I understand it's a wembley game & appreciate not everyone in attendance will be a 'proper 'fan, but the volume of tickets & the speed in which they've sold shows the fan base is still there & the potential for the club is still huge.
I think there's a real feel good factor around the club at the moment & the future looks bright, regardless of Sunday's result!!
I think most medium sized London football clubs could sell 40,000 tickets for a one off, promotion decider at Wembley tbf.
Same as I think every London based club could get 35-40,000 most weeks in the PL, if given the stadium to do so, including Barnet and Bromley. As that is the nature of English football these days.
Which means I do agree with you, there is great potential. But in the Championship you have a fair few clubs that average 25-40,000 on a regular basis. So until that happens, you need owners that step up.
Bromley and Barnet, come on, that's taking it a bit too far.
I honestly don’t think it is.
Plonk Bromley in the Premier League and give them a 40,000 stadium and they will sell it out most weeks. That is where English football is at these days. In fact, the very fact they have no league history & therefore rivarlary baggage, means they’d sell it out even easier. Lots of football tourists would go, local ones & foreign ones.
Charlton has lots of potential. But so does any club playing inside the M25 in this modern era. Difference is, Charlton at least has a much better foundation already in place than Bromley. But that doesn’t diminish the point that if a eccentric billionaire built a 40,000 capacity stadium at Earls Court, founded a club called Earls Court Rovers and bribed the PL for a place in PL ala Arsenal style in 1919, then they could get crowds of 30-40,000 depending on fixture. It wouldn’t be the most partisan ground in the country, but it would be full.
Fulham don't even sell out a 30k stadium most weeks. I'm not even convinced the likes of Charlton, Millwall and QPR would sell 40k most weeks, apart from the big London derbies and City/United/Liverpool if they gave about 8k to the away team.
There is absolutely no way Bromley and Barnet are going to be filling it, these are clubs with a core support of about 3k. You'd obviously get a few who'd go just to watch PL football, but not 30k+ of them.
Fulham are selling out to be fair, their new stand is opening in stages incredibly slowly. And at eye watering prices too.
I understand it's a wembley game & appreciate not everyone in attendance will be a 'proper 'fan, but the volume of tickets & the speed in which they've sold shows the fan base is still there & the potential for the club is still huge.
I think there's a real feel good factor around the club at the moment & the future looks bright, regardless of Sunday's result!!
I think most medium sized London football clubs could sell 40,000 tickets for a one off, promotion decider at Wembley tbf.
Same as I think every London based club could get 35-40,000 most weeks in the PL, if given the stadium to do so, including Barnet and Bromley. As that is the nature of English football these days.
Which means I do agree with you, there is great potential. But in the Championship you have a fair few clubs that average 25-40,000 on a regular basis. So until that happens, you need owners that step up.
Bromley and Barnet, come on, that's taking it a bit too far.
I honestly don’t think it is.
Plonk Bromley in the Premier League and give them a 40,000 stadium and they will sell it out most weeks. That is where English football is at these days. In fact, the very fact they have no league history & therefore rivarlary baggage, means they’d sell it out even easier. Lots of football tourists would go, local ones & foreign ones.
Charlton has lots of potential. But so does any club playing inside the M25 in this modern era. Difference is, Charlton at least has a much better foundation already in place than Bromley. But that doesn’t diminish the point that if a eccentric billionaire built a 40,000 capacity stadium at Earls Court, founded a club called Earls Court Rovers and bribed the PL for a place in PL ala Arsenal style in 1919, then they could get crowds of 30-40,000 depending on fixture. It wouldn’t be the most partisan ground in the country, but it would be full.
There’s an ‘if’ doing quite a lot of heavy lifting in that post.
Not really.
Because the point is, there are easily enough foreign vistitors and floating football fans living in and around London to make an American style franchise football club a reality these days. Most PL clubs are reducing season ticket holders so that they can cash in on football tourists (UK & foreign based ones).
I am not literally talking about Bromley or even Earls Court Rovers (😂) specifically. I am making a point about modern football crowds.
I think he's identified something that has been bugging me. Having started revisiting The Valley after a few years break i've been telling anyone that will listen (normally by trapping them in a corner) that something has changed in the composition of Charlton's home crowds that isn't solely explained by the recent improvements in the teams performance.
Compared to add approx. 10 years ago the crowd seems to be comprised of more visiting foreign tourists, more groups of younger, occasional visitors, lots of 'first time visitor' kids names displays on the message board, lots of people visiting who don't seem to be 'hard core/single club' football supporters but who won't/cant pay premium prices for a Monday night Premiership match at Arsenal, West Ham, Spurs etc.
The population of Greenwich and London has altered in the last 25 years, it's become more cosmopolitan, more concentrated in the 18-35 age group and possibly more fluid and flexible in their leisure choices.
Not sure if it's good or bad for the future of CAFC but it's definitely different.
Where exactly in the ground have you noticed this?
West Stand. Back there regularly with a season ticket for last six months after about a 10 year break.
Whilst the West stand crowd probably can't be used as an indicator of the make up of the whole crowd the increase in casual, foreign visitors is noticeable. Also, I've noticed small groups of young foreign men and women that re-appear every second or third match suggesting that they aren't tourists but maybe young workers living in London.
There’s lots of foreign tourists that come to our games now. Getting the train back into London after the match you really notice it. I think it’s predominantly down to the rise in ground hopping. We’re normally one of the only 3pm kick offs that you can get tickets for (without spending a fortune) in London which makes us attractive for groups that are trying to get in a number of matches over a weekend. It’s not just ground hoppers though, I think the rise of the Premier League means that a football match is on the list for lots of tourists to the U.K., again we benefit from that. It’s all good and I welcome it because we normally have 15,000 spare tickets for our matches - yet we’ve sold almost 40,000 for this one!
I saw a few last Thursday, Wearing their half and half scarfs
I understand it's a wembley game & appreciate not everyone in attendance will be a 'proper 'fan, but the volume of tickets & the speed in which they've sold shows the fan base is still there & the potential for the club is still huge.
I think there's a real feel good factor around the club at the moment & the future looks bright, regardless of Sunday's result!!
I think most medium sized London football clubs could sell 40,000 tickets for a one off, promotion decider at Wembley tbf.
Same as I think every London based club could get 35-40,000 most weeks in the PL, if given the stadium to do so, including Barnet and Bromley. As that is the nature of English football these days.
Which means I do agree with you, there is great potential. But in the Championship you have a fair few clubs that average 25-40,000 on a regular basis. So until that happens, you need owners that step up.
Bromley and Barnet, come on, that's taking it a bit too far.
I honestly don’t think it is.
Plonk Bromley in the Premier League and give them a 40,000 stadium and they will sell it out most weeks. That is where English football is at these days. In fact, the very fact they have no league history & therefore rivarlary baggage, means they’d sell it out even easier. Lots of football tourists would go, local ones & foreign ones.
Charlton has lots of potential. But so does any club playing inside the M25 in this modern era. Difference is, Charlton at least has a much better foundation already in place than Bromley. But that doesn’t diminish the point that if a eccentric billionaire built a 40,000 capacity stadium at Earls Court, founded a club called Earls Court Rovers and bribed the PL for a place in PL ala Arsenal style in 1919, then they could get crowds of 30-40,000 depending on fixture. It wouldn’t be the most partisan ground in the country, but it would be full.
Fulham don't even sell out a 30k stadium most weeks. I'm not even convinced the likes of Charlton, Millwall and QPR would sell 40k most weeks, apart from the big London derbies and City/United/Liverpool if they gave about 8k to the away team.
There is absolutely no way Bromley and Barnet are going to be filling it, these are clubs with a core support of about 3k. You'd obviously get a few who'd go just to watch PL football, but not 30k+ of them.
Fulham sold out 9 of 11 games in home areas this season. But also have to work around certain restrictions, ie season ticket holders, away fan segregation etc.
If you plonked a stadium at Earls Court and made it no season ticket holders and just pay on the day for anyone and everyone, no segregation, with tickets from £25 to £80, you could fill it with 30,000 to 40,000 people for PL football. Easy. No matter who the home team were. Imo.
I understand it's a wembley game & appreciate not everyone in attendance will be a 'proper 'fan, but the volume of tickets & the speed in which they've sold shows the fan base is still there & the potential for the club is still huge.
I think there's a real feel good factor around the club at the moment & the future looks bright, regardless of Sunday's result!!
I think most medium sized London football clubs could sell 40,000 tickets for a one off, promotion decider at Wembley tbf.
Same as I think every London based club could get 35-40,000 most weeks in the PL, if given the stadium to do so, including Barnet and Bromley. As that is the nature of English football these days.
Which means I do agree with you, there is great potential. But in the Championship you have a fair few clubs that average 25-40,000 on a regular basis. So until that happens, you need owners that step up.
Bromley and Barnet, come on, that's taking it a bit too far.
I honestly don’t think it is.
Plonk Bromley in the Premier League and give them a 40,000 stadium and they will sell it out most weeks. That is where English football is at these days. In fact, the very fact they have no league history & therefore rivarlary baggage, means they’d sell it out even easier. Lots of football tourists would go, local ones & foreign ones.
Charlton has lots of potential. But so does any club playing inside the M25 in this modern era. Difference is, Charlton at least has a much better foundation already in place than Bromley. But that doesn’t diminish the point that if a eccentric billionaire built a 40,000 capacity stadium at Earls Court, founded a club called Earls Court Rovers and bribed the PL for a place in PL ala Arsenal style in 1919, then they could get crowds of 30-40,000 depending on fixture. It wouldn’t be the most partisan ground in the country, but it would be full.
Fulham don't even sell out a 30k stadium most weeks. I'm not even convinced the likes of Charlton, Millwall and QPR would sell 40k most weeks, apart from the big London derbies and City/United/Liverpool if they gave about 8k to the away team.
There is absolutely no way Bromley and Barnet are going to be filling it, these are clubs with a core support of about 3k. You'd obviously get a few who'd go just to watch PL football, but not 30k+ of them.
Fulham sold out 9 of 11 games in home areas this season.
If you plonked a stadium at Earls Court and made it no season ticket holders and just pay on the day, with tickets from £25 to £80, you could fill it with 30,000 to 40,000 people for PL football. Easy. No matter who the home team were. Imo.
Why did Fulham only play 11 home games this season?
Incidentally I'm finding the 'billy big bollocks Charlton are massive and Orient are tinpot' comments (mainly on twitter) in poor taste. I don't have any strong feelings for them either way but they are a proper club whose supporters have had a relatively tough time like us, they have a likeable manager and they could all easily support West Ham, or other bigger London clubs but don't. We're really not that dissimilar to them in some ways.
I think they will also revel in the underdog story which worries me even more about Sundays game if we start giving it the big un.
Agree with this, plus although it's good to have pretty much double their support, it's going to mean very little on the day.
Millwall had 47k of a 55k crowd v Wigan and lost.
Indeed. For the 2009 L1 PO Final, 49,661 cheered on Millwall, whilst c7,500 from Scunny cheered on The Iron. Final score? 3-2 to Scunthorpe.
Incidentally I'm finding the 'billy big bollocks Charlton are massive and Orient are tinpot' comments (mainly on twitter) in poor taste. I don't have any strong feelings for them either way but they are a proper club whose supporters have had a relatively tough time like us, they have a likeable manager and they could all easily support West Ham, or other bigger London clubs but don't. We're really not that dissimilar to them in some ways.
I think they will also revel in the underdog story which worries me even more about Sundays game if we start giving it the big un.
Agreed!
You only have to watch the John Sitton Orient for a Fiver documentary to see where they have come from in the early 90s. Fair play to them!
The crazy thing about the sales of this game is out of the 37k sold, I’d guess that over 35k of that was sold in a total of no more than 2 1/2 hours (90 mins Sunday, 30 mins Sunday, 30 mins Tuesday)
I bought my 16 year old niece a ticket. She has never bought a match day ticket but she volunteers at the Valley for St John’s every week so I don’t feel bad about that. She really wants to go. One of my friends, an Arsenal season ticket holder, asked me if I could buy him, he attended the 1998 final with me. I bought one for him as well, I don’t feel bad about that either, the more the merrier. Additionally I bought myself and another for my mate who I attend matches with.
I also bought my season ticket for next season.
I know it will give some the hump but the reality is if you want to go to Wembley next week you will get a ticket, just maybe not today.
I somewhat regret posting this a little drunk late Saturday night.
I bought my 16 year old niece a ticket. She has never bought a match day ticket but she volunteers at the Valley for St John’s every week so I don’t feel bad about that. She really wants to go. One of my friends, an Arsenal season ticket holder, asked me if I could buy him, he attended the 1998 final with me. I bought one for him as well, I don’t feel bad about that either, the more the merrier. Additionally I bought myself and another for my mate who I attend matches with.
I also bought my season ticket for next season.
I know it will give some the hump but the reality is if you want to go to Wembley next week you will get a ticket, just maybe not today.
I somewhat regret posting this a little drunk late Saturday night.
What we know about the EFL is that they love money. There’s no way they are leaving entire blocks unsold in the LO away end when they could make 1000s more in revenue (if not 100,000s).
It just depends if they pull their finger out in time for people not to make alternate plans.
There’s a cynical part of me that thinks Wembley deliberately hold back blocks until very late in the process in the hope that panicking fans in the interim will over pay for their and their third parties hospitality packages, where most revenue generated goes to Wembley and not the EFL / Clubs
I can’t believe how shoddy this ticketing process is . This isn’t the first time one team will have 30k ish and the other team can potentially sell 50k ish . Surely there’s a process they go through and as one team nears the last 5k of tickets they have(time dependent as in how near to kick off they get to these numbers) they then request more , if available , they then get released and the whole process should be reasonably smooth and it keeps the tickets available and stops panic/attempting to buy in the other end . segregation will be in place in each tier and it’s just a process of see where sales of seats are late on and after Saturdays Match move the barriers/netting/door closures etc along to accommodate the next fixture it’s not rocket science , are there just fuckwits everywhere in this world or am I missing something that’s making this whole process so difficult/farcical. Also with print at home/show on phone , why have they not gone out immediately, it’s not like those tickets where the QR code or whatever the fuck it is keeps changing . Bang the fuckers out with the email confirmation because they will surely have been allocated a seat and make the whole process less stressful for Joe Public .
https://www.leytonorient.com/news/2025/may/20/update-on-sky-bet-league-one-play-off-final-tickets/
- Orient supporters buying tickets need to be registered on Orient
site, similarly to Charlton. It says to stop Charlton supporters buying
tickets but also means that WHU or other clubs can't buy, so ultimately a
good thing. As a Charlton supporter, would not want to sit in an Orient
section. Imagine Charlton scoring and not being able to celebrate like
crazy ????
When can (Orient supporters) buy?
From 10am on Tuesday, 20 May: 24/25 Season Card Holders (6 tickets per SCH) and OneOrient Plus Members (3 tickets per member)
From 10am on Wednesday 21st May to 5pm Friday 23rd May: All fans on database before May 19th (6 tickets per person)
Read somewhere that Orient have only been allowed to sell certain blocks at a time. When advised by Wembley they can put more on sale. While annoying for their fans it makes sense if Wembley wants to potentially release some of their tickets to us and maximise sales. Can’t remember what site. it would make sense if they’re worried about them not selling out.
I understand it's a wembley game & appreciate not everyone in attendance will be a 'proper 'fan, but the volume of tickets & the speed in which they've sold shows the fan base is still there & the potential for the club is still huge.
I think there's a real feel good factor around the club at the moment & the future looks bright, regardless of Sunday's result!!
I think most medium sized London football clubs could sell 40,000 tickets for a one off, promotion decider at Wembley tbf.
Same as I think every London based club could get 35-40,000 most weeks in the PL, if given the stadium to do so, including Barnet and Bromley. As that is the nature of English football these days.
Which means I do agree with you, there is great potential. But in the Championship you have a fair few clubs that average 25-40,000 on a regular basis. So until that happens, you need owners that step up.
Bromley and Barnet, come on, that's taking it a bit too far.
I honestly don’t think it is.
Plonk Bromley in the Premier League and give them a 40,000 stadium and they will sell it out most weeks. That is where English football is at these days. In fact, the very fact they have no league history & therefore rivarlary baggage, means they’d sell it out even easier. Lots of football tourists would go, local ones & foreign ones.
Charlton has lots of potential. But so does any club playing inside the M25 in this modern era. Difference is, Charlton at least has a much better foundation already in place than Bromley. But that doesn’t diminish the point that if a eccentric billionaire built a 40,000 capacity stadium at Earls Court, founded a club called Earls Court Rovers and bribed the PL for a place in PL ala Arsenal style in 1919, then they could get crowds of 30-40,000 depending on fixture. It wouldn’t be the most partisan ground in the country, but it would be full.
There’s an ‘if’ doing quite a lot of heavy lifting in that post.
Not really.
Because the point is, there are easily enough foreign vistitors and floating football fans living in and around London to make an American style franchise football club a reality these days. Most PL clubs are reducing season ticket holders so that they can cash in on football tourists (UK & foreign based ones).
I am not literally talking about Bromley or even Earls Court Rovers (😂) specifically. I am making a point about modern football crowds.
I'll talk about Bromley, you brought them up. Unless you are taking the p*** now you're very wrong. I can go back to the mid 90's and they were getting less than 500. I'll not make any further comment, I have bitten.
I think you’ve missed my point. Perhaps that is my fault.
I am not talking any clubs. I am talking about supply & demand. A simpler way of looking at it is… Wembley stadium acquire a franchise for a spot in the PL. To watch Wembley FC in the PL all you do is turn up or buy online a ticket anywhere in the stadium. There is no segregation. No season tickets. The prices range from £25 to £100. Every match would attract 30,000 plus. Big games v Liverpool etc 80,000 plus.
NB: I am not talking about how many Bromley or Barnet would take to a Wembley final either!! My point on that, is every senior, medium sized London side could take 40,000+ to a Wembley final imo. Which tbf has been proved time and again.
I can’t believe how shoddy this ticketing process is . This isn’t the first time one team will have 30k ish and the other team can potentially sell 50k ish . Surely there’s a process they go through and as one team nears the last 5k of tickets they have(time dependent as in how near to kick off they get to these numbers) they then request more , if available , they then get released and the whole process should be reasonably smooth and it keeps the tickets available and stops panic/attempting to buy in the other end . segregation will be in place in each tier and it’s just a process of see where sales of seats are late on and after Saturdays Match move the barriers/netting/door closures etc along to accommodate the next fixture it’s not rocket science , are there just fuckwits everywhere in this world or am I missing something that’s making this whole process so difficult/farcical. Also with print at home/show on phone , why have they not gone out immediately, it’s not like those tickets where the QR code or whatever the fuck it is keeps changing . Bang the fuckers out with the email confirmation because they will surely have been allocated a seat and make the whole process less stressful for Joe Public .
Its a bit more complicated than just releasing tickets though. Logistics, policing, safety all have to play into it and then the politics of the two clubs. Ultimately, Orient benefit if we buy unused seats as the revenue is split between EFL & Clubs as a %. My only fear is that they leave the extra tickets too late into the week and we don't sell them all as people have made other plans.
I understand it's a wembley game & appreciate not everyone in attendance will be a 'proper 'fan, but the volume of tickets & the speed in which they've sold shows the fan base is still there & the potential for the club is still huge.
I think there's a real feel good factor around the club at the moment & the future looks bright, regardless of Sunday's result!!
I think most medium sized London football clubs could sell 40,000 tickets for a one off, promotion decider at Wembley tbf.
Same as I think every London based club could get 35-40,000 most weeks in the PL, if given the stadium to do so, including Barnet and Bromley. As that is the nature of English football these days.
Which means I do agree with you, there is great potential. But in the Championship you have a fair few clubs that average 25-40,000 on a regular basis. So until that happens, you need owners that step up.
Bromley and Barnet, come on, that's taking it a bit too far.
I honestly don’t think it is.
Plonk Bromley in the Premier League and give them a 40,000 stadium and they will sell it out most weeks. That is where English football is at these days. In fact, the very fact they have no league history & therefore rivarlary baggage, means they’d sell it out even easier. Lots of football tourists would go, local ones & foreign ones.
Charlton has lots of potential. But so does any club playing inside the M25 in this modern era. Difference is, Charlton at least has a much better foundation already in place than Bromley. But that doesn’t diminish the point that if a eccentric billionaire built a 40,000 capacity stadium at Earls Court, founded a club called Earls Court Rovers and bribed the PL for a place in PL ala Arsenal style in 1919, then they could get crowds of 30-40,000 depending on fixture. It wouldn’t be the most partisan ground in the country, but it would be full.
There’s an ‘if’ doing quite a lot of heavy lifting in that post.
Not really.
Because the point is, there are easily enough foreign vistitors and floating football fans living in and around London to make an American style franchise football club a reality these days. Most PL clubs are reducing season ticket holders so that they can cash in on football tourists (UK & foreign based ones).
I am not literally talking about Bromley or even Earls Court Rovers (😂) specifically. I am making a point about modern football crowds.
I'll talk about Bromley, you brought them up. Unless you are taking the p*** now you're very wrong. I can go back to the mid 90's and they were getting less than 500. I'll not make any further comment, I have bitten.
I think you’ve missed my point. Perhaps that is my fault.
I am not talking any clubs. I am talking about supply & demand. A simpler way of looking at it is… Wembley stadium acquire a franchise for a spot in the PL. To watch Wembley FC in the PL all you do is turn up or buy online a ticket anywhere in the stadium. There is no segregation. No season tickets. The prices range from £25 to £100. Every match would attract 30,000 plus. Big games v Liverpool etc 80,000 plus.
NB: I am not talking about how many Bromley or Barnet would take to a Wembley final either!! My point on that, is every senior, medium sized London side could take 40,000+ to a Wembley final imo. Which tbf has been proved time and again.
All this hypothetical chit-chat is getting a bit boring now and really doesn't add anything to the thread.
The thing is Orient is selling into Friday afternoon which would only give Saturday to sell to us.
I know they say block by block but hopefully not big gaps between blocks that screws up segregation.
Also FA cup semi had blocks of empty seats as City couldn’t sell them and Forest wanted them but were denied !
This won't be because Wembley didn't want to sell them, it will have been because the block of unsold tickets was directly above another City section that they did sell, so it would've meant Forest and City fans having to enter the stadium using the same part of the ground/similar turnstiles, so the police likely said no because of segregation issues.
I can’t believe how shoddy this ticketing process is . This isn’t the first time one team will have 30k ish and the other team can potentially sell 50k ish . Surely there’s a process they go through and as one team nears the last 5k of tickets they have(time dependent as in how near to kick off they get to these numbers) they then request more , if available , they then get released and the whole process should be reasonably smooth and it keeps the tickets available and stops panic/attempting to buy in the other end . segregation will be in place in each tier and it’s just a process of see where sales of seats are late on and after Saturdays Match move the barriers/netting/door closures etc along to accommodate the next fixture it’s not rocket science , are there just fuckwits everywhere in this world or am I missing something that’s making this whole process so difficult/farcical. Also with print at home/show on phone , why have they not gone out immediately, it’s not like those tickets where the QR code or whatever the fuck it is keeps changing . Bang the fuckers out with the email confirmation because they will surely have been allocated a seat and make the whole process less stressful for Joe Public .
It’s a bit more complicated than just releasing tickets though. Logistics, policing, safety all have to play into it and then the politics of the two clubs. Ultimately, Orient benefit if we buy unused seats as the revenue is split between EFL & Clubs as a %. My only fear is that they leave the extra tickets too late into the week and we don't sell them all as people have made other plans.
The policing etc will surely have all been pre empted as in oh it’s play off final weekend 45k Charlton 30k Orient give or take a few thousand as I said above barriers etc moved and adjustable to as and where it’s segregated it shouldn’t be this shoddy
If they don't release more tickets (i do think they will) it is pretty mad to think we could end up with 40k Charlton + 20k Orient plus whatever corporate sell, so let's say a max of around 65-66k in a 90k stadium. Almost a third empty. Make it make sense.
Sadly cant make it this weekend, my wife has roped me in to going camping with the extended family (which is the price I have to pay for a night out watching the Spurs game tonight!) but my eldest daughter is going with her boyfriend, who's a massive Charlton fan, so the family tradition of attending Charlton play off finals continues.
I understand it's a wembley game & appreciate not everyone in attendance will be a 'proper 'fan, but the volume of tickets & the speed in which they've sold shows the fan base is still there & the potential for the club is still huge.
I think there's a real feel good factor around the club at the moment & the future looks bright, regardless of Sunday's result!!
I think most medium sized London football clubs could sell 40,000 tickets for a one off, promotion decider at Wembley tbf.
Same as I think every London based club could get 35-40,000 most weeks in the PL, if given the stadium to do so, including Barnet and Bromley. As that is the nature of English football these days.
Which means I do agree with you, there is great potential. But in the Championship you have a fair few clubs that average 25-40,000 on a regular basis. So until that happens, you need owners that step up.
Bromley and Barnet, come on, that's taking it a bit too far.
I honestly don’t think it is.
Plonk Bromley in the Premier League and give them a 40,000 stadium and they will sell it out most weeks. That is where English football is at these days. In fact, the very fact they have no league history & therefore rivarlary baggage, means they’d sell it out even easier. Lots of football tourists would go, local ones & foreign ones.
Charlton has lots of potential. But so does any club playing inside the M25 in this modern era. Difference is, Charlton at least has a much better foundation already in place than Bromley. But that doesn’t diminish the point that if a eccentric billionaire built a 40,000 capacity stadium at Earls Court, founded a club called Earls Court Rovers and bribed the PL for a place in PL ala Arsenal style in 1919, then they could get crowds of 30-40,000 depending on fixture. It wouldn’t be the most partisan ground in the country, but it would be full.
There’s an ‘if’ doing quite a lot of heavy lifting in that post.
Not really.
Because the point is, there are easily enough foreign vistitors and floating football fans living in and around London to make an American style franchise football club a reality these days. Most PL clubs are reducing season ticket holders so that they can cash in on football tourists (UK & foreign based ones).
I am not literally talking about Bromley or even Earls Court Rovers (😂) specifically. I am making a point about modern football crowds.
I'll talk about Bromley, you brought them up. Unless you are taking the p*** now you're very wrong. I can go back to the mid 90's and they were getting less than 500. I'll not make any further comment, I have bitten.
I think you’ve missed my point. Perhaps that is my fault.
I am not talking any clubs. I am talking about supply & demand. A simpler way of looking at it is… Wembley stadium acquire a franchise for a spot in the PL. To watch Wembley FC in the PL all you do is turn up or buy online a ticket anywhere in the stadium. There is no segregation. No season tickets. The prices range from £25 to £100. Every match would attract 30,000 plus. Big games v Liverpool etc 80,000 plus.
NB: I am not talking about how many Bromley or Barnet would take to a Wembley final either!! My point on that, is every senior, medium sized London side could take 40,000+ to a Wembley final imo. Which tbf has been proved time and again.
All this hypothetical chit-chat is getting a bit boring now and really doesn't add anything to the thread.
Sorry. You're right. To be fair to me, I only wanted to make the point once... but comprehension skills are an issue these days and I have had to try and clarify the point several times. However, a good friend (a barrister) once said that debating with idiots is only worthwhile if you are getting paid for it. I will now shut up.
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I saw a few last Thursday, Wearing their half and half scarfs
This isn’t the first time one team will have 30k ish and the other team can potentially sell 50k ish .
Surely there’s a process they go through and as one team nears the last 5k of tickets they have(time dependent as in how near to kick off they get to these numbers) they then request more , if available , they then get released and the whole process should be reasonably smooth and it keeps the tickets available and stops panic/attempting to buy in the other end .
segregation will be in place in each tier and it’s just a process of see where sales of seats are late on and after Saturdays Match move the barriers/netting/door closures etc along to accommodate the next fixture
it’s not rocket science , are there just fuckwits everywhere in this world or am I missing something that’s making this whole process so difficult/farcical.
Also with print at home/show on phone , why have they not gone out immediately, it’s not like those tickets where the QR code or whatever the fuck it is keeps changing .
Bang the fuckers out with the email confirmation because they will surely have been allocated a seat and make the whole process less stressful for Joe Public .
When can (Orient supporters) buy?
From 10am on Tuesday, 20 May: 24/25 Season Card Holders (6 tickets per SCH) and OneOrient Plus Members (3 tickets per member)
From 10am on Wednesday 21st May to 5pm Friday 23rd May: All fans on database before May 19th (6 tickets per person)
While annoying for their fans it makes sense if Wembley wants to potentially release some of their tickets to us and maximise sales.
Can’t remember what site.
it would make sense if they’re worried about them not selling out.
45k Charlton 30k Orient give or take a few thousand
as I said above barriers etc moved and adjustable to as and where it’s segregated
it shouldn’t be this shoddy
Here's hoping we're all celebrating this week!