unless you're a special talent, you need to be around those height marks to be a top keeper. 

I never feel comfortable with our goalies over the years as they just don't have enough presence. I think the last keeper we had that had that air of authority about him was Amos.

Most saves in the league simply means his defence ahead of him is dogshit, and his goal is being peppered, no? You need to look at save % and average xG of shots saved

The keeper that's number 1 for shots saved is Brentfords Flekken.

73.5% save rate (ranked 3rd behind Sanchez and Alisson) 

Conceded 50 all season, not sure too much on Brentfords details and how much they concede per game compared to the rest of the league. It looks like they're ranked 11th. 

The best measure of shot stopping is the goals prevented stat. This has Sels as the best, followed by Pickford and Ederson for this season. Flekken is about average 

That’s just shot stopping though, the taller keepers will obviously usually be the best at command of area and claiming/punching crosses 

Exiled_Addick said:

Mannion is a calming presence and has come into his own in a few recent games relieving pressure by claiming crosses and balls into the box. He has solid kicking and distribution but, for me, his shot stopping has never totally convinced. I think AMB may well have saved at least one, maybe two, of Wrexham's goals on Saturday but he wouldn't have been so dominant in commanding his area and might have cost us goals in other games during this run-in. If we don't get promoted, I think Mannion is fine as a first choice in League One and the money might be better spent on improving our squad depth and adding more pace and creativity. If we get promoted, AMB should be moved on and we should be looking for an upgrade on Mannion.

There was another discussion here about penalty saving, and Mannion's slightly average shot stopping ability does somewhat show when facing penalties. I could never imagine him springing full stretch to save a penalty, something which might be important if we get to Wembley.

Indeed maybe he should be subbed off for AMB just for the shootout!

Mannion isn’t decisive enough in his decision making, a bit slow to make his choice , especially keeper sweeping …
don’t like either keeper and not confident that either will do a job in the play offs and if LJ is out then we’d need a miracle to go up .

Braziliance said:

guinnessaddick said:

Braziliance said:

Croydon said:

Heard on Saturday that we were signing the Lincoln keeper. Long term deal

That would be very nice.

I don't wanna be too harsh on our keepers, and I'm not heightest, but I think they both lack stature at times and don't fill me with confidence.

The two standout keepers against us this season for me have been Corey Addai for Stockport, and Arthur Okonkwo of Wrexham. Both seemed like giants and appear to claim everything. 

Addai: 2.03 meters/ 6 foot 7
Okonkwo: 1.98 meters/ 6 foot 5 (almost 6)

Our keepers are: 

AMB: 1.85 meters / 6 foot 1
Mannion: 1.91 meters / 6 foot 3 

Those extra couples of inches make a massive difference (waheyy) and with Wickens being 1.98meters/ 6 foot 6, it makes a massive difference imo.

Is there a different CL height test for goalkeepers?

Yeah, be taller than me. I'm 6'1 and I don't believe that's anywhere near tall enough to be a modern keeper.

I think in this day and age your keeper should be your tallest player or at least be a similar height of what feels like the average modern day centre back height of 6'3+. 

You look at all the current best goalies, 

Alisson, 6'4
Courtois, 6'6
Donnarumma, 6'5
Martinez, 6'5

There will be some good examples of smaller goalies like Ederson, Oblak, etc, but they're all special in their own right.

At this level, a big bloke who can cover the goal and catch a ball will do.

The height thing is interesting to me.  How tall is too short?  Or alternatively how good do you have to be before height doesn't matter?

Pickford, Raya etc aren't the tallest for example. Casillas wasn't either and he's got to be in the best 5 keepers ever.

Palace have got two 21 year old keepers out on loan this season - Joe Whitworth (5'10") and Owen Goodman (6'4").  Whitworth is considered the more talented, and the fact that Palace sent him on loan to L1 and Goodman to L2 bears that out.  But I wonder if Goodman might end up playing at a higher level than Whitworth given Whitworth's height.

L0rd_M0ntagu3 said:

thenewbie said:

eastterrace6168 said:

This thread is a tad premature, as Marlene said to Boycie...
Surely we need to see what league we are in before we start speculating on any newbies, whole new ball game if, sorry when we reach the Championship...🙄

Not necessarily - if they genuinely do want a team capable of playing in the championship (either this season or next) whoever we sign has to either be of that quality or at the absolute bare minimum be capable of it.

It will be considerably harder to do if we don't go up but the actual target players shouldn't actually be all that different.

Agreed. Particularly as if we do get promoted our budget will be one of the smallest in the Championship, maybe with only Oxford being smaller. So the players we are targeting I can’t imagine will change much. 

Are you Chris Parkes?

Rothko said:

and Matt Sels and Kepa who have been two of the best this season are 6'2, talent over height is what matters, otherwise Fraser Foster will still be a number one somewhere. 

Kepa, really?

Just had a browse at out of contract Championship keepers to see who might be available and the only one I'd take would be Freddie Woodman but imagine he'd want decent wages

Rothko said:

Redhenry said:

Rothko said:

and Matt Sels and Kepa who have been two of the best this season are 6'2, talent over height is what matters, otherwise Fraser Foster will still be a number one somewhere. 

Kepa, really?

Think Kepa has been excellent for Bournemouth, out of the spotlight at Chelsea and the price tag, and I reckon a better keeper then Sanchez to be honest. 

I've seen him make errors and not watched him much

North Lower Neil said:

Braziliance said:

guinnessaddick said:

Braziliance said:

Croydon said:

Heard on Saturday that we were signing the Lincoln keeper. Long term deal

That would be very nice.

I don't wanna be too harsh on our keepers, and I'm not heightest, but I think they both lack stature at times and don't fill me with confidence.

The two standout keepers against us this season for me have been Corey Addai for Stockport, and Arthur Okonkwo of Wrexham. Both seemed like giants and appear to claim everything. 

Addai: 2.03 meters/ 6 foot 7
Okonkwo: 1.98 meters/ 6 foot 5 (almost 6)

Our keepers are: 

AMB: 1.85 meters / 6 foot 1
Mannion: 1.91 meters / 6 foot 3 

Those extra couples of inches make a massive difference (waheyy) and with Wickens being 1.98meters/ 6 foot 6, it makes a massive difference imo.

Is there a different CL height test for goalkeepers?

Yeah, be taller than me. I'm 6'1 and I don't believe that's anywhere near tall enough to be a modern keeper.

I think in this day and age your keeper should be your tallest player or at least be a similar height of what feels like the average modern day centre back height of 6'3+. 

You look at all the current best goalies, 

Alisson, 6'4
Courtois, 6'6
Donnarumma, 6'5
Martinez, 6'5

There will be some good examples of smaller goalies like Ederson, Oblak, etc, but they're all special in their own right.

At this level, a big bloke who can cover the goal and catch a ball will do.

The height thing is interesting to me.  How tall is too short?  Or alternatively how good do you have to be before height doesn't matter?

Pickford, Raya etc aren't the tallest for example. Casillas wasn't either and he's got to be in the best 5 keepers ever.

Palace have got two 21 year old keepers out on loan this season - Joe Whitworth (5'10") and Owen Goodman (6'4").  Whitworth is considered the more talented, and the fact that Palace sent him on loan to L1 and Goodman to L2 bears that out.  But I wonder if Goodman might end up playing at a higher level than Whitworth given Whitworth's height.

I just look at it as this. Most of the top class centre backs in the world are taller now, it's not often you see 6ft and below. There are always going to be exceptions, but the very best are units. 

Keepers should at the very least be a close height or taller. Just helps with set pieces mainly. It's also just filling the goal and having those long limbs, it can be the difference between a finger tip save or a ball just nestling in.

Casillas is a good example of a top keeper who was 6'1, but he was extremely intelligent and played in a very good Spain and Madrid side, would he have been the same in the prem and playing for a less possession based side in international football? 

For me the golden standard and top5 is: 

Buffon | 6'4 
Cech | 6'5
Schmeichel | 6'4 
Manuel Neuer | 6'4 
Courtois | 6'7 

Those 5 for me standout above the rest for leadership, skill and I hate that this word has now been tarnished but their aura. They all just had/have that air of confidence about them that a top keeper needs.

Very sorry to post so much about Keepers heights for those looking for rumours, it was relative at first but now it's gone on a bit 😂

Basically I think 6'4 for a keeper is a bit of a must in the modern game, unless you are exceptional in other aspects like reaction times, or kicking or being a good organiser. 👍🏻 

SDAddick said:

fenaddick said:

Just had a browse at out of contract Championship keepers to see who might be available and the only one I'd take would be Freddie Woodman but imagine he'd want decent wages

I believe he was linked with Man United recently. 

Bit young for the Carson/Heaton/Rob Green 3rd choice keeper role isn't he?

Though I suppose others like Rob Elliot have preferred that cushy job than L1/L2 football etc.

Ferryman said:

NabySarr said:

Josh Keeley at Orient (on loan from spurs) could be a good shout if we are in the championship 

After we mugged him twice in I jury time?

It’s a bad 5 minutes in 1 game, he’s been excellent over the whole season. Orient had a terrible start to the season, Keeley becoming number 1 was a big part of their turnaround

Kobie Hines-Leacock, midfielder, scored for U18s.

Trialist from Stoke.

Info from @Paddy Powell

He left Millwall in 2023 to sign for a bigger club in Stoke but it seems he has now been released.

Fair bet that he is a London lad.

Stoke described him as a winger but added that " We see him as an option at left back in the long-term too. Kobie is energetic, carries a good end product and is effective in one-v-one situations."

NabySarr said:

Ferryman said:

NabySarr said:

Josh Keeley at Orient (on loan from spurs) could be a good shout if we are in the championship 

After we mugged him twice in I jury time?

It’s a bad 5 minutes in 1 game, he’s been excellent over the whole season. Orient had a terrible start to the season, Keeley becoming number 1 was a big part of their turnaround

Fair analysis 

Not a rumour but Santos is leaving Bolton, not sure he betters our back 3 anymore