Referee should have worked out that when one of their players was apologising for a tackle then it was obvious to the player concerned that it warranted a red. Since Ainsworth wycombe have always played thugball, and it is no wonder that the locals don't turn up to watch them.
Is it just me or am I missing something re; all this needle directed at Wycombe and their fanbase?
I thought it was a fairly uneventful game and both sides looked poor, but we will probably be slightly happier with the result given it looked the game plan was to not get beat.
There were some poor tackles by some of theirs admittedly, but I can't understand how off the back of that fairly drab game, it's riled a few up.
That's not having a dig at those that are riled up, simply that based on what I saw, I can't understand some of the animosity in the post match comments
Really? The way Leahy got Chuks sent off a couple of weeks ago. The fact Kone tried to do Ramsay and should have seen red. The fact Odoh elbowed Gilly and should have seen red. The constant falling over and cheating. The fact my eardrums are still ringing from the shit blasted to us at half time at such volume. The fact they can’t sell 5,000 home seats for a play off game. The fact their stadium is in the arse end of nowhere.
Everything about this 'tackle' is mindblowing. This image is at the BEGINNING of the assault, literally the definition of dangerous play. He goes with his right foot and doesn't get there so he swings his left and is so so far away from the ball. Look where the ball is in relation to where he makes contact?!
Its a no brainer red card on VAR and its also one of those where by giving a yellow it's almost more insulting, the ref must have seen the tackle/something to produce a yellow but has decided its not red worthy. The guy rides the back of his Achilles like this for a good meter or so
Throw in that Orient goal where you can drive a bus between the defender and offside goalscorer and it's been a successful weekend for L1 officials.
It looks poor and I’d need to see it again on the telly, but one of Ramsey’s strengths is how when he’s shielding a ball on his right. He massively steps across and bends to the left to protect the ball and position an opponent where he wants, leading Ramsey to normally pivot with the ball so well.
One danger though of stepping out to the left is to put your left foot into the step line of the opponent. I’ll be generous and say that’s what’s happened here and Kone had no deliberate intention to land on his Achilles.
I do think we seem to be getting increasingly blinkered with things. Chuks wasn’t 100% innocent in his sending off and we are not adverse to mixing it, sly arts, non-beautiful football, play acting, running the clock down etc
Bigger crowds guarantee absolutely nothing. Leeds, Derby and others are case studies of that.
It’s all about what the players do on the pitch.
Yes but this is Fortress Valley AND a bigger crowd. Two home defeats all season, last one on 3rd December, unbeaten in the last 15 at the home of football and we've already beaten them home and away. That's not to say that we are certainties because we aren't but Wycombe's decline has coincided with Kone only scoring two in his last 14 matches. Keep him quiet as we have in all three games against them this season and we will hold all the aces.
In 18/19 we only lost 2 games at home and the last of those was on 6th October, meaning we were unbeaten in our last 17 at home. As AFKA said we did technically lose the home leg regardless, though I think it was the shootout that was really influenced by the crowd, and I doubt we'd have gone storming straight up the pitch and scored after conceding in extra time without that crowd. I think normalcy goes out the window in Playoff games, there's no way we lose that game 3-2 if not for the that, but if the game drags on then it's always the home side with the big crowd who will have less to worry about, especially if we successfully trick the police into thinking we can only have the shootout in front of the Covered End again.
Although I’m surprised at the low attendance that Wycombe had at home, we had just under 15,000 against Shrewsbury 7 years ago in the play off first leg. We’re not really ones to talk are we?
I think what is so bad about that attendance is that it was a lot less than for some of their regular league games, including against us. Then they had 8,084 and i think we didnt quite sell out that day.
I could be wrong but apart from Mansfield i think we've sold out every away game for months. Blackpool way back on 1st Feb is the last Saturday away we didn't.
Should have used the playoff semi as a perfect game to test run the away fans in the West Stand. Give them 2k tickets at the end of it and put us all in the Jimmy Seed
Bigger crowds guarantee absolutely nothing. Leeds, Derby and others are case studies of that.
It’s all about what the players do on the pitch.
Hostile bigger crowds can make a difference.
I find that a myth personally. The Doncaster home game being the biggest relatable example of that. Our crowd was amazing that night but most people forget we lost the game 2-3
I’ve watched the highlights of that game more than any other of recent years, and partly because of the crowd. Up to a point, I think you’ve proved an inconvenient truth, but I think @charlton_hero is right, it wasn’t hostile because we had outplayed them in the 1st leg and then Bielik scored so early. This time, its evens at the start, and we know they are a nasty pub team, so I certainly hope that this crowd is hostile from the start. Certainly Curbs and Brownie seem genuinely to believe it helps.
Not sure we do hostile in terms of putting the other team off per se. The best Charlton crowds have always been about being loud and proud to spur the team on imo. I suppose it will be hostile in terms of they'll know we don't think much of them and their antics. Let the football do the talking.
Should have used the playoff semi as a perfect game to test run the away fans in the West Stand. Give them 2k tickets at the end of it and put us all in the Jimmy Seed
The splitting of the West Upper is for very small allocations in L1. Is not very practical for a sold out game and given the oppo up to 2K, e.g. the corporate and the splitting of the facilities.
Should have used the playoff semi as a perfect game to test run the away fans in the West Stand. Give them 2k tickets at the end of it and put us all in the Jimmy Seed
You can’t segregate the West Upper into a split to allow for 2k away fan’s without substantially increasing there allocation which wouldn’t sell anyway.
in this case the club are right to put Wycombe in the Jimmy Seed but given that we’ve as good as sold out our home allocation and Wycombe didn’t give us any extra tickets I would cap there allocation at 2k and split the Jimmy Seed for extra home tickets.
I would also make sure the speakers in the Jimmy Seed are at full blast as well when the Wycombe players come out to warm up, return there little trick which didn’t go unnoticed yesterday.
Should have used the playoff semi as a perfect game to test run the away fans in the West Stand. Give them 2k tickets at the end of it and put us all in the Jimmy Seed
You can’t segregate the West Upper into a split to allow for 2k away fan’s without substantially increasing there allocation which wouldn’t sell anyway.
in this case the club are right to put Wycombe in the Jimmy Seed but given that we’ve as good as sold out our home allocation and Wycombe didn’t give us any extra tickets I would cap there allocation at 2k and split the Jimmy Seed for extra home tickets.
I would also make sure the speakers in the Jimmy Seed are at full blast as well when the Wycombe players come out to warm up, return there little trick which didn’t go unnoticed yesterday.
Our tannoy system is so inadequate they will be lucky to hear anything at all.
Should have used the playoff semi as a perfect game to test run the away fans in the West Stand. Give them 2k tickets at the end of it and put us all in the Jimmy Seed
You can’t segregate the West Upper into a split to allow for 2k away fan’s without substantially increasing there allocation which wouldn’t sell anyway.
in this case the club are right to put Wycombe in the Jimmy Seed but given that we’ve as good as sold out our home allocation and Wycombe didn’t give us any extra tickets I would cap there allocation at 2k and split the Jimmy Seed for extra home tickets.
I would also make sure the speakers in the Jimmy Seed are at full blast as well when the Wycombe players come out to warm up, return there little trick which didn’t go unnoticed yesterday.
We have done that previously haven't we. I mean, give them a chance to buy their tickets but if they don't maybe get another 500 to 700 addicks in there with a partition and extra stewards. The costs should be covered by the extra fans. we have sold out, but I suppose there is a question whether there is demand for 500 ish extra tickets.
Should have used the playoff semi as a perfect game to test run the away fans in the West Stand. Give them 2k tickets at the end of it and put us all in the Jimmy Seed
You can’t segregate the West Upper into a split to allow for 2k away fan’s without substantially increasing there allocation which wouldn’t sell anyway.
in this case the club are right to put Wycombe in the Jimmy Seed but given that we’ve as good as sold out our home allocation and Wycombe didn’t give us any extra tickets I would cap there allocation at 2k and split the Jimmy Seed for extra home tickets.
I would also make sure the speakers in the Jimmy Seed are at full blast as well when the Wycombe players come out to warm up, return there little trick which didn’t go unnoticed yesterday.
WTF was that about?! Was it as loud in the other stands?
I'd be very surprised if Whycum bought 1K on Thursday, probably just a few hundred at best, so we need to split the JS stand and make as much noise as we can...
It’s a stretch comparing us to Wycombe. Down here in London, we’re up against endless distractions and surrounded by clubs with glittering histories and bulging trophy cabinets, all within spitting distance. The fight for attention is a different beast entirely.
Should have used the playoff semi as a perfect game to test run the away fans in the West Stand. Give them 2k tickets at the end of it and put us all in the Jimmy Seed
You can’t segregate the West Upper into a split to allow for 2k away fan’s without substantially increasing there allocation which wouldn’t sell anyway.
in this case the club are right to put Wycombe in the Jimmy Seed but given that we’ve as good as sold out our home allocation and Wycombe didn’t give us any extra tickets I would cap there allocation at 2k and split the Jimmy Seed for extra home tickets.
I would also make sure the speakers in the Jimmy Seed are at full blast as well when the Wycombe players come out to warm up, return there little trick which didn’t go unnoticed yesterday.
Our tannoy system is so inadequate they will be lucky to hear anything at all.
Its not only bad, but its main user (Brian Cole) seems to be the one IMO that you hear less from than the other PA users that we use (from the Covered End Upper)
Should have used the playoff semi as a perfect game to test run the away fans in the West Stand. Give them 2k tickets at the end of it and put us all in the Jimmy Seed
You can’t segregate the West Upper into a split to allow for 2k away fan’s without substantially increasing there allocation which wouldn’t sell anyway.
in this case the club are right to put Wycombe in the Jimmy Seed but given that we’ve as good as sold out our home allocation and Wycombe didn’t give us any extra tickets I would cap there allocation at 2k and split the Jimmy Seed for extra home tickets.
I would also make sure the speakers in the Jimmy Seed are at full blast as well when the Wycombe players come out to warm up, return there little trick which didn’t go unnoticed yesterday.
We have done that previously haven't we. I mean, give them a chance to buy their tickets but if they don't maybe get another 500 to 700 addicks in there with a partition and extra stewards. The costs should be covered by the extra fans. we have sold out, but I suppose there is a question whether there is demand for 500 ish extra tickets.
Income and expenses are pooled in the play offs so any extra costs involved are not ours alone.
I stand to be corrected but I believe the gate money across the four League One games is pooled and each club receives just 12.5%, making 50%. The other 50% is spread amongst the rest of the league one clubs dependant on finishing position.
Should have used the playoff semi as a perfect game to test run the away fans in the West Stand. Give them 2k tickets at the end of it and put us all in the Jimmy Seed
You can’t segregate the West Upper into a split to allow for 2k away fan’s without substantially increasing there allocation which wouldn’t sell anyway.
in this case the club are right to put Wycombe in the Jimmy Seed but given that we’ve as good as sold out our home allocation and Wycombe didn’t give us any extra tickets I would cap there allocation at 2k and split the Jimmy Seed for extra home tickets.
I would also make sure the speakers in the Jimmy Seed are at full blast as well when the Wycombe players come out to warm up, return there little trick which didn’t go unnoticed yesterday.
WTF was that about?! Was it as loud in the other stands?
Can’t speak for the other stands but the speakers in our stand seemed perfectly fine/normal in our stand before the players came out to warm up.
Then the moment our players came out of course the noise level from our fans raised but at the same time the noise of the speakers was raised to its maximum frankly deafening levels as one or two others have mentioned on here.
Although I’m surprised at the low attendance that Wycombe had at home, we had just under 15,000 against Shrewsbury 7 years ago in the play off first leg. We’re not really ones to talk are we?
We were in the middle of a boycott and playing below the level the club should be. Wycombe are on an upward trajectory with a rich owner and a chance to play in the highest division they've ever played in, the two aren't really comparable
Around 3.9% of the actual town of High Wycombe turned out to support them in a League One Play-off. Which is not great. However, that would be a crowd of c11,200 home fans at The Valley if you applied it to the London borough of Greenwich. Which is about what we average in actual bums on seats of home fans.
In conclusion, Wycombe is not a hot bed of fanatical football support. But nor is Greenwich when compared to the likes of Burnley, Sunderland, Middlesbrough or even Ipswich.
Wycombe is a one club town, which can't be said for Charlton, as London is far more mixed up. We have Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, West Ham etc on our doorstep to compete with.
Wycombe is 30 miles from central London & therefore a commuter town that didn’t have a league club until the mid 1990s.
I just don’t think we can have too much of a pop at anyone. Greenwich, Bexleyheath and north Kent is a good catchment area for a historic club that has played most of its football in the second tier or above. Until we start averaging 22-25,000 in the Championship just standing still, we can’t really berate others too much. I get the competition thing, but Notts County average over 10,000 in L2, playing in a relatively small city with a far more successful club. That’s passionate support. They could literally just cross a bridge for better football.
Traditional non-league clubs who move into the 92 very rarely see much of an increase in their support.
Everything about this 'tackle' is mindblowing. This image is at the BEGINNING of the assault, literally the definition of dangerous play. He goes with his right foot and doesn't get there so he swings his left and is so so far away from the ball. Look where the ball is in relation to where he makes contact?!
Its a no brainer red card on VAR and its also one of those where by giving a yellow it's almost more insulting, the ref must have seen the tackle/something to produce a yellow but has decided its not red worthy. The guy rides the back of his Achilles like this for a good meter or so
Throw in that Orient goal where you can drive a bus between the defender and offside goalscorer and it's been a successful weekend for L1 officials.
It looks poor and I’d need to see it again on the telly, but one of Ramsey’s strengths is how when he’s shielding a ball on his right. He massively steps across and bends to the left to protect the ball and position an opponent where he wants, leading Ramsey to normally pivot with the ball so well.
One danger though of stepping out to the left is to put your left foot into the step line of the opponent. I’ll be generous and say that’s what’s happened here and Kone had no deliberate intention to land on his Achilles.
Should have used the playoff semi as a perfect game to test run the away fans in the West Stand. Give them 2k tickets at the end of it and put us all in the Jimmy Seed
I would also make sure the speakers in the Jimmy Seed are at full blast as well when the Wycombe players come out to warm up, return there little trick which didn’t go unnoticed yesterday.
Addicks to Victory on a loop for an hour before the game
It’s a stretch comparing us to Wycombe. Down here in London, we’re up against endless distractions and surrounded by clubs with glittering histories and bulging trophy cabinets, all within spitting distance. The fight for attention is a different beast entirely.
You can get to Arsenal in just over an hour from Wycombe tbf.
If you say Greenwich and Bexley are legitimate Charlton catchment areas, that's over 535,000 people on our doorstep; and gates of 14,000 home fans represents only 2.6% of that number.
The entire district of Wycombe has a population of c175,00. Home support of c4,500 fans represents 2.6% of that population.
Charlton Pros: Integrated transport system thanks to London location, with easy access from north Kent too. 104 years of Football League history. Good history - FA Cup winners, seasons in top flight, including PL.
Charlton Cons: Have to compete for support with other, more successful London clubs within easy access thanks to integrated transport system. Playing below historic level.
Wycombe Pros: One club town. Playing above historical level.
Wycombe Cons: Close proximity to London. Southern commuter town, so not traditional football hotbed. Only 32 years of Football League history, most of it in tier 3 and 4. Stadium in poor location.
Therefore, I still think it is a weird stick to beat them with. If you half the population of Nottingham, you get c160,000. Notts County averaged around 9,500 home fans in L2. That's 5.9% of that population. They play literally across a bridge from twice European champions & current PL high flyers Nottingham Forest. The equivalent at The Valley would be 31,565 home fans. Ergo, we really can't be too snooty.
The ref has played professionally, and I thought he had an excellent game when we played Bristol Rovers at home earlier on in the season. Less so yesterday.
Chuks would've made a difference yesterday. Surprised that when Small came on him and TC were on opposite flanks, as they work so well together. Atmosphere petered out in the first half, but non stop singing in the second. Just gutted we didn't have a goal to celebrate.
A big positive will be Small starting. Watson tries but doesn't give us much and he is prone to errors.
On the contrary I am of the opinion that Watson is a lot more of a defenders defender, thus doesn’t seem to shine in the system we play because more suited to small going forward etc. I think if Watson was RB in a back 4 he’d look slightly better than what’s possibly showing at the moment,
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Sorry but fuck em. I really dislike them.
in this case the club are right to put Wycombe in the Jimmy Seed but given that we’ve as good as sold out our home allocation and Wycombe didn’t give us any extra tickets I would cap there allocation at 2k and split the Jimmy Seed for extra home tickets.
I would also make sure the speakers in the Jimmy Seed are at full blast as well when the Wycombe players come out to warm up, return there little trick which didn’t go unnoticed yesterday.
I stand to be corrected but I believe the gate money across the four League One games is pooled and each club receives just 12.5%, making 50%. The other 50% is spread amongst the rest of the league one clubs dependant on finishing position.
Then the moment our players came out of course the noise level from our fans raised but at the same time the noise of the speakers was raised to its maximum frankly deafening levels as one or two others have mentioned on here.
Traditional non-league clubs who move into the 92 very rarely see much of an increase in their support.
If you say Greenwich and Bexley are legitimate Charlton catchment areas, that's over 535,000 people on our doorstep; and gates of 14,000 home fans represents only 2.6% of that number.
The entire district of Wycombe has a population of c175,00. Home support of c4,500 fans represents 2.6% of that population.
Charlton Pros: Integrated transport system thanks to London location, with easy access from north Kent too. 104 years of Football League history. Good history - FA Cup winners, seasons in top flight, including PL.
Charlton Cons: Have to compete for support with other, more successful London clubs within easy access thanks to integrated transport system. Playing below historic level.
Wycombe Pros: One club town. Playing above historical level.
Wycombe Cons: Close proximity to London. Southern commuter town, so not traditional football hotbed. Only 32 years of Football League history, most of it in tier 3 and 4. Stadium in poor location.
Therefore, I still think it is a weird stick to beat them with. If you half the population of Nottingham, you get c160,000. Notts County averaged around 9,500 home fans in L2. That's 5.9% of that population. They play literally across a bridge from twice European champions & current PL high flyers Nottingham Forest. The equivalent at The Valley would be 31,565 home fans. Ergo, we really can't be too snooty.