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  • swordfish said:
    Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.

    Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything

    Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet. 
    Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew).
  • swordfish said:
    Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.

    Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything

    Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet. 
    Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew).
    But like Jones, he wasn’t a total outsider .  
  • edited May 26
    I thinks it's time for a lot of us (including me) who slagged him earlier in the season to apologise. I even saw something from a Southampton fan who said he realises it wasn't the managers fault.
  • edited May 26
    redbuttle said:
    I thinks it's time for a lot of us (including me) who slagged him earlier in the season to apologise. I even saw something from a Southampton fan who said he realises it wasn't the managers fault.
    A lot of people, if not all did exactly that months ago ! Considering what we had been through for nearly a decade, its obvious why fans were/had turned back in December and its weird that some still use it as a reason to have a pop at others. 

    We just now need to remember the previous 5 months if we have a rough start to Championship life next season.

    COYR.
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  • edited May 26
    swordfish said:
    Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.

    Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything

    Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet. 
    Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew).
    Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.

    Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with the club before joining as a manager. Hence where all of this Charlton people being in charge sentiment comes from.
  • edited May 26
    swordfish said:
    Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.

    Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything

    Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet. 
    Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew).
    Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.

    Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with us before joining as a manager.
    He was an in house promotion having been brought in as a coach. As Curtis Fleming would be were he to become manager.

    Personally I wouldn't say that counts as a prior connection, but that doesn't suit the narrative. 
  • edited May 26
    swordfish said:
    swordfish said:
    Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.

    Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything

    Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet. 
    Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew*).
    Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.

    Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with us before joining as a manager.
    He was an in house promotion being brought in as a coach. As Curtis Fleming would be were he to become manager.

    Personally I wouldn't say that counts as a prior connection, but that doesn't suit the narrative*
    I would, however that is the same as saying Chris Solly/Jason Pierce being PLPs (even though both have worn the shirt) are still Charlton people.


     *Also you have to consider Jackson was a player that turned Manager. A Charlton person that didn't quite work out in the dug out.

    For a whole club POV Karen Hills, although doing a good job, hasn’t won anything of note with our Women's side as of yet.
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  • swordfish said:
    swordfish said:
    Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.

    Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything

    Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet. 
    Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew*).
    Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.

    Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with us before joining as a manager.
    He was an in house promotion being brought in as a coach. As Curtis Fleming would be were he to become manager.

    Personally I wouldn't say that counts as a prior connection, but that doesn't suit the narrative*
    *Also you have to consider Jackson was a player that turned Manager. A Charlton person that didn't quite work out in the dug out.
    Jackson did work out in the dugout…
  • edited May 26
    swordfish said:
    swordfish said:
    Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.

    Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything

    Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet. 
    Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew*).
    Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.

    Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with us before joining as a manager.
    He was an in house promotion being brought in as a coach. As Curtis Fleming would be were he to become manager.

    Personally I wouldn't say that counts as a prior connection, but that doesn't suit the narrative*
    I would, however that is the same as saying Chris Solly/Jason Pierce being PLPs (even though both have worn the shirt) are still Charlton people.


     *Also you have to consider Jackson was a player that turned Manager. A Charlton person that didn't quite work out in the dug out.

    For a whole club POV Karen Hills, although doing a good job, hasn’t won anything of note with our Women's side as of yet.
    Look I'm happy to concede that in house elevations count, but I don't accept that, because we've only enjoyed success in the modern era under a manager with past Charlton connections, an outside manager couldn't. The right appointmemt could, but I'd prefer them to have that past connection.
  • edited May 26
    Interesting stats there. Man City in '99 is one that springs out aside from ours this year. Other clubs with large fanbases just shows 3rd tier is a trap for any club that finds itself in a bit of bother.
  • I remember posting on this thread in the aftermath of Crawley saying it didn’t matter if we sacked NJ as I didn’t trust Methven and Scott to appoint a worthy successor. We were told the owners got involved in the appointment of NJ and they must’ve backed him when results were bad. At the same time Methven was busy telling everyone he wasn’t involved in football matters even though he was CEO, which was such weak leadership. Methven is nothing more than a professional handbrake for any club and I’m glad he’s gone. You sense that NJ is now in complete control of what he needs to be and everyone is pulling in the same direction.
  • edited May 28
    Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.

    Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
    I don't think thats proof, more of a coincidence. 

  • Happy Birthday Gaffer!!
  • Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.

    Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything
    I don't think thats proof, more of a coincidence. 

    Also, Alan Pardew :P
  • edited May 28
    swordfish said:
    swordfish said:
    Also proof that a Charlton Manager needs to have a previous connection with the club if we want them to be successful.

    Let this put the bed the modern day myth that we can hire someone who has never had a connection with the club, before becoming Manager and thinking they can achieve anything

    Why no Lennie? Highly successful with us in my lifetime, and I'm not that old yet. 
    Because he didn’t play for us. The point being made is that we’ve only been successful post-Lennie with Charlton people in charge (ignoring Pardew*).
    Well Nathan Jones didn't 'play' for us as well, but understand where you are coming from.

    Lennie Lawrence (although an Charlton Athletic legend) didn't have a prior affliation with us before joining as a manager.
    He was an in house promotion being brought in as a coach. As Curtis Fleming would be were he to become manager.

    Personally I wouldn't say that counts as a prior connection, but that doesn't suit the narrative*
    *Also you have to consider Jackson was a player that turned Manager. A Charlton person that didn't quite work out in the dug out.
    Jackson did work out in the dugout…
    For AFC Wimbeldon (I always argue he would of done it for us if given time)
    AFC Wimbledon 1-0 Walsall Dons promoted to League One - BBC Sport
    Posted his photo out of respect.


    My point was he ended up getting sacked (for us) without winning anything.
    Hence wouldn't fit the narrative of this:

    Former Luton boss labels Charltons play-off win as his biggest success 
    (Can add the gaffer's picture now)
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